My guess is that Bijuu seals only work on some version of "chakra spirit" and that pure chakra storage seals are more or less impossible in the setting.
Interesting enough we can essentially confirm that there are "chakra spirits" in the world. That's essentially what The Five are. So it might be worthwhile to finally have a conversation with Yuno about what she knows.
 
This is a good idea, but if you could increase all your ninja's reserves by tattooing them with seals don't you think the Hidden Villages would already be doing it?
I thought about that too, you'd think Minato would've given lots of people Bijuu seals if so, but I also had the thought that it may not work with natural chakra regeneration, and sage mode/draining are both ridiculously rare. There may have legitimately never been a drainer and an s rank biosealer in the same place at the same time. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are really the only candidates (IE Minato could have given Jiraiya one). And uh, not sure if this is still true in MFD but making the bijuu seal killed him in canon, and I'm not sure how else he would've succeeded at Sealing the 9 tails but still died. Maybe he just had really grievous wounds or the 9 tails chakra was too corrosive or something?

I also wondered how the other villages sealed their bijuu since they don't seem to have any noteworthy Sealmasters. I'm assuming we just haven't heard about them, but I would assume you'd need to be near an S rank sealmaster to seal a Tailed Beast. Maybe not, if you had a crew make an array or something. Or maybe other villages don't use the same Sealing methods to contain them....

Mfw Yagura was a Wakahisa barrel filled with the 3 tails and with a person wrapped around it
 
I thought about that too, you'd think Minato would've given lots of people Bijuu seals if so, but I also had the thought that it may not work with natural chakra regeneration, and sage mode/draining are both ridiculously rare. There may have legitimately never been a drainer and an s rank biosealer in the same place at the same time. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are really the only candidates (IE Minato could have given Jiraiya one). And uh, not sure if this is still true in MFD but making the bijuu seal killed him in canon, and I'm not sure how else he would've succeeded at Sealing the 9 tails but still died. Maybe he just had really grievous wounds or the 9 tails chakra was too corrosive or something?

I also wondered how the other villages sealed their bijuu since they don't seem to have any noteworthy Sealmasters. I'm assuming we just haven't heard about them, but I would assume you'd need to be near an S rank sealmaster to seal a Tailed Beast. Maybe not, if you had a crew make an array or something. Or maybe other villages don't use the same Sealing methods to contain them....

Mfw Yagura was a Wakahisa barrel filled with the 3 tails and with a person wrapped around it

To be fair, we never actually informed ourselves on other notable ninja. We don't even know how many S-rankers currently exists in the world, nevermind notable Sealmasters. This said we can assume every Village has at least some Jonin Sealmasters.
 
reminder we might be able to get free goodies from spider if it will mean we can help them more on great seal

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can we summon dead dogs we have contracts with? maybe the contract can pull the m out of the afterlife
 
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I think it's time to start patching things up with Naruto. We will eventually need to talk to Kurama directly to find out if he knows anything useful about the great seal. Without Naruto's cooperation that's impossible. So I think we should have Ami arrange a meeting for us to start to work to smooth things over.
 
What do hedges have to do with this?


For the record, I have a writeup of Sage Mode burning a hole in my pocket. Can't wait for y'all to either learn it or see someone use it. Ditto for another major power up the nature of which I will not disclose but I note that it is within your grasp given appropriate effort

So we have we spent sufficient effort trying to figure out what the second one is? More importantly, have we road-mapped out the conversations to get us moving towards sage mode? Because blaming FOOM benefits on being a sage AND getting sage mode benefits sounds amazing. We know it exists, I think, so that should be enough to start conversations at least?

I pre-commit to any reasonably plan that has a sentence or two about investigating sage mode.

Incidentally, 3D sealcraft is my poor but best guess for the major power-up.


Noburi couldn't help but think about the last time the Gōketsu had traded with the Pangolin Clan and the geopolitical fallout thereof. Granted, he wasn't going to give them skytower seals. Probably not even seals at all. Metals, cloth (they had difficulty with weaving), maybe some exotic foods from the Human Path. What could go wrong?

Screaming in faflec as a function of meta-Kagome.
But really, if the Pangolin draw a hard line about trading, that just lose out of QoL and time-efficiency trades. Though I'm curious what Keiko had to trade for her summon assault allies.

Don't forget that XP is ultimately an abstraction though. If you have played basketball for 10,000 hours, having more hours in a day to keep practicing isn't nearly as useful as it is for a beginner. At some point, you WILL soft cap on your performance capabilities. You might occasionally find tips and tricks that give you slight edges occasionally, but your raw skill and ability doesn't go up forever. This isn't a literal RPG world, if you're at your best then getting a bunch of XP doesn't mean anything

This has been mostly talked through, but I think there's two big reasons why this kind of falls apart. One is breathe, and one is escalation.

So, let's say hypothetically up can't get a skill over 100. As long as there wasn't a total XP limit, you could still level up other skills. The versatility goes a long way. If you don't need to use more Chakra using your armor because your substitute is so good as well, you're just a bit better. Having Melee and thrown weapons instead of 1. Etc. This doesn't even get into a bunch of the soft stats. Being able to get a bunch of niche-useful skills to 60 eventually is super useful. Especially for projects that are locked without multiple high level pre-requisites. Imagine what we could do with TM 60, seal 80, and 5 different chakra natures? Total XP cap is the only big worry, and at that point we're presumably at LEAST as good as Hashirama or Hiruzen at their best. And have family in the same tier. That's enough to get things done.

The second is escalation. We want to fight Chakra golems. To be able to beat S-rankers. To beat S-rankers potentially without killing them. To make seals that push against the fabric of reality. To beat Mari in a social contest. There's a lot of goal that will challenge us. Kagome's XP total isn't high considering his age because he actively minimized his chance of risk and his chance of new experiences. Given how Hazou's life has been going the past couple years, I'm not terribly worried about that happening. If nothing else, as long as social combat gives XP, until our physical and social skills are high level we'll still have room to grow.


All this is the Watsonian explaination. Doylist, my guess is that as long as we make entertaining plans, the QMs still enjoy the story, and the player base is involved, we'll move forward. Policy is set by real humans, and either there's already a policy in place for when we hit a certain threshold, or there isn't. Either way, best we can do is just keep trying our best and act like we could be killed anytime, but plan for as if we're trying to become the new Sage of six Paths.
 
Heh. I was imagining what the Jiraiya reunion would be like, and I realized that there's a 90% chance Hazou punches Jiraiya across the face, saying "that was for dying." Then I could see Hazou throwing Jiraiya over his shoulder, declaring, "now you're going to marry my mom like you promised."

From the afterlife, straight to the altar. It's something that would fit well in an Icha Icha novel.
 
Heh. I was imagining what the Jiraiya reunion would be like, and I realized that there's a 90% chance Hazou punches Jiraiya across the face, saying "that was for dying." Then I could see Hazou throwing Jiraiya over his shoulder, declaring, "now you're going to marry my mom like you promised."

From the afterlife, straight to the altar. It's something that would fit well in an Icha Icha novel.

That would be Keiko, imho Hazou would just hug him and call him "Dad"....and now i want to read that chapter.
 
Given how Hazou's life has been going the past couple years, I'm not terribly worried about that happening. If nothing else, as long as social combat gives XP, until our physical and social skills are high level we'll still have room to grow.
Oh, I'm not concerned about HAZOU peaking, that was in regards to what happens when an existing S ranker gets FOOM. Many of them are pretty old already and are presumably seeing some deterioration in their skills like Jiraiya was. In Hazou's case yeah even if a skill does have a limit just due to the fact that it is impossible for him to be any better at it, there's plenty of other skills to work on before he gets too old. Now that I think about it though, Oro has probably altered his aging so maybe he ISN'T experiencing what Jiraiya was. OTOH like ROTP mentioned, since he's not challenging himself he may not have an XP income at all rn based on QM hints

Incidentally, 3D sealcraft is my poor but best guess for the major power-up.
I don't think this is going to be potent enough to be Sage-mode tier, personally. Even the benefits that I've speculated on just don't come close, so it'd need to provide a host of boons I'm not expecting, and I think that's true for most other members of the hivemind. Hard to say until we do it...

MY best guess is The Eight Gates. Lee is on good terms with both Hazou and Akane so it's "within our grasp given sufficient effort", it's very plausible EJ already had rules written up for use with Lee and BOTG, plus just being a canon thing it would be easier to make rules for, and on top of all that it's a power up that really does seem within striking distance (heh) of Sage Mode's power.

That would be Keiko, imho Hazou would just hug him and call him "Dad"....and now i want to read that chapter.
Be the change you want to see in the world :)
 
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Can Noburi summon Ma and/or Pa? Because if he could we could talk about Sage mode with them.
Hm. Maybe? It depends, really. Ma and Pa are weird in that neither of them are technically the Toad Clan's Boss Summon, but they're still immensely powerful and wise --possessing a certain amount of informal authority/leadership within the Toad Clan (a little like Mari within the Goketsu, now that I think about it).

Noburi doesn't have enough chakra to summon Gamabunta (even at our lower estimates for the chakra cost), and I could see it being that Ma and Pa have a roughly comparable chakra cost --again, they seem to be the Toad equivalent to S-rankers.

...either way, my vote is reserved for Necromancy, not Sage Mode (again, pending critical data on next update).
 
Can Noburi summon Ma and/or Pa? Because if he could we could talk about Sage mode with them.
My current plan is to spend a declaration that in Jiraiya's notes we found a mention of nature chakra being plentiful in the summon realm and how it is dangerous to humans. We then use that to send Noburi to begin to start talking to Ma & Pa about it and see If we can learn anything.
 
I just caught back up on the story. To the thread, just want to say congrats on finding a WMD that requires coordination and politics to use, rather than just going 'teach Naruto EM, have him flood the city' like my mind went to.

To the authors, thanks for writing. I appreciate it.
 
My current plan is to spend a declaration that in Jiraiya's notes we found a mention of nature chakra being plentiful in the summon realm and how it is dangerous to humans. We then use that to send Noburi to begin to start talking to Ma & Pa about it and see If we can learn anything.

We already know thanks to Enma, the problem is that, frankly put, i doubt Noburi has the social firepower to obtain anything from the Toads, considering how the whole "training/resolve jutsu" thing went, so i wanted a good old "hivemind social plan" to convince Ma and Pa Goketsu is worth investing in, maybe a "Hazou already figured everything out, leaving Ma and Pa pleasantly surprised".
 
We already know thanks to Enma, the problem is that, frankly put, i doubt Noburi has the social firepower to obtain anything from the Toads, considering how the whole "training/resolve jutsu" thing went, so i wanted a good old "hivemind social plan" to convince Ma and Pa Goketsu is worth investing in, maybe a "Hazou already figured everything out, leaving Ma and Pa pleasantly surprised".
Well we currently don't have a dog in toad territory but should have one on the way. @eaglejarl @Velorien when can we expect our diplomat to arrive?
 
Well we currently don't have a dog in toad territory but should have one on the way. @eaglejarl @Velorien when can we expect our diplomat to arrive?
I mean, we just voted in "find a dog willing to hang out at the embassy" in the most recent plan. Hazou probably hasn't done it yet and even if he already tried there's no guarantee he found a willing dog yet.

My proposal would be to send Cantilever and Cantelope so they can hang out between missions
 
I just caught back up on the story. To the thread, just want to say congrats on finding a WMD that requires coordination and politics to use, rather than just going 'teach Naruto EM, have him flood the city' like my mind went to.

To the authors, thanks for writing. I appreciate it.
Thank you, much gratitude. Also, nice to have you back. :>

Well we currently don't have a dog in toad territory but should have one on the way. @eaglejarl @Velorien when can we expect our diplomat to arrive?
You don't currently have one on the way. No one you talked to was even remotely willing to entertain the idea.

Consider that what you're asking goes like this:

You: Hey, Fred, would you mind giving me your phone number and then walking to Belize?
Fred: Um...what, person that I met two minutes ago? You know that I live in Boston, right?
You: Sure. Why?
Fred: It's hundreds or maybe thousands of miles -- not sure which since our maps are terrible. Also, I think there's a mountain range in the way.
You: Okay, and...?
Fred: I'm a redhead and Mexico is very hostile to redheads. They might kill me.
You: Okay, and...?
Fred: Uh-huh. And why exactly do you want me to do this?
You: So I can use you as a communication relay. When I want to talk to someone in Belize I'll call your phone and you find the person that I want to talk to and give them the phone.
Fred: Assume I was willing to do this. How long would I have to stay?
You: Indefinitely. Until it's convenient for me that you're not there anymore.
Fred: Man, why couldn't it have just be Jehovah's Witnesses knocking?


(NB: 'Boston' and 'Belize' are randomly chosen and not representative of the actual distances on the Seventh Path.)
 
You don't currently have one on the way. No one you talked to was even remotely willing to entertain the idea.
Ahhh and here I was thinking that since we were setting this up for the Summon Army that we would have the same incentives that every other summoner had and was able to convince someone to go. Will make sure and ask Asuma to help provide more resources to convince them to go.
 
Ahhh and here I was thinking that since we were setting this up for the Summon Army that we would have the same incentives that every other summoner had and was able to convince someone to go. Will make sure and ask Asuma to help provide more resources to convince them to go.

There are a bunch of Leopards in the way. Also Cannai doesn't like playing soft with the Pangolin.
 
You don't currently have one on the way. No one you talked to was even remotely willing to entertain the idea.

Consider that what you're asking goes like this:

You: Hey, Fred, would you mind giving me your phone number and then walking to Belize?
Fred: Um...what, person that I met two minutes ago? You know that I live in Boston, right?
You: Sure. Why?
Fred: It's hundreds or maybe thousands of miles -- not sure which since our maps are terrible. Also, I think there's a mountain range in the way.
You: Okay, and...?
Fred: I'm a redhead and Mexico is very hostile to redheads. They might kill me.
You: Okay, and...?
Fred: Uh-huh. And why exactly do you want me to do this?
You: So I can use you as a communication relay. When I want to talk to someone in Belize I'll call your phone and you find the person that I want to talk to and give them the phone.
Fred: Assume I was willing to do this. How long would I have to stay?
You: Indefinitely. Until it's convenient for me that you're not there anymore.
Fred: Man, why couldn't it have just be Jehovah's Witnesses knocking?


(NB: 'Boston' and 'Belize' are randomly chosen and not representative of the actual distances on the Seventh Path.)
[X] Give the Pangolins more Skytowers so they can conquer Leopard and Hyena
 
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