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That looks like it, yeah. Thanks!
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Keep in mind shadow clone is still a really strong combat jutsu. Picture keiko throwing stuff at you on a massive battle pangolin. Now picture two keikos throwing stuff at you from different directions on different combat pangolins. Sure, it'd burn like all of her reserves, but throwing stuff doesn't take chakra.
This is slightly less relevant for the princess of lunching akane, but still holds. A whole other version of you working in concert is really really strong, and the downside of dying in a single hit isn't the biggest deal ever, considering how low health totals are in general.
Tl;dr, I think even before we get massive bonus xp from shadow clones the jutsu is still a big net benefit.
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we need more scrolls
I was concerned that we would be getting Kagome to the 7th path too slowly (3 months + acquisition time) but we don't actually know how long the DRAGONWAR will take. If it lasts 6 months or a year or more, we should be getting him to the Great Seal, the sooner the better. Every time we need to place the HOWS (once a month) the Dragons get just a bit stronger from eating arachnids and hornets. If we don't place the HOWS, more Dragons will appear faster. Even with the HOWS there could be more on the way til the Great Seal gets fixed
I've seen some people say they don't want to split perspectives again, but I'm concerned about waiting around for Hazou to heal first because time's kinda the enemy here. That extra 2 months means 2 more placings of HOWS and could mean another Dragon to handle or something. So... what's the solution? Wait to heal? Split perspectives and send a team? Bring an injured Hazou and sequester him away? Send a team but maintain the focus on them entirely (so no perspective splitting)?
I was concerned that we would be getting Kagome to the 7th path too slowly (3 months + acquisition time) but we don't actually know how long the DRAGONWAR will take. If it lasts 6 months or a year or more, we should be getting him to the Great Seal, the sooner the better. Every time we need to place the HOWS (once a month) the Dragons get just a bit stronger from eating arachnids and hornets. If we don't place the HOWS, more Dragons will appear faster. Even with the HOWS there could be more on the way til the Great Seal gets fixed
I've seen some people say they don't want to split perspectives again, but I'm concerned about waiting around for Hazou to heal first because time's kinda the enemy here. That extra 2 months means 2 more placings of HOWS and could mean another Dragon to handle or something. So... what's the solution? Wait to heal? Split perspectives and send a team? Bring an injured Hazou and sequester him away? Send a team but maintain the focus on them entirely (so no perspective splitting)?
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Worse, every day we wait, we risk the Dragons deciding they're bored of waiting and going on a rampage, hunting down and exterminating entire Clans.
In fact, I don't understand why they aren't doing this already. If it takes three Bosses to kill one, a single dragon should be powerful enough to wipe out a Clan whole. So why are they just sitting there? Maybe they don't know how powerful they are compared to everything else, given that they were trapped for centuries and all? Or perhaps they're... stupid? Didn't yet eat whatever clan their intelligence got split into (Crows?)?
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It's also possible that the Dragon's aren't actually that strong yet since they were split apart into a bazillion Summons, and Kumokogo is relying on the established legend to estimate the Dragons' strength.
Do we know if the Arachnids found Archaeopteryx survivors?
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The only people who can train them are all pretty busy and I don't think we have the favour tokens to swing that.
Asuma said he'd train Kagome, IIRC - we can action that.
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Hazō Noburi and Keiko are all capable of training people.
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Who says they aren't? We haven't exactly heard much one way or the other, and communication between Clans is sparse enough that the Sharks or Cats or something could be being ravaged and we wouldn't know.
Heck, for all we know they're slaughtering the Arachinds. It would fit with the anxiety over the situation we've seen from Kumokogo if the dragons were actively eating her Clan and there's nothing she can do to stop it.
The pessimistic model of the situation should assume that the Dragons are already making their move and consuming clans and we just haven't heard it said in as many words yet.
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I'm really not convinced this is true. Tsunade trained Noburi to summon. She's not only one of the busiest people in Leaf, she's probably almost impossible to compel to do things that she doesn't want to do. 'Train this kid to ummon Toads when there are other people available' doesn't strike me as something she'd find a good use of her time.
Moreover, why did The Hokage train us to summon if Keiko were available and the quality of instruction was equivalent?
If the answer is 'the quality of instruction is not equivalent but it's probably still good enough' then I am wildly uncomfortable having Keiko, Hazo, or Noburi train anyone to summon lest their pupil be thrown into the void. If we asked Keiko to train Kagome - our most experienced summoner and the only other member of the clan who's been given permission to learn - I suspect she'd refuse to teach him ('I appreciate your dedication to ensuring that I am associated with every possible disaster, Hazo, but I must decline') Kagome would refuse to learn from her ('you want me to LEARN SUMMONING from someone who ISN'T QUALIFIED?') and they'd both be right.
Edit: the rules say this.
'Find a teacher' sounds more specific than 'convince another Summoner to teach you'.
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Kumokogo has already fought them, she did so when HOWS was applied and it kinda seemed like she was barely keeping up with one
Asuma said he wouldn't teach Kagome until we already had a scroll IIRC. And he didn't say anything about one of us teaching Kagome so I bet we do have to rely on someone like him or Tsunade.
Noumero
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Hm. I would have expected Kumokogo to have made it clear they're actively destroying the Arachnids, and I was under the impression she was aware of the locations of all escaped Dragon; i. e., they at least haven't crossed Arachnid borders.
Perhaps we should ask.
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Keiko was taught by someone who hadn't even learned summoning.
Luckily there is a way to to settle this by asking authorities.
@eaglejarl @Velorien can the Goketsu summoners teach other people summoning?
Crossposting idea from Discord to thread. Basic strategy, use a thin strand of spidersilk and a 5SB to slice a Dragon to pieces.
Dragons are very large. Something that heavy and moving quickly (like when they're flying) is very difficult to turn or stop. My plan is to lure the Dragon into flying into a thread of spidersilk that has been anchored using a 5SB in advance. If the Dragon is made of any earthly material that should slice it to bits. This still probably won't work, but it might.
Anybody read Worm? There's a section in Arc 19, where Skitter and Clockblocker pull this exact trick on Echidna. The basic idea (using carbon nanotubes usually) shows up in a bunch of other places including HPMOR and The Three-Body Problem.
We could try this along with the implosion seals, given that a few dozen Hornets have been trained to use seals.
Dragons are very large. Something that heavy and moving quickly (like when they're flying) is very difficult to turn or stop. My plan is to lure the Dragon into flying into a thread of spidersilk that has been anchored using a 5SB in advance. If the Dragon is made of any earthly material that should slice it to bits. This still probably won't work, but it might.
Anybody read Worm? There's a section in Arc 19, where Skitter and Clockblocker pull this exact trick on Echidna. The basic idea (using carbon nanotubes usually) shows up in a bunch of other places including HPMOR and The Three-Body Problem.
We could try this along with the implosion seals, given that a few dozen Hornets have been trained to use seals.
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Added it to my list of possible anti-Dragon measures, linked in my sig.
[] Protoplan The DRAGONWAR Continues
Word Count: <300
Figured I'd throw out a protoplan for the next voting cycle, feedback welcome.
Word Count: <300
- Timeframe: Through the replacement of the HOWS
- Hazou finishes his tunnel to the Great Seal according to this calculation
- Use MEW and 5SB supports, chakra and time allowing. Use Daybright Lanterns to illuminate the tunnel. Consult Leaf mining experts for optimal placement.
- Ideally there will be multiple disguised exits along the tunnel and a ring around the butte with many points of egress.
- Hazou trains a mixed force of Hornets and Arachnids to activate seals, including those who can train others.
- Have some of the Hornets chosen for the next distraction practice emplacing a 5SB'd line of spidersilk and luring a Dragon to fly through it. Try to get the line of silk as thin as Hornetly possible
- Obtain a few storage seals filled with molten iron and glass
- Run the next part by Kumokugo and implement reasonable suggestions.
- Emplace the HOWS, using the completed tunnel to approach. This time, bring a heavy combat team in reserve.
- Arm the distraction with seals
- Have Hornets w/o seals lure the Dragon through a line of silk, as practiced
- If there are multiple Dragons at the ambush site abort the following:
- Once the Dragon has encountered the silk, attack it with suicide runs of implosion seals, storage seals filled with molten iron and glass, and regular explosive seals.
- Target weak points, eyes, ears, snout, throat, etc.
- At this point, if the Dragon is disabled and severely wounded but not dead, move with the reserve and kill it. Use mite observers. Otherwise, wait until Hazou is finished emplacing the HOWS and retreat.
Figured I'd throw out a protoplan for the next voting cycle, feedback welcome.
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How far under 300 are you? I'd think a Dragonwar focus is smart but that there are a number of social issues (Mari wrt Ami and Keiko as well as the possible conclusion of Haru's punishment) on the boil which might or might not be wise to leave unattended for an undefined period of time. I'm cross-my-fingers hoping that HOWS have a lifetime of more than a week, so this could stretch for a month.
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Getting Neji near the butte but not within visual range (he can wear a blindfold) and telling her that he has chakra-sensing techniques which are not the same thing as visual sight, which the Sage clearly prohibited while intentionally leaving other senses like smell open because if the Great Seal started to stink you wouldn't expect everyone to destroy their olfactory nerves, and having him tell us what's going on sounds reasonable.
Hopefully this becomes feasible after the conclave, in which the clan bosses will (ideally) be convinced.
Oh, shit - is that Condor scout going to get their eyes plucked out by Kumokogo? I think the Arachnids credibly have air superiority.
Assorted questions for @Velorien and @eaglejarl :
Using the same loose modelling of 'you will not be able to afford new expensive projects for the next six months but won't starve to death' which was provided in the aftermath of the Bank Run, what is our current financial situation, and how would it change if we were able to secure a reasonable price for the bison on an ongoing basis?
Can we assume that Gaku and Keiko are diligently managing our finances and that we don't need to personally involve ourselves in efficiently extricating the clan from the high-interest loans we took?
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The spidersilk? Nothing, just like a skytower, it can be unsupported and fixed in place.
We got about 50, maybe 75-100 with word optimization.
HOWS have a lifetime of a month, 3 weeks of which we spent learning the Earthshaping jutsu
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Huh - I don't remember reading that, but it sounds about right. I'm comfortable not digging into Mari for a week, but a 'bring me up to speed' discussion with Akane about Haru seems reasonable, given that we need to be directly involved in that one.
Some work on manufacturing a scale model of the Great Seal might be wise, too, and can be largely offscreened as a non-delegatable project.
This is fine if we have the word count, my concern is the time investment. Hazou will have his hands full with tunneling and training his students. Time permitting, yes we should do this.
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I'm not convinced that 5SB is capable of this, given the range and placement requirements of the secondary seals.