Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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So I missed this the first time but dayum, that low-key burn:
The guy running around in green pyjamas yelling "YOUTH!" at people has the same social skills - and implied likeability - as the guy who boasts generation after generation of refined Hyuuga training.
It's a shame Hiashi isn't around to see this.
The guy running around in green pyjamas yelling "YOUTH!" at people has the same social skills - and implied likeability - as the guy who boasts generation after generation of refined Hyuuga training.
It's a shame Hiashi isn't around to see this.
zap lunch
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Cariyaga
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- United States
Because the QMs asked us not to probe that too closely.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
You don't ask someone like Ami this lest she decides it is a better idea to accident Hazou than have Keiko do it.
Ami is, for all she likes to play pretend to be a normal human when it is beneficial, not unlike Orochimaru in how she evaluates things. But unlike him, she also has political ambitions so she is also good at manipulation.
Either way, don't give Ami ideas.
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- The state of Paranoia
Personally, I think she has an aberrant personality manifold, like Hazō was said to have in the retconned Youthsuit incident. She can contact a set of eldritch beings, much like the hivemind, and much like the hivemind they have some amount of influence on her goals and methods.
Perhaps the only goal that is truly Ami's own is her desire to protect Keiko. It would certainly be interesting.
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- USA
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- He/Him
He can, yes. As to the supplies, it might or might not give you an Aspect (e.g. "High-Quality Equipment"), but it wouldn't give a straight-up bonus.
I love the fact that you're worried about what it would do to Keiko, not what it would do to Hazō. (i.e., kill him)
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
WE can just ask that Hazou's body be donated toI love the fact that you're worried about what it would do to Keiko, not what it would do to Hazō. (i.e., kill him)
Anyone got a quote or does anyone else also remember the QMs asking that?
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
My personal thoughts on Ami are as follows:
I suspect that she has some sort of MPD and that she swaps out or "wears" the personality to best suit the person she's interacting with. I vaguely recall Keiko saying that Ami's brief span of blunt, emotionless affect during Hazou's first "date" was her version of treating Hazou as an "equal" (a la Shikaku Nara). I suspect that it was her interaction with the Out that allowed her to bring those personalities under control, otherwise allowed for a vastly increased skill in utilizing them, or simply brought the mental disorder to light --whereas before, it might have simply been an underlying condition, not yet exposed. (note: I make this theory with the full acknowledgment that I know next to nothing about MPD and, therefore, am likely very wrong about it's expression)
When Ami speaks in multiple voices that are united in speech (a little like the Turians from Mass Effect), I think that it's a sign that those personalities are in agreement/utilized toward the same purpose. I suspect that it is this unity that allows her to delve so deeply into her bloodline, and that her REM is merely reflective of that. Hazou notes that Keiko's eyes don't move that way when she uses the Mori bloodline, and I believe that is simply because Ami can go farther than her little sister.
I think that it's either a sort of "I'll drag the world to a New Order in order to ensure the safety of my sister" or it's "I will sell my soul (but not my heart) to bring about a New World Order, but I refuse to drag my sister down with me. She is the line I will not cross."
Please, we all know that killing Hazou would only free his Changing mind from its fleshy cocoon, leaving him free to wander the Out; leaving him free to grow and Change. (this is a joke... mostly.)
Edit1: @roobee, I remember that happening. My guess is that it's simply not a viable part of the magic system for reasons that may (or may not) be disclosed at a later point in the story, or that it is and it's simply not in the direction that they want to take the story.
Edit2: Because I'm an idiot and his name is "Hazou," not "Hanzou."
I suspect that she has some sort of MPD and that she swaps out or "wears" the personality to best suit the person she's interacting with. I vaguely recall Keiko saying that Ami's brief span of blunt, emotionless affect during Hazou's first "date" was her version of treating Hazou as an "equal" (a la Shikaku Nara). I suspect that it was her interaction with the Out that allowed her to bring those personalities under control, otherwise allowed for a vastly increased skill in utilizing them, or simply brought the mental disorder to light --whereas before, it might have simply been an underlying condition, not yet exposed. (note: I make this theory with the full acknowledgment that I know next to nothing about MPD and, therefore, am likely very wrong about it's expression)
When Ami speaks in multiple voices that are united in speech (a little like the Turians from Mass Effect), I think that it's a sign that those personalities are in agreement/utilized toward the same purpose. I suspect that it is this unity that allows her to delve so deeply into her bloodline, and that her REM is merely reflective of that. Hazou notes that Keiko's eyes don't move that way when she uses the Mori bloodline, and I believe that is simply because Ami can go farther than her little sister.
I think that it's either a sort of "I'll drag the world to a New Order in order to ensure the safety of my sister" or it's "I will sell my soul (but not my heart) to bring about a New World Order, but I refuse to drag my sister down with me. She is the line I will not cross."
Please, we all know that killing Hazou would only free his Changing mind from its fleshy cocoon, leaving him free to wander the Out; leaving him free to grow and Change. (this is a joke... mostly.)
Also, random thought on the metaphysics/cosmology of this world. Are gods a thing? I mean, the Higher Beings of the Out are a thing, but what about Jashin? The Shinigami? Or the ever-vague Gelel Stone? Are these things just beings that are Greater than humanity but Lesser than the denizens of the Out? Or are they something completely different? Do they exist at all?
I mean, we know Naruto's an orphan and that he has the Kyuubi sealed inside of him, but we don't know how his parents died or what seal was used... so for all we know, the Shinigami might have not been involved in the sealing process at all.
I mean, we know Naruto's an orphan and that he has the Kyuubi sealed inside of him, but we don't know how his parents died or what seal was used... so for all we know, the Shinigami might have not been involved in the sealing process at all.
Edit1: @roobee, I remember that happening. My guess is that it's simply not a viable part of the magic system for reasons that may (or may not) be disclosed at a later point in the story, or that it is and it's simply not in the direction that they want to take the story.
Edit2: Because I'm an idiot and his name is "Hazou," not "Hanzou."
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Nobody voted for my plan. That's fine.
Added asking Keiko for permission.
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- United States
Hanzou was killed by Nagato and co long ago, or at least he was in canon.
It's Hazou who's the chrysalis of an Out entity wearing a human guise
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Ah, but don't forget Kurosawa Hanzō and Surokawa Hanzō, they count too!Hanzou was killed by Nagato and co long ago, or at least he was in canon.
It's Hazou who's the chrysalis of an Out entity wearing a human guise
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Hanzou was killed by Nagato and co long ago, or at least he was in canon.
It's Hazou who's the chrysalis of an Out entity wearing a human guise
(*repeatedly slams head into desk*)
Damn it, sorry. I spent all that time editing for grammar and clarity but I didn't even catch that. Thanks!
Also, there's still the option that Hazou's made a... "friend" with an Outer entity. I mean, he was rescued from a sealing failure that one time. And (to me, anyway), destroying half of the Leaf's leadership --and trashing a chunk of the village in the process --seems like the kind of thing that an alien, eldritch being would do to help its shortlived, fleshy mortal friend. "Hm, these mayflies are causing trouble and some of these 'friends' seem remarkably flaky. Best to put them down now, before they somehow make my mayfly's life even shorter!"
And, for all we know, the being that helped him with the Rift Incident also saw Hazou in the Out during the Summoning Scroll Incident. And, I don't know about you, but that kinda seems like "Aw, this friendly little stray cat keeps showing up at my front porch! Welp, it's mine now."
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- Liverpool
(X) Some Combination Combination: The 5 characters with the most number of suggestions on other options
(So, like, Akane gets 3 for uplift, combat and GIS. Lee gets 2 for Combat and Firebird. Etc)
(So, like, Akane gets 3 for uplift, combat and GIS. Lee gets 2 for Combat and Firebird. Etc)
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Have we considered that Keiko simply means that Ami is just really in-tune with the Mori Voice? It would make sense - from her perspective, what Hazou needs is mental tools to combat the influence of the Out on his mind. And so, she refers him to the person she knows to be very proficient at dealing with alien Out-entities. It doesn't need to be more than that, I think.
That doesn't completely fit with Keiko's perception of herself betraying Ami's trust. At most, she'd be revealing an important clan secret, which is a big deal, but not the kind of personal betrayal she seems to see her action as. So, there might be something to it, Ami harboring some secret beyond even the Mori Clan's understanding. But then, if she were, would Keiko know about it? And if Keiko knows, doesn't that mean the secret isn't quite so terrible? Remember, Ami has no qualms about deceiving her little sister, if she feels she needs to.
Remember, Keiko's view of Ami is about the furthest possible from objective. It's very possible much of this is drama she invented wholesale. Not that Ami isn't likely to be an excellent source of Forbidden Lore, but that doesn't need to mean anything more than her being very good at dealing with the Mori Voice.
Incidentally, I've always taken Ami's "multiple personalities" as an act designed to keep people off balance. You'll note that she does not try any of her theatrics around people actually capable of hurting her. Don't read into it too much, I'd say. I do think she's more than a little mentally disordered, and her erratic behaviour can show glimpses of her true self, but it's all buried under a mountain of intentional obfuscation. Anything she would've showed Hazou on their "first date" can summarily be considered to be distractions, I think.
That doesn't completely fit with Keiko's perception of herself betraying Ami's trust. At most, she'd be revealing an important clan secret, which is a big deal, but not the kind of personal betrayal she seems to see her action as. So, there might be something to it, Ami harboring some secret beyond even the Mori Clan's understanding. But then, if she were, would Keiko know about it? And if Keiko knows, doesn't that mean the secret isn't quite so terrible? Remember, Ami has no qualms about deceiving her little sister, if she feels she needs to.
Remember, Keiko's view of Ami is about the furthest possible from objective. It's very possible much of this is drama she invented wholesale. Not that Ami isn't likely to be an excellent source of Forbidden Lore, but that doesn't need to mean anything more than her being very good at dealing with the Mori Voice.
Incidentally, I've always taken Ami's "multiple personalities" as an act designed to keep people off balance. You'll note that she does not try any of her theatrics around people actually capable of hurting her. Don't read into it too much, I'd say. I do think she's more than a little mentally disordered, and her erratic behaviour can show glimpses of her true self, but it's all buried under a mountain of intentional obfuscation. Anything she would've showed Hazou on their "first date" can summarily be considered to be distractions, I think.
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Noumero
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So, I'm not terribly satisfied with the Ami section.
First, I think Hazou could benefit from knowing what the Frozen Skein actually is, prior to the meeting, and Keiko gave us just enough hints. Could you include the following at the beginning?
- Thoughts:
- Keiko's being evasive about her bloodline. It's her right, but you can't help being curious...
- She'd said it has "a purpose". She'd also said that interfacing with otherworldly entities requires extensive preparations, and indeed seemed very knowledgeable on this subject. Maybe she was talking about Summoning, but with this last revelation...
- Could the Frozen Skein be providing the means to contact an entity from Out, which handles data-analysis?
- If yes, do the other five cognition clans (the Nara...) work the same way? They all have similar thematic drawbacks, and if they're all designed...
- Additionally, Keiko implied Ami may have unique insight. Aside from the FS speculation, any similarities between your personal peculiarities?
- She made a point of implying that all of her masks are real. She also spoke as a chorus that one time.
- That's somewhat reminiscent of that time you merged with your alternate-timeline selves...
- Keiko's being evasive about her bloodline. It's her right, but you can't help being curious...
Second, the actual encounter.
I don't think the attempt to mislead is going to fly. If you don't want to tell how exactly it happened, just have Hazou refer to a "sealing-related development".
That said, I don't think there's any harm in mentioning that it happened during an attempt to study the Scroll — if she doesn't already know the Iron Nerve does something special with seals, she'll just parse as a sealmaster thing, not a Kurosawa thing — but there aren't any real benefits either.
Here's a fully rewritten plan.
- Sanity-check with Mari beforehand.
- Thoughts:
- Keiko's being evasive about her bloodline. It's her right, but you can't help being curious...
- She'd said it has "a purpose". She'd also said that interfacing with otherworldly entities requires extensive preparations, and indeed seemed very knowledgeable on this subject. Maybe she was talking about Summoning, but with this last revelation...
- Could the Frozen Skein be providing the means to contact an entity from Out, which handles data-analysis?
- If yes, do the other five cognition clans (the Nara...) work the same way? They all have similar thematic drawbacks, and if they're all designed...
- Additionally, Keiko implied Ami may have unique insight. Aside from the FS speculation, any similarities between your personal peculiarities?
- She made a point of implying that all of her masks are real. She also spoke as a chorus that one time.
- That's somewhat reminiscent of that time you merged with your alternate-timeline selves...
- Keiko's being evasive about her bloodline. It's her right, but you can't help being curious...
- Meet with Ami at her convenience. (Secure location: anti-Hyuuga seals, no Rock ninja around.)
- Guidelines:
- Confirm with Keiko whether you should reveal she directed us to Ami.
- Don't reveal the IN clan secret. Don't mention the Scroll without a good reason either.
- If Ami, too, seems evasive about the FS, mention your speculations to speed up the discussion.
- Clarify that Keiko didn't tell us that deliberately.
- Exchange pleasantries/updates on plots.
- Main topic: Due to a sealing-related development, you've directly seen the truth behind the illusion of reality. A connection, to which Keiko referred as "calling up the universe", has remained. It produced some interesting effects. Any tips?
- Guidelines:
- Other projects:
- Keep supporting the refugee camp.
- Investigate Jiraiya's Leaf safehouses with Akane/Kagome. Consider visiting near-Leaf stashes too.
- Prepare seals for the MC businesses.
- Is Agent Snake alive? Invite her for dinner, try cultivating her as a resource.
Actually, her interlude suggests that it was, in fact, the first time she deceived her:
Now, I'm sure there were a lot of times when Ami concealed something or gave Keiko a creative interpretation, but if Keiko thinks she knows a secret of Ami's, I don't think it's an outright lie.
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[X] Noumero
Noumero
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Rewritten version of @faflec's plan as per above, posted as a separate plan.
[x] Action Plan: OPSEC Breach Cascade
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[x] Action Plan: OPSEC Breach Cascade
Wordcount: 299
- Sanity-check with Mari beforehand.
- Thoughts:
- Keiko's being evasive about her bloodline. It's her right, but you can't help being curious...
- She'd said it has "a purpose". She'd also said that interfacing with otherworldly entities requires extensive preparations, and indeed seemed very knowledgeable on this subject. Maybe she was talking about Summoning, but with this last revelation...
- Could the Frozen Skein be providing the means to contact an entity from Out, which handles data-analysis?
- If yes, do the other five cognition clans (the Nara...) work the same way? They all have similar thematic drawbacks, and if they're all designed...
- Additionally, Keiko implied Ami may have unique insight. Aside from the FS speculation, any similarities between your personal peculiarities?
- She made a point of implying that all of her masks are real. She also spoke as a chorus that one time.
- That's somewhat reminiscent of that time you merged with your alternate-timeline selves...
- Keiko's being evasive about her bloodline. It's her right, but you can't help being curious...
- Meet with Ami at her convenience. (Secure location: anti-Hyuuga seals, no Rock ninja around.)
- Guidelines:
- Confirm with Keiko whether you should reveal she directed us to Ami.
- Don't reveal the IN clan secret. Don't mention the Scroll without a good reason either.
- If Ami, too, seems evasive about the FS, mention your speculations to speed up the discussion.
- Clarify that Keiko didn't tell us that deliberately.
- Exchange pleasantries/updates on plots.
- Main topic: Due to a sealing-related development, you've directly seen the truth behind the illusion of reality. A connection, to which Keiko referred as "calling up the universe", has remained. It produced some interesting effects. Any tips?
- Guidelines:
- Other projects:
- Keep supporting the refugee camp.
- Investigate Jiraiya's Leaf safehouses with Akane/Kagome. Consider visiting near-Leaf stashes too.
- Prepare seals for the MC businesses.
- Is Agent Snake alive? Invite her for dinner, try cultivating her as a resource.
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- Yes.
Done, modulo some edits of my own. Mostly clarity/reorganization, but it's mostly the same as what you put up.
Noumero
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- Yes.
Oh yeah, that reminds me.
What was the "last revelation" you mention here? Is it just the suggestion Ami might be able to help us with our sojourn into the Out?
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
[x] Action Plan: OPSEC Breach Cascade
[X] Action Plan: Voices of the Out
[X] Action Plan: Continuation
also this is super not serious so sure why not I mean there are very good, rational reasons for why Honoka would be selected to be one of the Universal Travellers that involves the fact that she would likely be one of the most consistent testers of the CHAOS suit as they evolved through KAOS and eventually into the GUTS suit, giving her experience with the suit that can compensate for her otherwise comparatively lackluster skills. Moreover, her...inexperience also means that her chakra footprint is lighter, and thus can allow the group as a whole slightly more error margin with regards to chakra drain and dimensional travel.
[X] Action Plan: Voices of the Out
[X] Action Plan: Continuation
the real reason for the timeskip was so that Hazou and the other ninja of his generation had time to catch up and get to elite-jonin/S-Rank already, so there's no real problem lol
Noumero
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Yes. You can reword it as something like "but if Ami knows about it too".