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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
I would be willing to do so IFF we do it the easy way (ask Mari, who got dossiers on the major clan head wives and has been socializing in Leaf for months) and we have the word count for it (which shouldn't be too hard, honestly).
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We don't need to talk to Mari to do this? How hard can it be to learn about people? I guess if nothing else, Mari will provide information for Hazo to digest while he fill in the gaps.
 
MMKII said:
Wait.

We got Shika-splained for nothing?

:mad:
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We should just be glad that Shika didn't do to us what Tom Sawyer did to Huck Finn.
Huck is trying to help Jim, a runaway slave. To Huck's surprise, Tom offers to help him, even though this endeavor is dangerous, illegal, and (according to what they've been taught) immoral.
Tom vetoes Huck's original plan, and comes up wih an absurdly complicated alternate plan.
After the boys invest a lot of time and effort in this plan, it eventually transpires that Jim's owner died two months ago and freed him in her will, and that Tom knew this all along.
 
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MMKII said:
Thats a very strong opinion. Would you mind going into detail on the why? Its not so helpful for @Noumero to make his action plan better if all he gets is "This section is super dumb and will never work."

Speaking frankly, if this was my plan I would just read this comment and then throw it out, since it doesn't give me anything tangible to work with.
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Good point.
Sorry @Noumero, here's an explanation : when Keiko canceled our deal with the Pangolins, it's incredibly unlikely that she phrased it in a way that implicated us. It's far more likely that she said that she had decided to stop the shipments, or something similar. Therefore I presume that we won't be able to go in now and attempt to rewrite their perception of the past to Keiko's benefit.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Good point.
Sorry @Noumero, here's an explanation : when Keiko canceled our deal with the Pangolins, it's incredibly unlikely that she phrased it in a way that implicated us. It's far more likely that she said that she had decided to stop the shipments, or something similar. Therefore I presume that we won't be able to go in now and attempt to rewrite their perception of the past to Keiko's benefit.
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This point was put in under the assumption that she hasn't ended the deal with the Pangolins yet. If she has, then yes that precludes this action to try and help her save face.
 
JulieK said:
We should just be glad that Shika didn't do to us what Tom Sawyer did to Huck Finn.
Huck is trying to help Jim, a runaway slave. To Huck's surprise, Tom offers to help him, even though this endeavor is dangerous, illegal, and (according to what they've been taught) immoral.
Tom vetoes Huck's original plan, and comes up wih an absurdly complicated alternate plan.
After the boys invest a lot of time and effort in this plan, it eventually transpires that Jim's owner died two months ago and freed him in her will, and that Tom knew this all along.
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I have henceforth taken to modelling Shikamaru and the rest of the Nara as @Jello_Raptor suggests, partially to keep myself from reacting negatively towards his unwillingness to use a more pleasant and/or agreeable tone in his Powerpoint Presentation no Jutsu bits.

Namely, he is well aware that he comes off as unpleasant when deluging us with a pile of facts and conclusions, but he trusts us to the extent that he knows that we know that thats sort of just how he is and that we wont react negatively to it since we are his friends, since it would impose him undue strain and exhaustion to try to flavor things in a more appetizing way. Likewise, that he is just being as real with us as possible and knows that we can pretty much keep up with whatever he's saying, for the most part.

(Whether or not he is actually correct whenever he does these remains to be seen. I'd like to think he's more correct than not, but he's certainly missing information w.r.t. Tsunade and Naruto in his most recent one. This should be taken into account when weighing its impact and its overall veracity.)
 
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@MMKII Except that Shikamaru specifically stated that CCnJ ended up being more tiresome than he expected. So if he had just trusted our intelligence and taken the most energy efficient way to communicate it would have looked different.
 
Rafin said:
@MMKII Except that Shikamaru specifically stated that CCnJ ended up being more tiresome than he expected. So if he had just trusted our intelligence and taken the most energy efficient way to communicate it would have looked different.
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He was going out of his way to show more work than usual there, its true. I spose he thought it was important enough to warrant.
 
What if we replaced MfD Hiashi with canon Hiashi?

"Who is this Uchiha kid?"
"That's the current clanhead of the Gokestu clan."
"Gokestu clan who?"
"Jiraiya's new clan."
*spittake*
"Jiraiya did what?"

"You can't do that!"
"Why not? We need a leader, and this Mari woman seemed alright to me and her clanhead seemed to have his head screwed on straight."

"I am sorry about your father, Neji. Can you forgive me? "
 
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Kiba said:
What if we replaced MfD Hiashi with canon Hiashi?

"Who is this Uchiha kid?"
"That's the current clanhead of the Gokestu clan."
"Gokestu clan who?"
"Jiraiya's new clan."
*spittake*
"Jiraiya did what?"

"You can't do that!"
"Why not? We need a leader, and this Mari woman seemed alright to me and her clanhead seemed to have his head screwed on straight."

"I am sorry about your father, Neji. Can you forgive me? "
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I wonder how he'd react to his wife?
 
You know how Hiashi has a twin named Hizashi that died when Neji was like five in canon?

What if Hizashi is actually still alive in MfD and is also the evil twin?

What if Hiashi was good all along and is being imprisoned in some Hyuuga basement right now? And what if Hizashi has taken over Hiashi's identity?

Everyone calling for Hiashi to die is going to feel so bad once that plot twist is revealed.

Or maybe they are both working together, one as Hiashi and the other as the world's sturdiest Shadow Clone.

 
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Tua said:
You know how Hiashi has a twin named Hizashi that died when Neji was like five?

What if Hizashi is still alive in MfD and is also the evil twin?

What if Hiashi is good all along and is living imprisoned in some Hyuuga basement right now? And that Hizashi took over Hiashi's identity?

Everyone calling for Hiashi to die is going to feel so bad once that plot twist is revealed.

Or maybe they are both working together, one as Hiashi and the other the world's sturdiest Shadow Clone.

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How in the hell do you people keep making these guesses? Jello predicted the Pangolins. Now you're guessing the Hiashi/Hizashi twist? Seriously, did you actually hack into the QM docs?
 
Long distance flight, an optimized procedure
Required materials:
  • Skywalkers
  • Impulse seals
  • Gliders
Of these three, only Skywalkers presently exist (talk about getting the hard part out of the way first). Impulse seals will have to be designed by Kagome because only he knows how to make directional explosions[1]​. Gliders can be designed by a civilian craftsman[2]​ and tested by skywalker-capable ninja who are safe from the consequences of a failed design.

The procedure:
  • Use skywalkers to climb high into the sky.
  • Run in the desired direction and take out your glider.
  • Deactivate skywalkers and activate impulse seals for extra velocity in the desired direction.
  • Angle impulse seals to maintain lift, or alternatively scrunch up legs, activate skywalkers, and leap upwards to regain altitude without losing speed.
While skywalkers are necessary to the functioning of this paradigm of travel, it uses them much less and therefore saves large quantities of this vital strategic resource. Furthermore, with impulse seals providing extra velocity it is plausible for a ninja to achieve speeds higher than they could ordinarily reach with skywalkers and sustain it over long distances. Therefore this paradigm is ideal for high-priority messengers and elite, highly mobile strike teams.

[1] While directional explosions have been the default assumption for how impulse seals are to be created, they are by no means the only one. One of the two notable alternatives is sandbag macerators, storage seals abusing the ability to create exit velocities to generate thrust ex nihilo for a contained system like the inside of a bag. The other notable alternative is omnidirectional explosive seals in a frame that allows the backwards force to be vented into the air, thus still resulting in a net forwards thrust on the person using the seal. Both of these options have potential upsides over directional explosion-based impulse seals, so we must not discount them in our considerations.

[2] Akane's dad sounds like a good first choice, and if he doesn't feel like that's in his area of expertise he could probably recommend someone to us.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Long distance flight, an optimized procedure
Required materials:
  • Skywalkers
  • Impulse seals
  • Gliders
Of these three, only Skywalkers presently exist (talk about getting the hard part out of the way first). Impulse seals will have to be designed by Kagome because only he knows how to make directional explosions[1]​. Gliders can be designed by a civilian craftsman[2]​ and tested by skywalker-capable ninja who are safe from the consequences of a failed design.

The procedure:
  • Use skywalkers to climb high into the sky.
  • Run in the desired direction and take out your glider.
  • Deactivate skywalkers and activate impulse seals for extra velocity in the desired direction.
  • Angle impulse seals to maintain lift, or alternatively scrunch up legs, activate skywalkers, and leap upwards to regain altitude without losing speed.
While skywalkers are necessary to the functioning of this paradigm of travel, it uses them much less and therefore saves large quantities of this vital strategic resource. Furthermore, with impulse seals providing extra velocity it is plausible for a ninja to achieve speeds higher than they could ordinarily reach with skywalkers and sustain it over long distances. Therefore this paradigm is ideal for high-priority messengers and elite, highly mobile strike teams.

[1] While directional explosions have been the default assumption for how impulse seals are to be created, they are by no means the only one. One of the two notable alternatives is sandbag macerators, storage seals abusing the ability to create exit velocities to generate thrust ex nihilo for a contained system like the inside of a bag. The other notable alternative is omnidirectional explosive seals in a frame that allows the backwards force to be vented into the air, thus still resulting in a net forwards thrust on the person using the seal. Both of these options have potential upsides over directional explosion-based impulse seals, so we must not discount them in our considerations.

[2] Akane's dad sounds like a good first choice, and if he doesn't feel like that's in his area of expertise he could probably recommend someone to us.
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I've already pointed out how we can achieve powered flight entirely with existing seals.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Gliders can be designed by a civilian craftsman[2]​ and tested by skywalker-capable ninja who are safe from the consequences of a failed design.
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Gliders got shifted out of the story a while ago. I don't know whether that means they are treated like Henge in that they are never coming back for meta reasons or whether it means the story wouldn't have made sense if Sand had flying ninjas from the start. The latter would indicate that bringing gliders back could work but these are all just guesses.

eaglejarl said:
Oh, yeah. We had another shift—henge is gone. No one remembers it, of course, anymore than they remember the anthrazi, or that watermelon used to be sour, or there was another color beyond red, or that Wind used to have gliders. Idiots. How do you forget that you used to be able to fly?! I mean, I still remember being able to become a chakra eagle—I should, I sure spent enough time practicing! That shifted out a long time ago, though. And sure, all of the gliders disappeared and every reference book that had mentioned them turned blank and all the glider makers and pilots thought that they were simply idiots who had never done anything with their lives and that's why they were destitute.
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Inferno Vulpix said:
Long distance flight, an optimized procedure
Required materials:
  • Skywalkers
  • Impulse seals
  • Gliders
Of these three, only Skywalkers presently exist (talk about getting the hard part out of the way first). Impulse seals will have to be designed by Kagome because only he knows how to make directional explosions[1]​. Gliders can be designed by a civilian craftsman[2]​ and tested by skywalker-capable ninja who are safe from the consequences of a failed design.
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I think it's a bit unspecified. Keep in mind that people tried to build flapping wings in the early history of flights. There's also no shortage of failure from very smart people.

We should at least specify the inspiration for designs. Perhaps, kites? We could also experiment with paper planes to get an understanding of aerodynamic. Paper planes are very cheap and we get to learn much faster until we're ready to build a life size glider design.

Do we want to keep the project a secret?
 
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I don't really care much for designing gliders ourselves. Scribble the rough design down after screwing around with stuff for an afternoon with a bunch of skywalkers, and then hand it off toa pile of craftsmen to design.
 
I know that I'm just screaming into the void and anybody who notices this will be immediately shifted into somebody who did not, but we already have all the parts we need for a glass elevator.
 
Tua said:
Gliders got shifted out of the story a while ago. I don't know whether that means they are treated like Henge in that they are never coming back for meta reasons or whether it means the story wouldn't have made sense if Sand had flying ninjas from the start. The latter would indicate that bringing gliders back could work but these are all just guesses.
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Yes.

To give you further reason never to think about this subject again, I will tell you that there is a filler movie (that's a tautology) where ninja from the Land of Sky bomb Leaf (in the literal explosive-dropping sense) using glider-type equipment. They also have flying machines with chakra laser weapons, kunai machine guns, and, as their ultimate weapon, a flying fortress capable of launching strategic-scale chakra attacks. Naruto and Sasuke destroy it from within through massive damage so the movie can have them cooperating for the greater good despite this being post-Shippūden.

I'm too traumatised to remember it all, so a lot of this is from the wiki and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Oh, one more thing. They also have a Zero-Tails.
 
Velorien said:
Yes.

To give you further reason never to think about this subject again, I will tell you that there is a filler movie (that's a tautology) where ninja from the Land of Sky bomb Leaf (in the literal explosive-dropping sense) using glider-type equipment. They also have flying machines with chakra laser weapons, kunai machine guns, and, as their ultimate weapon, a flying fortress capable of launching strategic-scale chakra attacks. Naruto and Sasuke destroy it from within through massive damage so the movie can have them cooperating for the greater good despite this being post-Shippūden.

I'm too traumatised to remember it all, so a lot of this is from the wiki and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Oh, one more thing. They also have a Zero-Tails.
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I'm hoping that this is all 100% canon in MFD, and everyone half-remembers that one time the Land of Sky ate its wheaties and decided to take on Leaf, and did alarmingly well - and then have no idea how it managed that, at all. Some kind of flight Kekkai Genkai, maybe?
 
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