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Kinda of two minds: on the one hand, yes, it would compress time, but on the other hand, I should probably rework the Ino segment anyway.
jashinfucker.
Yeah, I'll see what I can do.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
jashinfucker.
Yeah, I'll see what I can do.
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HIASHI: Yes, we do.
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- The Void
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But the back up plan was to just have a civilian walk it in the gates. This world makes no sense
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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I very strongly think Mari is more important to talk to than Ino.
Talking to Ino can wait, talking to Mari needs to happen ASAP if we want to help her mental health.
Talking to Ino can wait, talking to Mari needs to happen ASAP if we want to help her mental health.
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For the Questions Doc (please add because I don't know how):
Did our deal with the Uchiha to adopt some of their unskilled members buy us their vote? If not, what does it buy us, according to Mari?
Shikamaru probably knows most of it. It could be as easy as him signing off on it and having more clout and standing as an ISC clan head who is getting married to Ami's sister than an ex-Mist, ex-missing-nin upstart ever would.
On a related note, Shikamaru has proven that his CCnJ isn't worth much. CCnJ works only due to honesty and he was claiming to use it while also claiming it impossible for Ami to attend.
Nope. The wedding just happened. Timeskips continue to be a thing. Though this time we voted for Velorien to write what he wants (in this case the wedding) so we only have ourselves to blame.
Could you make a plan for it? I would vote for it.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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@huhYeahGoodPoint I would support doing this.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Seconded.
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The battle was Dec 30. My update started on Jan 4 and ended on Jan 5. There have been no uncompensated timeskips.
Edit: apparently the timeline doc is conflating the announcement day (4th) with the wedding day (5th). Will fix in the morning.
I see you two have run quests before.
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Oh look, things did not go perfectly and the players are pissy. Must be a day ending in 'Y'.
Okay, let's get through the stack...
No. The deal hasn't even been negotiated yet. That scene was just Mari getting Hazō's authorization to make the offer.
Freshly updated.
Okay, let's get through the stack...
@Velorien already responded to this, but I'll be more direct: Go fuck yourself. We spend way too much effort on this quest to put up with bullshit accusations of dishonesty.
Your passive aggressiveness makes an excellent lead-in to the announcement I came here to make: There is an incoming PSA that will cover what happened offscreen during the various hours that have been timeskipped. It's in review right now.
HDK
What did you have in mind?
That is not feasible and you know it. Put together a list of questions, we'll try to answer them either as an infopost or I'll put it in the chapter.
Yes, because your actions absolutely are the only thing that define the personality of the characters in the story who are not you.
(This was also asked by @Rafin)
No. The deal hasn't even been negotiated yet. That scene was just Mari getting Hazō's authorization to make the offer.
Spoon theory explained
Sadly, there aren't any. Yes, I know, @faflec helpfully linked yet another case where I fucked up and contradicted the worldbuilding. Whatever. There aren't any trained psychiatrists in 12th-century military dictator-land.
Timeline
Freshly updated.
The members of Uplift are the sum total of the clan. Where the line between protecting them vs protecting the abstract concept of 'a clan' lies is fuzzy.
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Yep. And in the CCnJ's supposed context of sacred honesty of all things.Wait.
We got Shika-splained for nothing?
Thirded.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Sorry I came of that way. I just wanted to get seal research done in the time that was off screened during this plan. I just really want to move forward on project
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What does this mean?Wait.
We got Shika-splained for nothing?
Evenstar
Triple Jump Unlocked
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... So what people are saying, if I'm reading this right, is that the way to fix Keiko being continually on the edge of a breakdown is to... continue ignoring her preferences, exactly as we have been for the last however many updates?
Meanwhile, people are calling our closest non-clan ally an asshole, voting for plans that amount to "fuck this I quit", and generally letting their emotions get away with them.
... Huh. Sounds Like Hazou.
Keiko is resolving her issues. All the latest shitshows have been directly because Keiko is resolving her issues.
She's sick and tired of being treated as a pawn in someone else's game, and therefore she's finally fucking asserting that her preferences have value. This is a good thing. This is a sign that her crap self-esteem is actually starting to improve.
Unfortunately, we've got a whole bunch of plans that happen to rely on Keiko shutting up and doing what she's told.
This Causes Problems.
I would assume we got Shika-splained for being so incompetent as to bring him a plan to invite Ami to Leaf using a hope and a prayer, in defiance of all established procedure, when she was already here and we were so clueless as to have exactly zero informants to tell us this. We didn't even have anybody watching the god damn gates.
We seriously need to get Jiraiya's local network back up and reporting to us.
Meanwhile, people are calling our closest non-clan ally an asshole, voting for plans that amount to "fuck this I quit", and generally letting their emotions get away with them.
... Huh. Sounds Like Hazou.
Keiko is resolving her issues. All the latest shitshows have been directly because Keiko is resolving her issues.
She's sick and tired of being treated as a pawn in someone else's game, and therefore she's finally fucking asserting that her preferences have value. This is a good thing. This is a sign that her crap self-esteem is actually starting to improve.
Unfortunately, we've got a whole bunch of plans that happen to rely on Keiko shutting up and doing what she's told.
This Causes Problems.
I would assume we got Shika-splained for being so incompetent as to bring him a plan to invite Ami to Leaf using a hope and a prayer, in defiance of all established procedure, when she was already here and we were so clueless as to have exactly zero informants to tell us this. We didn't even have anybody watching the god damn gates.
We seriously need to get Jiraiya's local network back up and reporting to us.
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Negging - Wikipedia
From my point of view Shikamaru is deliberately trying to convince us that we have less value. He also gaslighted us by concealing that Ami was already in leaf at the time we talked to him. Plus used CCnj to further downplay our capabilities. Generally he's acting super manipulative from my point of view
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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No it isn't, we are absolutely willing to harm the political entity that is the clan in order to benefit the members.
A simple example is the case where Hiashi gets the hat. We will happily peace the fuck out of leaf and let the clan be struck from the rolls to stay alive.
Hazou's authority is part of the structure of the clan, and might need to overruled in favor of the well being of it's members.
We want to avoid damage to the clan because it's a shield we need right now, but the clan isn't our end goal.
Another case is: making the Uchiha an effective branch of the Goketsu might be good for the stability and power of the clan, but it might mean that we introduce a power dynamic like that of the Hyuuga to the Minami and hurt people on both sides of that dynamic. (Yes committing genocide hurts less than being genocided, but it is still harmful.)
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MADSCIENTIST: FTFY
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I may by far not be the best judge of this particular issue, but I think you are being uncharitable towards Oneiros here. She was talking about huhYeahGoodPoint's currently voted on plan, not any plan responsible for the last chapter.
A play on mansplaining I wager. Shikamaru invested a disproportionate amount of time and energy to "lower himself to our level" and explain how wrong we are, even when a more concise way would have been enough. Turns out he mostly only did it to cover for Ami's already being there. He could also simply have privately informed Hazou that Ami is already coming, but that we should keep that as a surprise for Keiko.
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She, first of all.
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She is sorta resolving her issues of assertiveness, but it seems to come in jumps of "I'm going to make a unilateral decision without telling anyone and then leaving" instead of either staying after her declaration to create a new plan or at the very least mentioning her uncomfortableness with a plan before hand instead of just letting it build up until it explodes.
I am not trying to say she should sit down and shut up; quite the opposite actually.
But it is very clear that Hazou cannot help with these hurdles; he doesn't have the social acumen required. So it is best that she clear through these hurdles by herself at her own pace so that she is able to contribute without oscillating between "I need to shut up so I can be a useful tool" and "I can't do this cancel everything bye".
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Not yet. Maybe in the future though.HPMOR Ch61 said:
Thanks, that clears that up. Appreciate it.
In a sense, the only reason we were talking to Shikamaru was to figure out the Ami stuff. He gave us a big CCnJ thing (NB: Being a bit hyperbolic, I feel like the majority of non-casual interactions with Shikamaru can be described as him explaining to Hazou why he's being dumb.)
Alas! It was all for naught, as she was here all along.
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