Cariyaga
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Gotta stab fast
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[X] Let eaglejarl write whatever he wants (offer valid until October 31, 2018, 12 pm London time)
Emstar
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I've been plotting this over in the discord for the last couple weeks actually. I'm not sure what level of the discussion has made it over to the thread (although I think @Kiba has brought it up a few times).
I should get around to posting a fleshed out version of the idea, at some point.
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Introduce the idea of genin missions being "open and close storage seals for merchants," similar to the idea of "till-n-fill" as a category of mission. Low pay, but virtually no work. Also, provide storage seals for affordable prices, and advertise the food preservative nature of them. Find a member of the merchanc council who benefits from improved efficiency and less food spoilage, and get going with it that way. Individual families won't be able to afford the ninja missions to unseal storage seals in their homes, so the merchants will still make money. However, the costs of food will do down drastically, which will result in at least a somewhat reduction of food costs for civilians.
Clannless ninja also now have examples of how they can vastly improve their home-life via storage seals, and it'll eventually trickle down, but by keeping ninja opening and closing storage seals as "missions" it'll maintain the current status quo. Only problem will be installing a robust "chakra police" stopping kids like Kagome's student from opening and closing storage seals, since that's ninja work. So long as Jiraiya holds the hat, this is fine and doesn't actually need to be effective or murderous.
This should make costs go down for civilians, keep the current power structures, and be a good first step towards a seal-based economy. And we all know -- wide spread seal usage is just about the purest good imaginable for the MfD universe. I wholeheartedly approve of this plan.
Clannless ninja also now have examples of how they can vastly improve their home-life via storage seals, and it'll eventually trickle down, but by keeping ninja opening and closing storage seals as "missions" it'll maintain the current status quo. Only problem will be installing a robust "chakra police" stopping kids like Kagome's student from opening and closing storage seals, since that's ninja work. So long as Jiraiya holds the hat, this is fine and doesn't actually need to be effective or murderous.
This should make costs go down for civilians, keep the current power structures, and be a good first step towards a seal-based economy. And we all know -- wide spread seal usage is just about the purest good imaginable for the MfD universe. I wholeheartedly approve of this plan.
Cariyaga
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Keep in mind: Kagome suggested this. What does that tell you about how likely it is to result in Bad Things?
This turned out well @Noumero and @eaglejarl
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You understand that Velorien's writing the other half, most likely?
And that we're jinxed?
-which is why the GMs are going to let us go all-in on it before revealing that seals cause climate change...
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@eaglejarl Just want to say I love having updates of this style, makes for really good breathers between the hectic stuff.
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It has been getting a little hectic, yeah.
I was originally planning to show Honoka working through the math, but then Aoi interjected herself and things went in a different direction. Y'all seem to have figured it out, though.
NB: I went back and added a couple lines to the math shortly after publication but after several people had quoted it.
How would you make airtight boxes?
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- Snakesden
At which point we cast Geoengineering no Jutsu and create a mild nuclear winter by making really intense fires in the stratosphere. Everything @Radvic dreams of.
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- Huezil
Lacquer, or bee wax sealed boxes.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
How would that work regarding the Jiraiya > Hana stuff? That seems like a situation where our plan would have immediate and delicate consequences that we'd have to know about.
Also, in case the Shikamaru section gets delegated to being offscreen, can we get a summary of the results?
Emstar
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About that
♩=1
so
♮= ♫=2
so
2 + ♩♮ = 2+♮ = 4 = ♬
yet
1♮♮ + 1 = ♬
2♮ + ♩ = ♬
both imply ♬=2^2 + 1 =5
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Cariyaga
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@eaglejarl Has Hazou encountered any trade skill that Kagome doesn't know? I guess architecture.
He has a book on architecture.
Cariyaga
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Hazou does. I'm not asking about Hazou.
I thought that was Kagome's?
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Again with the assuming there's multiplication involved in all of this. ♮ literally gets swapped out for "+ 1", spaces and all.
1♮♮ + 1 = ♬ becomes 1[+ 1][+ 1] + 1 = ♬, becomes 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4 = ♬
2♮ + ♩ = ♬ becomes 2[+ 1] + 1 = ♬, becomes 2 + 1 + 1 = 4 = ♬
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Those were intended to be random symbols, but the music section of Unicode was the first convenient one that I found.
The sharp symbol stands for "+ 1" (ie "add 1"), not 2. Similarly, the flat symbol stands for "- 1" (subtract 1).
You say of the guy who would consider a mountaintop castle insufficiently fortified. We do know that he has an interest in civil engineering, though whether that's to facilitate barricades or demolition is a more open question.
Emstar
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twitches in mixing multiplicative and additive notation
Mmm. Well, you can do that just fine, but I suppose wasn't expecting that level of maturity.
Interesting. Kagome seems to be able to understand groups and/or group actions intuitively enough to be able to work through something approaching rudimentary examples in an elementary school students homework (incidentally this is what you are doing when you write 1♮♮ + 1= (1+1)♮ +1 = 1+1+1 +1 =4 and use these symbols and that notation to mean that in a meaningful/not silly way. Here you are just having (Z,+) or (R, +) act on itself by the group operation: literally add them up. Either that or you're representing an additive structure with multiplicative notation: sure but the folks sitting around you at the dinner table will look at you like you're speaking backwards)
E: And of course, this is just a long-winded way of me saying "Bah! I can very much appreciate what you're doing here, but I don't like the way its presented!"
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For the record, I went back and added those lines specifically in response to some of the original quote posts where the equation was misinterpreted, which made me realize that I had accidentally left an ambiguity.twitches in mixing multiplicative and additive notation
Mmm. Well, you can do that just fine, but I suppose wasn't expecting that level of maturity.
Interesting. Kagome seems to be able to understand groups and/or group actions intuitively enough to be able to work through something approaching rudimentary examples in a six year olds homework (incidentally this is what you are doing when you write 1♮♮ + 1= (1+1)♮ +1 = 1+1+1 +1 =4 and use these symbols and that notation to mean that in a meaningful/not silly way. Here you are just having (Z,+) or (R, +) act on itself by the group operation: literally add them up. Either that or you're representing an additive structure with multiplicative notation: sure but the folks sitting around you at the dinner table will look at you like you're speaking backwards)
EDIT: Also, as to representing additive operations with multiplicative notation, that wasn't the point. The point was to show that notation is merely a convention -- we choose '+' and '1' to have specific meanings and then compose them ad hoc when necessary, but there's no reason you couldn't specialize a symbol to mean that. It's like the '++' operation in C, or the add1 function in many Lisp dialects.
One of the things that bothers me about modern education, and that I've been trying to address in Honoka's lessons, is that concepts are very rigid. Things are taught in a specific way and in discrete chunks that make it hard to integrate knowledge. What Kagome is teaching is a really easy way to move from arithmetic directly into algebra; once you have the concept that numerals are just a conventional representation of a number then the rest is easy.
Note that I am fully aware that modern education teaches the way it does for valid reasons derived from the need to educate tens or hundreds of millions of kids per year.
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