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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MMKII said:
I'm not sure why you want to turn Keiko into a computer , but as long as we don't install windows and keep the Frozen Skein distro already there, I think I'm on board with this.
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- Massive processing power
- Great memory
- Lots of disk shuriken space
- Lack of independent initiative
- Perpetually on the verge of breaking down for poorly-understood reasons

I assume @Vecht wants to turn Keiko into a computer because of how little effort it would take.
 
Poor Mari. She was an abused child suddenly given the power to take revenge, and not old enough to have the experience to hold herself back from doing so. It's not surprising that she did what she did. Abused people can do awful things, murder of their abusers among them. It's only when people aren't wounded or coerced that they make the best ethical decisions. This is just how people work. If she'd done it to a random person for fun, then she'd be a Yagura-like monster. But she didn't.

And if even normal abuse victims can fall to that then surely a child that had been taught how to kill can't be blamed all that much. The adults in Mari's life systematically failed her, and she has ironically been the victim of a masterful manipulation in being led to believe this makes her irredeemable. If she were really irredeemable she wouldn't have cared about what Hana said. She would just think of people as tools and not be ashamed one wit.
Tua said:
Why does everyone but Hazou get to train with Kakashi?
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Kakashi is a nice guy but a terrible teacher. Let's count our blessings we're not having our time wasted.
 
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Oh, oh no. She's projecting. She has an entire thread of extradimensional manipulators puppeting her and thinks she's the only one. Only Kagome can fix this. Only Kagome can even perceive what's happening.

Oh no, is Kagome what happens to protagonists once the players are done with them?



Velorien said:
I may have dropped a few subtle hints throughout this quest that I enjoy writing Keiko. I'm not sure how she'd fare as PC, though. Keiko's psyche + Mori Voice + hivemind sounds like a recipe for this quest turning from adventure/politics into psychological horror.
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You say that like it would be a bad thing.



MMKII said:
I'm not sure why you want to turn Keiko into a computer , but as long as we don't install windows and keep the Frozen Skein distro already there, I think I'm on board with this.
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Either way, we're going to have to reinstall the networking protocols and figure out what the heck happened with the collision avoidance service. Might as well make her dual-bootable while we're at it.
 
Velorien said:
I thought he was negating your point. Hazō acknowledges the presence of those instincts, but he's horrified at them, even in himself, even pointed at an enemy. Mari has explicitly stated that she's not only cool with having them, but feels no remorse at applying them to her immediate family.
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And yet she didn't, to not-her-immediate-family. That is to say, Arikada. She did as much as she had to and no more, whereas Hazou reflected that he might not have. It is more complicated, you are correct.

For instance, Mari's use of Truth Lost in the Fog quite likely erased all her good memories of her former family and has caused her to retroactively justify her actions in such a way that she doesn't care about them.
 
Roomba said:
Yeah, I know, and my intent wasn't to condemn him or really compare what Mari did to the Sunset Racer. Rather, Hazou's reaction to the revelation wasn't focused on Mari torturing a helpless civilian to death, but rather on the fact that he was family. Hazou trying to process this, asks himself "Could I do that to my mother? No way, no matter what she did.". So his shock, I feel, isn't so much "Mari is evil!", but more "I don't understand her at all. Do I even know her?".

It doesn't come up a lot, but I think Hazou actually feels very strongly about familial bonds, and that's part of the reason he reacted the way he did.



Man, I actually want to see the hivemind take on the Mori voice. If that apathetic AI thinks it can outdo us in a contest of dispassionate optimization, it has another thing coming.
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If you think about it, we're a lot like a Mori voice that isn't restrained by apathy. (Which pretty much makes us the most dangerous thing ever, and now that I think of it Keiko might kill Hazou if she ever found out to save the world from an existential threat, even if we appear to be benevolent now she might decide she can't take the risk.)
 
Velorien said:
I thought he was negating your point. Hazō acknowledges the presence of those instincts, but he's horrified at them, even in himself, even pointed at an enemy. Mari has explicitly stated that she's not only cool with having them, but feels no remorse at applying them to her immediate family.
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Can I not quote passages of the text as requested without showing bias towards either side of the argument? :p
 
Say, what do you guys think about some small, heartfelt gesture of thanks to Jiraiya for the new mission type and how it's a concrete step toward uplift?
 
TaliesinSkye said:
If you think about it, we're a lot like a Mori voice that isn't restrained by apathy. (Which pretty much makes us the most dangerous thing ever, and now that I think of it Keiko might kill Hazou if she ever found out to save the world from an existential threat, even if we appear to be benevolent now she might decide she can't take the risk.)
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Given what the Mori Voice is, the implications are mind-boggling to say the least. You must make this a conversation topic during your first date with Ami.
 
Velorien said:
Given what the Mori Voice is, the implications are mind-boggling to say the least. You must make this a conversation topic during your first date with Ami.
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I wholeheartedly agree. If Ami kills us for being a threat to humanity she'll kill us in some way we'll never see coming and then we get to play as Ami, or she'll enthusiastically sign on with our team and then we'll get to play alongside Ami.
 
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firestorm440 said:
Well, once Keiko is already determined to kill us, how much worse could we make it?
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She could invent resurrection to make Hazou suffer for eternity and more importantly rub her achievement of defeating death in the hivemind's face because of how easy it was for her to do so.

But I suppose if you aren't constantly distracted with baking cookies or getting (near-)killboxed, anyone would have an easier time achieving their goals than Hazou.
 
[x] Make Keiko the PC

That'd make accessing Ami easier, too.
MMKII said:
WHAT THE FUCK!?

That breaks top 5 spooky things I've read in this quest. Wow. Holy shit.
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Velorien said:
"One is enough, thank you, and you are already overdue on providing the clan with a well-stocked library. Chakra chameleon, if you please, and a set of custom shuriken seals as used by Tenten."

"Sorry, didn't quite catch that."

"I said I wanted a"—Kei blinked—"chakra ostrich and a set of custom shuriken seals as used by Tenten."
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Emphasis mine. Nobody else seems to have noticed it.

Maybe it wasn't a shift, though. Maybe chakra chameleons are just able to detect whenever someone arrives at the idea of their existence, and then swap said idea with the idea of a different chakra beast. That's fine.
 
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Y'all thought of trying to guilt trip Hana into helping fix Mari? Either that or a yamanaka and some memory erasure would probably help.
 
Noumero said:
[x] Make Keiko the PC

That'd make accessing Ami easier, too.

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Emphasis mine. Nobody else seems to have noticed it.

Maybe it wasn't a shift, though. Maybe chakra chameleons are just able to detect whenever someone arrives at the idea of their existence, and then swap said idea with an idea of a different chakra beast. That's fine.
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-or, there was one in the room with them. We should have MTF Eta-10 do a walk-through, just in case.
 
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