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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oneiros said:
I just realized we've almost made it through the chunnin exam without once taking enough stress to break the pangolin training jutsu
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Didn't Hazou have it broken by lightning taijutsu guy?

OliWhail said:
Alternatively, we could figure out a way to get @Jello_Raptor's and my Sufficiently Applied Metaphysics quest rolling, or possibly do some hard sci-fi stuff (rational!Star Wars, anyone? :D)
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I want to do this so bad :>

OliWhail said:
Those are called undergrads
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Oh good no, the undergrads don't have strong incentive to get the paperwork right.
 
Vecht said:
Omake:
Observe, Contain, Repair​

Subject#: OCR-48617
Threat Class: Indra
Security Level: 4

Observation & Containment Requirements:
Following Incident#-■■■■■■■■-■ and shortly thereafter, Incident#-HENGE-05, OCR-48617 has been upgraded to threat class "Indra." In addition to observing all I5 protocols, OCR-48617 is to be monitored at all times by an SDU which includes, at minimum, one senior antimemetics researcher. The SDU on duty must be rotated at random intervals, spanning no less than three hours and no greater than twelve hours. In the event a Shift is detected, the SDU must immediatately notify HQ and report for reassignment.

All standard Exposure-related OCP protocols remain in effect.

Description:
OCR-48617 was initially brought to our attention after apprenticing under rogue agent ■■■■■■■■■■ (OCR-7975). OCR-7975's efforts have continued to confound all but the most cursory of observation attempts until it was arranged to separate the two under pretense of OCR-48617's chuunin candidacy examinations (see below).

Following Incident#-7589751 (see report {REDACTED} by CA-5332), OCR-48617 experienced unmitigated full Exposure for roughly fourteen seconds as a result of an infusion failure. CA-5332 performed an on-site examination for Exposure Contamination and concluded negative for Class C or greater effects. At the request of {REDACTED}, CA-5332 agreed to detain OCR-48617 for further examination and managed to arrange such to avoid triggering OCR-7975's suspicions. An attempt was made to fit OCR-48617 with a standard LU-9C45Z remote observation transponder, but the device was discovered and removed by OCR-7975, later threatening:

"IF YOU STINKING STINKERS EVEN SO MUCH AS THINK TO LUPCHANTZ MY APPRENTICE I WILL MAKE {REDACTED} LOOK LIKE {REDACTED}"​

Following CA-5332's recommendations, OCR-7975 has been allowed to personally observe OCR-48617 for signs of Progression, conditional on timely delivery of weekly reports.

Note: Following Incident#-■■-■■■■-■, protocol has been to avoid any and all direct contact with OCR-7975. OCR-7975, for all his paranoid delusions, remains among the most capable counter-■■■■■■■■■■■■ agents the organization has ever known... and is otherwise mostly harmless.​

Reports indicate that OCR-48617 was primarily responsible for Incident#-7852373, resulting in a Class-B Dimensional Breach. However, the dispatched BCU reported that Rift Protocol Three had already been satisfactorily enacted, allowing for swift and effortless containment and repair.

As part of an ongoing initiative to determine the cause of numerous unexplained Shifts relating to events, individuals, and locations around OCR-48617, OCR-48617 was fitted with a LU-9C45Z remote observation transponder during an opportune moment during the fourth event of the aforementioned chuunin candidacy examinations. Almost immediately thereafter, Incident#-■■■■■■■■-■ was recorded and archived. Further, the residual counter-possible dimensional signature matched that of Incident#-HENGE-05.

Additionally, the details of the circumstances surrounding the incident is consistent with several of the aforementioned unexplained Shifts. To wit: there appears to be a statistically anomolous preferential enumeration of Yadoian Inconsistencies in Murokawa Branches wherein OCR-48617 faces exceptional adversity.

As a result, OCR-48617 has been upgraded to threat class "Indra" with all due implications.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

Can haz threadmark?
 
Roomba said:
So, like, mass murder with the intent of killing the Force? Sounds good to me.
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I don't know why the Force has to take the rap for any of the bad things that happen in Star Wars. Sure the evil space wizard uses it to help put himself in power, but the socio-economic conditions that opened the path for tyranny are all down to the shittiness of sapient individuals. Cut the Force out of Star Wars and someone else would have made himself Emperor soon enough.

Star Wars isn't that hard to make work if you:

1. Deal with some issues of scale (mostly on the part of the armies and navies [1]).
2. Accept that it's a universe with different physical laws and structure so that crowded asteroid fields and how they fly in space make sense.

[1] I don't have much of a problem with the Jedi since an order of precognitives who can go exactly where they need to be for maximum effect is exactly how you effect a galaxy of trillions with a few thousand.
 
Briefvoice said:
I don't know why the Force has to take the rap for any of the bad things that happen in Star Wars. Sure the evil space wizard uses it to help put himself in power, but the socio-economic conditions that opened the path for tyranny are all down to the shittiness of sapient individuals. Cut the Force out of Star Wars and someone else would have made himself Emperor soon enough.

Star Wars isn't that hard to make work if you:

1. Deal with some issues of scale (mostly on the part of the armies and navies [1]).
2. Accept that it's a universe with different physical laws and structure so that crowded asteroid fields and how they fly in space make sense.

[1] I don't have much of a problem with the Jedi since an order of precognitives who can go exactly where they need to be for maximum effect is exactly how you effect a galaxy of trillions with a few thousand.
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One could argue that your last point shows the importance of the Emperor's abilities; without them, the Jedi likely would have been much more able to predict and counter him.
 
Erolki said:
One could argue that your last point shows the importance of the Emperor's abilities; without them, the Jedi likely would have been much more able to predict and counter him.
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Perhaps. Certainly it seems that before a Dark Side user came along to cloud their vision, the Jedi were able to prop up a decaying Republic for a long, long time. I regard that as pretty morally neutral- on the one hand, you could say that preventing the Republic from collapsing prevented needed reforms and allowed many evils to continue to flourish. On the other, 1000 years of peace is not a record to sneer at. You can justify a hell of a price for 1000 years of peace.
 
Briefvoice said:
I don't know why the Force has to take the rap for any of the bad things that happen in Star Wars. Sure the evil space wizard uses it to help put himself in power, but the socio-economic conditions that opened the path for tyranny are all down to the shittiness of sapient individuals. Cut the Force out of Star Wars and someone else would have made himself Emperor soon enough.

Star Wars isn't that hard to make work if you:

1. Deal with some issues of scale (mostly on the part of the armies and navies [1]).
2. Accept that it's a universe with different physical laws and structure so that crowded asteroid fields and how they fly in space make sense.

[1] I don't have much of a problem with the Jedi since an order of precognitives who can go exactly where they need to be for maximum effect is exactly how you effect a galaxy of trillions with a few thousand.
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Eh, the Force isn't that bad, relatively speaking. At least, as you say, the Jedi succeeded in making constructive use of it to promote political stability, which is more than you can say for chakra, or powers in most superhero settings. Removing chakra from the Elemental Nations would absolutely make things better in the long-term, and I will argue in favor of it if we ever get the chance. Alternatively, spreading the potential more evenly amongst people works as well.

I mostly want to try and kill the Force because it makes for such an edgy and dramatic motivation. It also sounds like munchkinning it would be a pain, so your average rational quest thread would have little reason to keep it around.
 
Roomba said:
Eh, the Force isn't that bad, relatively speaking. At least, as you say, the Jedi succeeded in making constructive use of it to promote political stability, which is more than you can say for chakra, or powers in most superhero settings. Removing chakra from the Elemental Nations would absolutely make things better in the long-term, and I will argue in favor of it if we ever get the chance. Alternatively, spreading the potential more evenly amongst people works as well.

I mostly want to try and kill the Force because it makes for such an edgy and dramatic motivation. It also sounds like munchkinning it would be a pain, so your average rational quest thread would have little reason to keep it around.
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I don't think you can meaningfully compare the force and chakra given the technological and sociological progress behind them both. The force is several thousand (million? I don't know Star Wars) into the space age. Chakra is the approximate equivalent of the edo period.
 
Oneiros said:
I think you misunderstand their goals. Radvic wants more suffering. People have to be alive to suffer. So only like 90% of people will die
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Uh, I wasn't talking about adopting Radvic's goals (though I personally think Radvic does want to build more nukes); I was talking about adopting Radvic's suggestions for transfinite bombs. Which would destroy everything. Ever.
 
Oneiros said:
That's a big risk of going full chakrapunk. We are giving Radvic the conditions they need to destroy civilization.
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Unfortunately, we can't do this with un-chakra-augmented technology. It'd take us multiple hundreds of years to get to modern tech level, even with the hivemind as a guiding hand, much less to post death.

No, we've gotta make it chakrapunk.
 
Oneiros said:
While removing Chakra does raise the floor of total well-being of the elemental nations it also drastically reduce the ceiling as well. Chakra makes it possible to create a post-scarcity society within 10 years
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Cariyaga said:
And end death within 20.
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Let's just say I'm very sceptical as to how possible this actually is in practice. In particular, the politics make it nearly impossible to do anything revolutionary without starting a series of awful, devastating wars. Getting the Elemental Nations to a state where all this beneficial technology we've thought up can actually be used without making a huge mess is one of the major challenges of this quest, in my view.
 
Roomba said:
Let's just say I'm very sceptical as to how possible this actually is in practice. In particular, the politics make it nearly impossible to do anything revolutionary without starting a series of awful, devastating wars. Getting the Elemental Nations to a state where all this beneficial technology we've thought up can actually be used without making a huge mess is one of the major challenges of this quest, in my view.
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Talk to Tsunade. She's got experience with spreading beneficial technology.
 
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