Some of which required high skill levels, like 5SB, but otherwise, yes, we can research all of those without killing ourselves.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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Some of which required high skill levels, like 5SB, but otherwise, yes, we can research all of those without killing ourselves.
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Citation needed
We already take lots of precautions. I think we have a writeup detailing them that I'm not going to dig up. I'm just suggesting adding yet another when researching a seal we suspect may be more difficult.
Well it can't. Obviously. But I would like to stress again that the only way to avoid these failures is to never do sealing research again. Because there's always going to be a chance that the seal was harder than we thought. Or we rolled the worst possible number on our fate die. Or a black swan decides to take a bite out of us. And whoops! sealing failure that we couldn't have prevented, except by not doing sealing!
Obviously, there's a risk of flying on airline and dying in an accident. There's risks in doing anything. But doing something we know that Hazō absolutely is not prepared from what we know of previous attempt in the past? We shouldn't do skywalker seals at Hazō's skill levels, period.
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With respect, there is an easy way to avoid those failures. Get a higher sealing level. We know that Hazou is incapable of making Skywalkers. Kagome has stated that he needs about three months of constant sealing training to be good enough to do so (which amounts to around Sealing 30).
The entire reason why we're having this discussion is because we don't know that at all. We know that the current TN is too high. But we can reduce TNs. And I'm suggesting that we do so. And then try again once we have, and see if it's within his skill-level afterwards.
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Which is why J doesn't have sealing failures, right? Look, I'm not saying that we shouldn't get a higher Sealing level. I'm saying that it isn't actually necessary for researching skywalkers when we can achieve exactly the same effect by decreasing the TN.
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And I disagree that we can decrease the effective-TN-level by 10 sealing points by researching casino seals.
It was back when we first researched skywalkers, I was doing comparative math that a Chuunin-equivalent sealmaster would be approximately 30, and a QM chimed in that Kagome thought it'd be about that long for Hazou to get good enough to research them, IIRC.
Alright. Now we're getting somewhere. Would you consider the project acceptable after 10 casino seal and/or air dome variants?
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I'm fairly certain that TN-reduction in that manner has diminishing returns, but if not (@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail), then absolutely.
e: Though, considering that the "difficult" part of Skywalkers seems to be the chakra adhesion activation method, I would consider Chakra Adhesion activatable seals like Party Tricks and Nara Tone Seals to be a better way of lowering TN, to get Hazou used to working with Chakra Adhesion Activation.
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You know, it seems like there really ought to be a way to better quantify seal difficulty, at least within some kind of range. I find it really hard to believe that someone can't look at a seal and get a rough idea of where it stands in comparison to their capability. Even if it's not detailed out-of-game, they do have an in-game logic and structure to them.
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That's what the whole "ask Kagome if Hazou's good enough to do seal he knows but Hazou doesn't" thing is
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IT's actually only a few posts down until we find that post I was talking about earlier. It was actually like 8 months to Jounin level sealing to be able to do skywalkers on Hazou's own.
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Pretty sure @OliWhail meant that's how long it would take to hit Jounin in sealing. It has nothing to do with skywalkers
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Sealing failures in the mechanical sense mean you rolled too low on an infusion roll (or rolled to infuse an improperly inked blank). This can certainly happen if you are trying to research a seal that's beyond your abilities.
Expect so, especially with respect to the gains from projects that are too similar.
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How could it? Kagome would scoff at the idea of "jounin-level sealing".
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The most paranoid seal made in the world says we can research skywalkers with his help. You instantly decide we need to acquire jounin levels of skills to do it safely ...
The most paranoid seal made in the world says we can research skywalkers with his help. You instantly decide we need to acquire jounin levels of skills to do it safely ...
"probably" or "yes" with qualification is not good enough.
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I actually think closer to 26-ish than Jounin levels to do it with assured safety. If Kagome thinks we could "probably" research it with his help at 20, then being about six levels higher should be sufficient to guarantee we manage it without a sealing failure with his help.The most paranoid seal made in the world says we can research skywalkers with his help. You instantly decide we need to acquire jounin levels of skills to do it safely ...
On another note: @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Is it possible for Hazou to explicitly aim for "Easy to create (in terms of not causing sealing failures) seals that use X mechanic from another seal" in order to lower TN on seals that use said mechanic?
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The level of risk adversion you display is frankly ridiculous. A probably from the most paranoid seal master in the world is pretty solid. If you are still freaking out then take precautions. Use a Kagome approved lab. Use all the sealing knowledge available in leaf to double check it. Have Jiraiya look over it. Have ANBU on stand by in case of failures. Go up a level on the time ladder.
The real argument of not researching skywalkers though is that they are super lowdown on our priority list. Since we never get to use them
So, uh, did anyone want to offer any comments/suggestions on my plan?
Well we won't be able to use them until they become public knowledge. Then Hazou being able to make his own will be a big advantage. They aren't going to stay classified forever.
Well we won't be able to use them until they become public knowledge. Then Hazou being able to make his own will be a big advantage. They aren't going to stay classified forever.