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I don't want to increase the workload on the QM more than we already have and I gathered the five seals is sufficient to last through an update.

Unless there's a burning reason to have your pet seal included, I am not adding it.

Well first we've had this seal for over 1000 pages. So I'm betting the QM have had some time to think about it. It gives all the benefits of the alarm seals in creating earbusters but can also create the flashbang as well. It gives us a chakra detector as well which could greatly increase awareness. It lets us remotely trigger seals with LBF allowing us to throw out seal over every inch of the battlefield. It eventually could give us long range communications

Sure some of these projects will take additional research but the total number of avenues it unlocks as well as being relatively easy to research means it should at least be considered.

Especially considering how it gets you the same benefits as alarm seals while not being a dead end.
 
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Well first we've had this seal for over 1000 pages. So I'm betting the QM have had some time to think about it. It gives all the benefits of the alarm seals in creating earbusters but can also create the flashbang as well. It gives us a chakra detector as well which could greatly increase awareness. It lets us remotely trigger seals with LBF allowing us to throw out seal over every inch of the battlefield. It eventually could give us long range communications

Sure some of these projects will take additional research but the total number of avenues it unlocks as well as being relatively easy to research means it should at least be considered.

Especially considering how it gets you the same benefits as alarm seals while not being a dead end.

Excuse me? All the benefit of earbuster seals? As far as I know, you can only temporarily blind a person but you can permanently bust their eardrums.

If you can get some other person to support your pet seal, I'll consider adding it.
 
Excuse me? All the benefit of earbuster seals? As far as I know, you can only temporarily blind a person but you can permanently bust their eardrums.

If you can get some other person to support your pet seal, I'll consider adding it.

Casino seals have a sound component so yes can do the same things as alarm seals to destroy eardrums
 
Casino seals have a sound component so yes can do the same things as alarm seals to destroy eardrums

Since when?

Also, I am closing down any new addition to the action plan other than to fix problems by 11 PM.

The only argument that I am willing to entertain is how easy the seal is to research, and I don't give a damn about how useful or potentially useful the casino seal will be to our future effort.

The seal still looked like to me one of the harder seal to research.
 
Since when?

Also, I am closing down any new addition to the action plan other than to fix problems by 11 PM.

The only argument that I am willing to entertain is how easy the seal is to research, and I don't give a damn about how useful or potentially useful the casino seal will be to our future effort.

The seal still looked like to me one of the harder seal to research.

Wow just wow.
 
We have at least an idea.

Re: the currently leading plan: what does the bullet point "learn about the challenge and reward" mean? Challenge and reward of what, specifically?

(Overall, I really like it :))

Rewards and challenges of being a merchant, just like every jobs having its pro and con.


If it helps, the sealing plan isn't about Hazō doing the most promising seal research in the most optimal order, it's about getting Hazō to churn through the least-effort seals and get some sealing progression in a chapter.

If you want original research, you'll have to wait the next chapter.
 
Clarify wording.

If people are ignoring HAI, I am going to aggregate all my plans into one.

[X] Action Plan: Forward Motion

Goal:

1. Research Seals.
2. Train.
2. Plan what to do.

Methods:

We're splitting the party to do several things.

Action Items:
  • Kagome-sensei and Hazō at Base: Sealing Research Plan.
    • Let Kagome-sensei finish the skywalker research. Once he's done, he should teach the seal to Hazō.
    • If Hazō finished his training and Kagome-sensei hadn't yet finish his skywalker research, do sealing research on Jiraiya reward seals given to him.
    • Have Kagome-sensei and Hazō go through the list together and rank each seal by the level of ease and discard anything that seemed even slightly too advanced for Hazō. Here is the list of seals ranked by the hivemind based on its perceived difficulty:
      1. Alarm seal. Jiraiya said it's very basic.
      2. Tunneler's Friend. Basically a slow version of the storage seal.
      3. Banshee Slayer.
      4. Silence Mine. Progression of the Banshee slayer.
      5. Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Purifier. Could potentially be a storage seal variant, but also complicated enough to differentiate air-like mixture and non-air like stuff.
      6. Goo bomb. Unlike any other seal.
  • Keiko in the Summon Realm: Pangolin Society Research(See Spoiler).
    • Keiko will talk to Pandaa or go to the summon realm to do research.
    • Keiko will also clear any questions she might have with Pandaa to avoid getting squashed or offending the Pangolins.
    • Questions:
      • Who is the Pantokrator?
      • Why is sealing prohibited in the Summon Realm, or is that just limited to the Pangolins?
      • Why did the Condor started the first Condor war?
      • Just what is the Academy?
      • What the Pangolins have against the Taipir?
      • A list of allied and enemy summoners and their associated clans.
  • Mari and Noburi in Yuni: Merchant Empire Research and Noburi Medical Training (See Spoiler).
  • Goal: We want to help Noburi finish his medical training safely.
  • Steps:
    • Let Noburi know that Hazo is supportive of his ambitions as a medic-nin and that we want to help him on that path.
    • Discuss potential issues, and how we might address them.
    • Suggest that we should be cautious.
  • Supporting Information; Potential Issues
    • Hashimoto might not want to teach Noburi
      • Ask Noburi what things Hashimoto might want (ryo, Macerators...) and offer to help with getting these things.
    • Hashimoto might reject Noburi completely no matter the rewards.
      • Ask for referal to another medic-nin that the team could learn from.
    • Hunter-nin might notice Noburi and/or his barrel.
      • Bring up Noburi disguising his barrel as a travel sack or appropriate covering.
      • Suggest Noburi obfuscate his movement through clever Henge use:
        • Noburi + Inoue go to Hashimoto's.
          • When Noburi leaves, Inoue creates a Water Clone Henge'd as Noburi.
          • Inoue & clone leave.
          • Repeat when Noburi leaves (at a set time?).
  • Mari will strike up conversations with merchants where she can find them.
    • Get some news about what happening in the world for the last several months.
    • Learn about how merchant caravans work.
    • Learn about the challenges and rewards of being a traveling merchant.
    • Learn about the various caravans, who run them, their routes, and how long it takes to complete their routes.
  • Criteria for trading partners:
    • Not too nosy.
    • Don't drink or gamble or engage in other vice.
    • Don't divulge important information easily.
    • Know how to make money.
    • Not a cheating scroundel.
  • Once a trading partner is found or however many, make sure to remember their schedule and their route so we can visit them later.
Misc (To be done offscreen/optional)
  1. Textbooks from Leaf (Hazō Study Plan)
Contingency:
  • Escape paths:
    • Have traps set up so we can escape to the southwest river or the eastern coast (depending on the situation). More if Kagome-/Inoue-sensei say so.
  • Jiraiya calls us in:
    • Figure out what country we're going to, then draft a evac route to get there.
    • Will probably involve water/coastal routes.
  • A wild ninjas appears:
    • Make as many observations about the situation and the potential enemy as is possible in a split second.
    • End the update.
  • Disguises with other people: Face-concealing masks, Henge over all this. All the time.
    • Of course if we're talking to stronger ninjas (Jiraiya) we don't do this if Inoue-sensei doesn't. Be polite.
  • Sealing testing:
    • Get Kagome's input on everything first.
    • Test seals with clones, plants, etc. to examine effects on them.
 
I'm having a hard time imaging an alarm seal doing a better job of busting eardrums than an explosive seal. There are definitely some niche uses for a siren, but any team with Kagome on it doesn't exactly have a problem making loud noises.
 
I'm having a hard time imaging an alarm seal doing a better job of busting eardrums than an explosive seal. There are definitely some niche uses for a siren, but any team with Kagome on it doesn't exactly have a problem making loud noises.

Can use earbusters freely with banshee slayers
 
I'm having a hard time imaging an alarm seal doing a better job of busting eardrums than an explosive seal. There are definitely some niche uses for a siren, but any team with Kagome on it doesn't exactly have a problem making loud noises.

I believe physic-wise, the earbuster seals is about focusing all its energy on creating extremely energetic pressure wave, while explosive seals are focused...on well...explosives.

I am probably wrong.
 
I believe physic-wise, the earbuster seals is about focusing all its energy on creating extremely energetic pressure wave, while explosive seals are focused...on well...explosives.

I am probably wrong.
Thing is, explosives are pressure waves, or pressure waves insofar as they make matter, sometimes air, move rapidly enough in sufficient quantities to impart large amounts of kinetic force to things around them. So you could argue from a physics standpoint that if we can rupture eardrums with earbuster seals, we could just as easily hack explosive seals to burst eardrums at the same range.

What I'm skeptical of, though, is that arguing from a physics standpoint really works here. Seal difficulty seems to match a sort of vague intuition, which is likely due to it being chakra silliness, but it means that it could very well be that making an Alarm Seal to create sound waves intense enough to burst eardrums is easier than making explosive seals potent enough to burst eardrums, because chakra sees making sound as an easier task than making explosive force.

It could also be the opposite, but we shouldn't assume one way or the other.
 
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Plan name: Forward Motion

Voters: @fiirofa, @Inferno Vulpix, @Kiba, @Loxagn, @Oneiros43, @schlega, @Veedrac
Num votes: 7


Plan name: Poll: 2 (Banshee Slayer)
Voters: @Cariyaga, @Dictator4Hire, @Inferno Vulpix, @Veedrac
Num votes: 4


Plan name: A List of All Lists That Do Not Contain Themselves
Voters: @MadScientist, @RideTheWalrus, @schlega
Num votes: 3


Plan name: Poll: 1 (Build a Prototype Zeppelin/Skywagon)
Voters: @Dictator4Hire, @Shneddly, @Veedrac
Num votes: 3


Plan name: Poll: 4 (Alarm Seal)
Voters: @Dictator4Hire, @Inferno Vulpix, @Veedrac
Num votes: 3


Plan name: Ignore the "Hivemind Aggregation Initiative" plan
Voters: @Cariyaga, @Vecht
Num votes: 2


Plan name: Admit Defeat on Changing the World
Voters: @Briefvoice
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Back Into the World
Voters: @Briefvoice
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Hazou Training: Seal-augmented Combat
Voters: @Vecht
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Hivemind Aggregation Initiative
Voters: @Kiba
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Keiko Training: Summoning Up
Voters: @Vecht
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Noburi Training: Water Up
Voters: @Vecht
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 1 (Timed Macerator v2)
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 3 (Alarm Seal)
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 3 (Bazooka Seals and w/e is necessary with Mechanical Aptitude to make them)
Voters: @Dictator4Hire
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 4 (Earbuster Seals)
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 4 (Tunneler's Friend)
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 5 (Earbuster Seals)
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Poll: 5 (Tunneler's Friend)
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1



Number of voters: 14
 
The seal still looked like to me one of the harder seal to research.

Kiba are you just ignoring the quote from oliwhail saying it's as hard as a basic storage seal? I mean it is literally being compared to the simplest most common seals? Like what do you consider easy and difficult? I am literally baffled by your only considering difficulty but ignoring how difficult it will be.
 
I find your cliché adherence to the naïve position that all English is ASCII unfortunate.

There are four instances in the above sentence where casefolding and normalisation would help.
Fair point, yes.

Ok, serious instead of flippant answer: I'm using Perl 5.22(*)​ which is locale-aware, so the lc operator that I'm using automatically respects Unicode casefolding rules. (Modulo some handwaving about locales and etc.) I haven't done anything with normalization, and you're right that that's a wart. My test cases were all based off of actual text from the SV site and none of it was Unicode so I didn't pay much attention to the issue. The tests certainly weren't as thorough as they could have been, but we haven't had any issues in the last year so I'm not too bothered. Making it do the normalizations would be as simple as pulling in the Unicode::Normalize module and applying it to the text of the page before doing anything else, but I'm choosing not to do that because it isn't mission-critical and I'm very short on spoons these days.

It's a valid point, though. Thanks for the reminder.


(*) 5.24.0 came out last May and 5.24.1 on January 17, so it's about time for me to upgrade, actually. I typically wait for the .1 of anything before upgrading.​
 
[X] Training Plan All: Continue as before
I have no idea why @Veedrac quoted my action plan without saying anything.
I was going to reply to your plan to critique it. I seem to have posted it accidentally without actually starting a reply. I never did finish the critique because I'm trying to get a regular sleep pattern going, which is messing with the late-night times I normally set aside for this stuff.

No matter, though, as the plan is looking pretty good right now.
I believe physic-wise, the earbuster seals is about focusing all its energy on creating extremely energetic pressure wave, while explosive seals are focused...on well...explosives.
Consider the difference in sound energy imparted by blowing really hard vs. using one's vocal cord with the same force. A pressure wave doesn't seem to carry that much sound; you need to set up an oscillation for this to work the right way. Explosion seals will be loud, but only because they're energetic enough that inefficiently converting energy into sound still puts a fair amount in. Doing so directly is much more efficient; think of how loud a man with an appropriate instrument, like a trumpet, or even church bells, can be, all because they put energy more efficiently into the air.
It's not a big deal here, seriously. The only reason I mentioned it at all was that this is something more programmers should be aware of, and I rarely turn down a humorous teaching opportunity.
 
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So, um, I guess my plan basically wins by default.

Now's the time to scream in Kagome, because we did something we shouldn't do. We split the party into three. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Wait, we did that before.
 
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