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Yes, yes, but I'd already made the design decision that CounterBot would enforce the "this quest is in English" rule. People are free to post votes in kanji and I am free to have my vote bot ignore them. :p
I find your cliché adherence to the naïve position that all English is ASCII unfortunate.

There are four instances in the above sentence where casefolding and normalisation would help.
 
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Can people provide their own ranking by which Jiraiya seals is likely to be the easiest to research?

Also want activity suggestions and more question for Keiko to ask. Maybe she could trade for a book?
 
Can people provide their own ranking by which Jiraiya seals is likely to be the easiest to research?

Group 1: Glorious Purifier, Tunneler's Friend (seals that are variations of seals Hazou already knows, in this case the storage seal).

Group 2: Silence Mine, Banshee Slayer, Alarm (seals given to Hazou, but not variants of already known seals).

Group 3: Goo Bomb, Earth Dome (seals given to Kagome, indicating that they might be more advanced).

Edit: you could make an argument to classify Earth Dome as a group 1 seal. I'm not sure whether Air Dome falls into the "air seals" category, or the "elemental dome seals" category, or both.
 
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1. Alarm, because it's expressly extremely basic.
2. Tunneler's Friend, because it's basically a slow storage seal.
3. Banshee Slayer.
4. Silence Mine, because it's a progression of the Banshee as I understand it.
5. Glorious Purifier, because it does Science™, and also Goo Bomb and Earth Dome.

Those in 5 aren't well differentiated in difficulty. Maybe Earth Dome is more similar to previous seals, so might rank lower.
 
Thanks for the chapter, @Velorien! I especially enjoyed all the pangolin puns. Panoptikon the scout, Panteon the religious, Panjandrum the grand poobah. (I wonder what he got demoted for; we should try and wring it out of Pandaa.)

Also, that was a remarkably gentle series of love-taps with the cluebat. If I didn't know better it might seem Iike you *liked* us or something.

Re: Mari, this isn't just a Keiko style crisis of confidence. I think it's more about identity and self-perception. She can't be heartless Heartbreaker any more, but she doesn't know how to reconcile her compassion (and support for Hazou's dreams) with the things she's done as Heartbreaker, and that makes her a) want to not be a ninja anymore and b) feel like she's faking (wearing a mask) when she's trying to be Compassionate New Mari, since she did all that terrible stuff as a ninja.

I think the "you don't need me" thing is less about self-confidence than about wanting to be done with ninja stuff in any capacity. (Though she's surely feeling bad about herself and her capabilities as a result of this.)

Best approach imo is to remind her that she's always had this compassion and now she can express it, both by small things like helping civilians with walls and water and through uplift long-term. She doesn't have to be Heartbreaker to be a ninja, she doesn't have to be a civilian to be compassionate.

But if she really wants to give up ninja stuff entirely once we're in a safe position, that's her prerogative and we'll support her. (Though true safety is hard to come by, especially for someone with Hazou's big dreams and big mouth.)
 
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On another note, I had another idea that could theoretically be implemented immediately, only I'm not sure how to tell PlanBot 'here is another thing we should do, only it's a minor objective and wouldn't really supercede any of the other plans'. I don't really want to take votes away from other people. Hmm.
Well, my idea is this:
Approach Noburi and Kagome. Would it be theoretically possible/permissible to store Chakra water?
In storage seals, I mean.
 
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Well, my idea is this:
Approach Noburi and Kagome. Would it be theoretically possible/permissible to store Chakra water?
In storage seals, I mean.

I think the end result of this would be Noburi getting real sarcastic and doing a two paragraph speech thanking Hazou for this brilliant idea that his clan was obviously too stupid come up with on their own, followed by him 'remembering' that no, of course that doesn't work.
 
  • Can we expect to take a similar amount of time to decode, convert, and produce our versions of the casino seals as we took for the storage and explosive seals?
You had help from Kagome on storage and explosive seals, which reduces TNs significantly (even more so than research notes), so it will likely take longer to reverse-engineer the casino scrolls. Barring more sealing failures, however, it should take an amount of time on roughly the same scale (weeks of concerted effort rather than months).

So just an argument on casino seals being put on the list with Jiraiya's seals. I mean they are essentially the same degree of difficulty as basic storage seals and we are more than twice as good at sealing now than when we did those.
 
Well I mean to say, Noburi getting sarcastic about an idea being presented is unfortunate, but. Have the Wakahisa done in-depth seal research into this? Sealmasters are rare, and if the idea is even possible within the bounds of a purely theoretical context, it's worth looking into, if for no other reason than the frankly tremendous boon it would be to Noburi himself, and by extension the team.
Of course, if it's likely that placing chakra-infused objects within storage seals is going to rip apart spacetime, best not to risk it.
 
Well I mean to say, Noburi getting sarcastic about an idea being presented is unfortunate, but. Have the Wakahisa done in-depth seal research into this? Sealmasters are rare, and if the idea is even possible within the bounds of a purely theoretical context, it's worth looking into, if for no other reason than the frankly tremendous boon it would be to Noburi himself, and by extension the team.
Of course, if it's likely that placing chakra-infused objects within storage seals is going to rip apart spacetime, best not to risk it.

Seals are an integral part of their barrel designs, so they do already use them in conjunction with their abilities.
 
Alright, fair enough. Dumb idea.
Also:
[X] Action Plan: Forward Motion

Not a dumb idea. Just have to find a way to convince Noburi to let us look at the seals on his barrel. If I recall correctly he was pretty uptight about it last time we tried to convince him to let us give it a once over.
 
Of course, if it's likely that placing chakra-infused objects within storage seals is going to rip apart spacetime, best not to risk it.

Nonsense. Nothing is too great a sacrifice if it's done in the pursuit of godlike cosmic power for science!

Just have to find a way to convince Noburi to let us look at the seals on his barrel.

Maybe the paralytic stuff we picked up might help. Also, "They all have to go to sleep eventually."™
 
So when we last talked about storing infused seals in storage seals, Kagome said that seals can't tell where chakra ends and begins since it's all connected.

Why not have a storage scroll suck up all the chakra in the world, and stop WW4 because no one's a ninja anymore?

[jk] Fantasy settings are overrated anyways.
 
So when we last talked about storing infused seals in storage seals, Kagome said that seals can't tell where chakra ends and begins since it's all connected.

Why not have a storage scroll suck up all the chakra in the world, and stop WW4 because no one's a ninja anymore?

[jk] Fantasy settings are overrated anyways.

I feel that we need to clarify that Kagome was pointing out that that was an extremely dangerous and difficult to control failure mode, not necessarily that the concept was fundamentally impossible. The existence of the chakra barrels and their extended storage time due to seals is evidence that seals can safely manipulate chakra external to themselves.
 
Without chakra, how are we meant to beat entropy?

Kids these days, never thinking ahead.

To be fair, that was omitted from the original problem specification.

Also, I would like to point out: it isn't clear that chakra does not obey something like thermodynamics, or that it isn't just some large (but finite) energy source.

Just getting our daily required poinless disagreements over pedantry and semantics out of the way. Carry on.

Edit: This does have me thinking though. Do we know of any physical processes that for sure produce chakra? Even biology; is it producing anything or just siphoning off / rearranging ambient (nature?) chakra? How does chakra regeneration work?
 
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Edit: This does have me thinking though. Do we know of any physical processes that for sure produce chakra? Even biology; is it producing anything or just siphoning off / rearranging ambient (nature?) chakra? How does chakra regeneration work?

Sounds like a problem for the boys at HHU to solve (Hidden Heaven University. GO Archons)
 
Thanks for the chapter, @Velorien! I especially enjoyed all the pangolin puns. Panoptikon the scout, Panteon the religious, Panjandrum the grand poobah. (I wonder what he got demoted for; we should try and wring it out of Pandaa.)

Also, that was a remarkably gentle series of love-taps with the cluebat. If I didn't know better it might seem Iike you *liked* us or something.

Re: Mari, this isn't just a Keiko style crisis of confidence. I think it's more about identity and self-perception. She can't be heartless Heartbreaker any more, but she doesn't know how to reconcile her compassion (and support for Hazou's dreams) with the things she's done as Heartbreaker, and that makes her a) want to not be a ninja anymore and b) feel like she's faking (wearing a mask) when she's trying to be Compassionate New Mari, since she did all that terrible stuff as a ninja.

I think the "you don't need me" thing is less about self-confidence than about wanting to be done with ninja stuff in any capacity. (Though she's surely feeling bad about herself and her capabilities as a result of this.)

Best approach imo is to remind her that she's always had this compassion and now she can express it, both by small things like helping civilians with walls and water and through uplift long-term. She doesn't have to be Heartbreaker to be a ninja, she doesn't have to be a civilian to be compassionate.

But if she really wants to give up ninja stuff entirely once we're in a safe position, that's her prerogative and we'll support her. (Though true safety is hard to come by, especially for someone with Hazou's big dreams and big mouth.)
I like this line of thought. Maybe we could convince her that Mari was already nice by asking her what she was like as a kid, what it felt like to help people at the inn where her family worked, etc. ...on the other hand, I'm pretty sure she has some damned poor memories of back then, so maybe not.

e: Huh, I just figured out a variant of LBF: Instead of triggering seals based on people crossing the chakra barrier, it triggers seals based on it breaking due to distance from other such seals. To get this to work we'd need to work out a single "source" seal that the LBF variant constantly detects distance from, and if this distance is exceeded, it triggers an attached seal.

This would allow Kagome and Keiko to throw explosives freely among allies, for one thing (though his shaped charges would still be dangerous). I'm sure we can think of other uses for it, too -- drop a storage seal with a stupid box in it behind you, and then just keep running, for one.
 
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