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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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I wonder how badly Kei would react if we suggested a contract with Pansofi (the Mad-Eye expy who Kei is offended was ever allowed to become a logistician).

They could be useful as an intelligence consultant.
 
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Cariyaga said:
e: Huh, I just figured out a variant of LBF: Instead of triggering seals based on people crossing the chakra barrier, it triggers seals based on it breaking due to distance from other such seals. To get this to work we'd need to work out a single "source" seal that the LBF variant constantly detects distance from, and if this distance is exceeded, it triggers an attached seal.

This would allow Kagome and Keiko to throw explosives freely among allies, for one thing (though his shaped charges would still be dangerous). I'm sure we can think of other uses for it, too -- drop a storage seal with a stupid box in it behind you, and then just keep running, for one.
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My thought on improvements for LBF was to just tie it into a chackra detector from the casino seal. Just cover the battlefield with various seals. Whenever your enemy moves in just trigger that seal all at once. With this variant don't have to worry about timers or distance sensors. Just sit up your killing field and boom squish. Or if someone is trying to move to get range have your goo bombs go of. Could also trap them in earth domes which would let us gain time to escape.

Also could we develop a storage scroll variant that could contain an earth wall in it for battlefield control for people besides Hazou.
 
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Kiba said:
Why would you want to do that when you have earth dome walls?
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Good point. Though it might be useful to have battlefield control that produce real walls than chakra constructs. Also would then just have a storage seal variant that could store large objects. So might be less risky to make instead of earth dome seals.
 
Fix the spelling and reorder the ranking of seals and adding reasoning as to the difficulty.


Kiba said:
If people are ignoring HAI, I am going to aggregate all my plans into one.

[X] Action Plan: Forward Motion

Goal:

1. Research Seals.
2. Train.
2. Plan what to do.

Methods:

We're splitting the party to do several things.

Action Items:
  • Kagome-sensei and Hazō at Base: Sealing Research Plan.
    • Let Kagome-sensei finish the skywalker research. Once he's done, he should teach the seal to Hazō.
    • If Hazō finished his training and Kagome-sensei hadn't yet finish his skywalker research, do sealing research on Jiraiya reward seals given to him.
    • Have Kagome-sensei and Hazō go through the list together and rank each seal by the level of ease and discard anything that seemed even slightly too advanced for Hazō. Here is the list of seals ranked by the hivemind based on its perceived difficulty:
      • Alarm seal. Jiraiya said it's very basic.
      • Tunneler's Friend. Basically a slow version of the storage seal.
      • Banshee Slayer.
      • Silence Mine. Progression of the Banshee slayer.
      • Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Purifier. Could potentially be a storage seal variant, but also complicated enough to differentiate air-like mixture and non-air like stuff.
      • Goo bomb. Unlike any other seal.
  • Keiko in the Summon Realm: Pangolin Society Research(See Spoiler).
    • Keiko will talk to Pandaa or go to the summon realm to do research.
    • Keiko will also clear any questions she might have with Pandaa to avoid getting squashed or offending the Pangolins.
    • Questions:
      • Who is the Pantokrator?
      • Why is sealing prohibited in the Summon Realm, or is that just limited to the Pangolins?
      • Why did the Condor started the first war?
      • Just what is the Academy?
      • What the Pangolins have against the Taipir?
  • Mari and Noburi in Yuni: Merchant Empire Research and Noburi Medical Training (See Spoiler).
  • Goal: We want to help Noburi finish his medical training safely.
  • Steps:
    • Let Noburi know that Hazo is supportive of his ambitions as a medic-nin and that we want to help him on that path.
    • Discuss potential issues, and how we might address them.
    • Suggest that we should be cautious.
  • Supporting Information; Potential Issues
    • Hashimoto might not want to teach Noburi
      • Ask Noburi what things Hashimoto might want (ryo, Macerators...) and offer to help with getting these things.
    • Hashimoto might reject Noburi completely no matter the rewards.
      • Ask for referal to another medic-nin that the team could learn from.
    • Hunter-nin might notice Noburi and/or his barrel.
      • Bring up Noburi disguising his barrel as a travel sack or appropriate covering.
      • Suggest Noburi obfuscate his movement through clever Henge use:
        • Noburi + Inoue go to Hashimoto's.
          • When Noburi leaves, Inoue creates a Water Clone Henge'd as Noburi.
          • Inoue & clone leave.
          • Repeat when Noburi leaves (at a set time?).
  • Mari will strike up conversations with merchants where she can find them.
    • Get some news about what happening in the world for the last several months.
    • Learn about how merchant caravans work.
    • Learn about the challenge and rewards.
    • Learn about the various caravans, who run them, their routes, and how long it takes to complete their routes.
  • Criteria for trading partners:
    • Not too nosy.
    • Don't drink or gamble or engage in other vice.
    • Don't divulge important information easily.
    • Know how to make money.
    • Not a cheating scroundel.
  • Once we found a trading partner or however many, make sure to remember their schedule and their route so we can visit them later.
Misc (To be done offscreen/optional)
  1. Textbooks from Leaf (Hazō Study Plan)
Contingency:
  • Escape paths:
    • Have traps set up so we can escape to the southwest river or the eastern coast (depending on the situation). More if Kagome-/Inoue-sensei say so.
  • Jiraiya calls us in:
    • Figure out what country we're going to, then draft a evac route to get there.
    • Will probably involve water/coastal routes.
  • A wild ninjas appears:
    • Make as many observations about the situation and the potential enemy as is possible in a split second.
    • End the update.
  • Disguises with other people: Face-concealing masks, Henge over all this. All the time.
    • Of course if we're talking to stronger ninjas (Jiraiya) we don't do this if Inoue-sensei doesn't. Be polite.
  • Sealing testing:
    • Get Kagome's input on everything first.
    • Test seals with clones, plants, etc. to examine effects on them.
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@Kiba add in the section on sealing that if questioned why you want to learn alarm seals to explain that Hazou has an idea for combining extra-loud versions of them with banshee slayers to debilitate enemies.
 
Cariyaga said:
@Kiba add in the section on sealing that if questioned why you want to learn alarm seals to explain that Hazou has an idea for combining extra-loud versions of them with banshee slayers to debilitate enemies.
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I am not sure what is the point. Hazō is supposed to be mastering all the seals that is in easy reach of his abilities.

So it doesn't matter why he would want alarm seals just that it's the top of his list because it's presumably so basic.
 
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Kiba said:
I am not sure what is the point. Hazō is supposed to be mastering all the seals that is in easy reach of his abilities.

So it doesn't matter why he would want alarm seals just that it's the top of his list because it's presumably so basic.
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For one thing, I'd like for Kagome to be informed as to the direction Hazou intends to eventually take his research. And if Kagome likes the idea of it, I wanna see him be happy :p
 
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Plan name: Poll: 2 (Banshee Slayer)
Voters: @Cariyaga, @Dictator4Hire, @Inferno Vulpix, @Veedrac
Num votes: 4


Plan name: A List of All Lists That Do Not Contain Themselves
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Plan name: Poll: 1 (Build a Prototype Zeppelin/Skywagon)
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Plan name: Poll: 4 (Alarm Seal)
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Plan name: Ignore the "Hivemind Aggregation Initiative" plan
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Plan name: Admit Defeat on Changing the World
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Plan name: Back Into the World
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Plan name: Hazou Training: Seal-augmented Combat
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Plan name: Hivemind Aggregation Initiative
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Plan name: Keiko Training: Summoning Up
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Plan name: Noburi Training: Water Up
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Plan name: Poll: 1 (Timed Macerator v2)
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Plan name: Poll: 3 (Alarm Seal)
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Plan name: Poll: 4 (Earbuster Seals)
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Plan name: Poll: 4 (Tunneler's Friend)
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Number of voters: 14
 
We have less than twenty fours to go and I plan to go to sleep before midnight. Please make your suggestions and criticisms and vote before I go to bed.
 
Would like casino seals on the possible list of seal. Is on the same order of difficulty as the other seals
 
Cariyaga said:
That is not true at all. We do not have notes for casino seals. Literally all we have is a drawing of them that Hazou made and Kagome's word that they're probably for detecting chakra use visibly. :p
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We want to make sealing research as straight forward as possible so that we have some sort of sealing progression. Any kind of complication is just going to make the QMs think.

@eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien You guys do have the TN for all of Jiraiya's seals right?
 
@Cariyaga in fact we do know how hard it will be
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  • Can we expect to take a similar amount of time to decode, convert, and produce our versions of the casino seals as we took for the storage and explosive seals?
You had help from Kagome on storage and explosive seals, which reduces TNs significantly (even more so than research notes), so it will likely take longer to reverse-engineer the casino scrolls. Barring more sealing failures, however, it should take an amount of time on roughly the same scale (weeks of concerted effort rather than months).
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So based on that I think it should atleast be considered.
 
Kiba said:
We don't know how long Kagome-sensei will spend on skywalker researcher. He will almost assuredly will not be available. In that case, we'll have to progress based on research notes alone.
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So a seal as hard as basic storage scrolls are to hard to do on our own. That seems incredibly conservative.
 
Oneiros43 said:
So I literally find an official QM Quote saying the degree of difficulty is the same as storage or explosive seals and you consider that to hard
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I don't want to increase the workload on the QM more than we already have and I gathered the five seals is sufficient to last through an update.

Unless there's a burning reason to have your pet seal included, I am not adding it.
 
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