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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Kalkin said:
Proposal for a Prototype Railgun (not really a railgun)
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:mad: That isn't a railgun.

It's an airgun, something that uses a non-explosive gaseous pressure differential to acellerate a projectile. You don't get to call it a railgun just because it sounds cooler. A railgun is a completely different type of thing with completely different operating principles. Doubly so when there's already a perfectly good name for the thing you describe.

Calling attention to the fact that you are using the wrong name doesn't make it better. :mad:

*grumble grumble*
 
Yeah, but it was based off of the Yellow Flash's thing, so...

Speaking of which, could we use Seals to fuse and alter materials, Fullmetal Alchemist style?
 
Jello_Raptor said:
:mad: That isn't a railgun.

It's an airgun, something that uses a non-explosive gaseous pressure differential to acellerate a projectile. You don't get to call it a railgun just because it sounds cooler. A railgun is a completely different type of thing with completely different operating principles. Doubly so when there's already a perfectly good name for the thing you describe.

Calling attention to the fact that you are using the wrong name doesn't make it better. :mad:

*grumble grumble*
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tbh when I saw that, I knew it was going to get a rant from you. I was waiting. :D
 
So, I originally posted this as a bit of analysis, but it would actually work as a sub-plan.
Admittedly, since its a plan that describes how Hazou is thinking about something, and it reposts info already on the thread, which represents Hazou's thoughts...
Not sure if necessary.

[X][Logic] Plan Oh God We're a Hick
Plan would be appended to winning primary plan, describes the logic Hazou uses to formulate his apology.
Hazou's thought process:
  • The printing press isn't a Leaf secret, nor do they expect it to be
  • Why wouldn't I (Hazou) have been aware of it?
    • First possibility: I'm from a low-income family who have been thrown out of a major clan. I was just never in the circles who would have known about/talked about it
      • Problem: I did attend the ANA, and they did have some courses on geopolitics. A transformative technology like this that has been around for generations should have been mentioned.
      • Problem: Given my interests/proclivities, you'd think my parents would have told me about something like this.
    • Second Possibility: Mist deliberately doesn't discuss these things.
      • Mist has a bit of a chip on its shoulder with regards to being something of a backwater
      • The only reason that I (Hazou) know what "Pacifism" is is because of propaganda speeches about how it is a false ideology meant to weaken Mist
      • Mist hates traitors, and withholding this sort of info from the rank and file might make them less likely to defect/have a harder time managing if they do defect.
      • Must check with rest of team to find out if they knew, but since none of them tried to calm me down (not even Inoue), consider it likely that this is new info for them as well.
  • What else am I missing?
    • Leaf must have a way to mass produce quality paper to go along with mass-produced writing
      • Sudden, Jiraiya's writing career makes so much more sense. I (Hazou) had assumed that there were sweatshops full of civilians churning out the books as part of some scheme/sop to a Sannin's ego.
    • O Need to learn what we don't know. How?
  • Why would I (Hazou) assume that Leaf would do something like enslave a foreign ninja as a living printing press/enslave civilians as a sop to a Sannin's ego?
    • Its what Mist would do, if they had known about that aspect of the Kurosawa family
    • Fuck infosec on this point. The cat is out of the bag, time to capitalize on it for sympathy points.
      • O Revealing that Mist doesn't know about Kurosawa perfect writing doesn't actually hurt us
  • Holy shit, Mist is messed up.
    • The mission our Jounin defected from wasn't actually a suicide mission, it wasn't much better. I (Hazou) doubt that the higher ups at Mist would have cried if the only child of a disgraced Kurasowa had died on that mission. Or a rebellious Jounin for that matter.
O represents changes from previous posting.
 
Voting is over.

Action Plan: Clear Communication no Janitor is victorious.

And after all the writing @eaglejarl and I did for the potental lore update, too... Ah, well, guess you'll have to try and work out what Hazō learned based on his discussion with Shikamaru, instead of being able to read it directly and draw your own conclusions. But it's not all bad - at least this way you'll get to see some version of Plan Velorien (which dovetails perfectly with the Akane segment of the winning plan).

In regard to which, the only thing more flattering than seeing something called Plan Velorien is seeing something called Plan Not Velorien. You know you've made it as a QM when somebody makes a plan whose sole purpose is to foil your evil plots.
 
Velorien said:
You'll forgive me if I fail to make the association between beacon-based teleportation and railguns via the medium of of a thrown weapon that generates Substitution Technique targets.
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Never. There can be no forgiveness for one who cannot follow convoluted logical leaps occasionally obscured by tangential interpretations of phrases.
You should feel shame akin to that of a cow with visually unappealing spots and an inability to notice/point out low hanging fruit our thinking has missed.
 
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What happens if you try to store an object larger than the seal's max volume? Does it fail to activate? Rip a cube of material into storage, leaving behind the matter that fell outside it's boundaries? Cthulhu?
 
Velorien said:
Voting is over.

Action Plan: Clear Communication no Janitor is victorious.

And after all the writing @eaglejarl and I did for the potental lore update, too... Ah, well, guess you'll have to try and work out what Hazō learned based on his discussion with Shikamaru, instead of being able to read it directly and draw your own conclusions. But it's not all bad - at least this way you'll get to see some version of Plan Velorien (which dovetails perfectly with the Akane segment of the winning plan).

In regard to which, the only thing more flattering than seeing something called Plan Velorien is seeing something called Plan Not Velorien. You know you've made it as a QM when somebody makes a plan whose sole purpose is to foil your evil plots.
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*winces*
 
Velorien said:
Voting is over.

Action Plan: Clear Communication no Janitor is victorious.

And after all the writing @eaglejarl and I did for the potental lore update, too... Ah, well, guess you'll have to try and work out what Hazō learned based on his discussion with Shikamaru, instead of being able to read it directly and draw your own conclusions. But it's not all bad - at least this way you'll get to see some version of Plan Velorien (which dovetails perfectly with the Akane segment of the winning plan).

In regard to which, the only thing more flattering than seeing something called Plan Velorien is seeing something called Plan Not Velorien. You know you've made it as a QM when somebody makes a plan whose sole purpose is to foil your evil plots.
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I prefer plot progression over worldbuilding update, to be honest.

We're 400K words and just over one year into the quest and we are still are not S-ranked nins, so I am a bit impatient.
 
Kiba said:
I prefer plot progression over worldbuilding update, to be honest.

We're 400K words and just over one year into the quest and we are still are not S-ranked nins, so I am a bit impatient.
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Short of some pretty serious time skips, you'll probably have to keep being patient. Becoming s-class is gonna take was more than the one year we've spent in-story, in all likelihood. Probably closer to 10 years than to 1.
 
OliWhail said:
Short of some pretty serious time skips, you'll probably have to keep being patient. Becoming s-class is gonna take was more than the one year we've spent in-story, in all likelihood. Probably closer to 10 years than to 1.
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Research breaks the xp economy. With Hazou's current sealing level he can research dozens of minor tricks, while also saving up his xp for high-level purchases. Another character would have to just not improve while saving for expensive levels. So we're already ahead of the curve. If we want S-class, then I propose that the quickest route is to invent a variety of low-mid level seals and munchkin them for all they're worth. Hopefully we can think of some ways to make S-ranked seal machines out of seals that Hazou wouldn't have trouble researching.
 
Nilay said:
Speaking of which, could we use Seals to fuse and alter materials, Fullmetal Alchemist style?
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Yeah probably, as long as we had specific transformations in mind instead of off-the-cuff stuff like those who have seen the Truth can do.

Nilay said:
Flash stepping?

Seriously, the seal's name is THE POOR MAN'S YELLOW FLASH.

Come on man.
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FYI, the Poor Man's Yellow Flash isn't actually flash stepping, it's a cheap knockoff (hence "poor man's") that involves adding a timer to a storage seal so we can throw substitution jutsu targets around the battlefield at high speed. This has lots of other applications as well, but none of them are Hiraishin.
 
MadScientist said:
Research breaks the xp economy. With Hazou's current sealing level he can research dozens of minor tricks, while also saving up his xp for high-level purchases. Another character would have to just not improve while saving for expensive levels. So we're already ahead of the curve. If we want S-class, then I propose that the quickest route is to invent a variety of low-mid level seals and munchkin them for all they're worth. Hopefully we can think of some ways to make S-ranked seal machines out of seals that Hazou wouldn't have trouble researching.
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If we can ever find time to do research and not get hounded by hunter-nins.
 
MadScientist said:
Research breaks the xp economy.... If we want S-class, then I propose that the quickest route is to invent a variety of low-mid level seals and munchkin them for all they're worth.
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Okay, given this, should we hold off on anything to do with Hana and just focusing on seal-based shenanigans for our reward and immediate future plans?

Also, the utility of delivering seals at range makes me want to level weapons... Guuuh... At least we have Keiko for that?
 
OliWhail said:
Okay, given this, should we hold off on anything to do with Hana and just focusing on seal-based shenanigans for our reward and immediate future plans?

Also, the utility of delivering seals at range makes me want to level weapons... Guuuh... At least we have Keiko for that?
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I think the strategic value of another jonin (and the Hazou's emotional health thing) is worth more to us right now. And if she knows anything about Sealing (she should, we know that Kurosawa chunin study it) then she could help with research.

For delivering seals at range, I think we should commission Skidmark no jutsu from a doton THer. Probably research ARS, too. @Twofold 's calcs show Weapons to be kinda expensive to respec into at this point.
 
OliWhail said:
Activating Ranged Seals..?
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Activation Relay Seals, the one with two seals A and B where A connects to a third party and activates it if B is activated.

Edit: So for example, Hazou could connect an ARS-A to an explosive tag and drop it on the floor, then walk 100m away from it. And then hold an ARS-B and activate it by touch in order to set off the explosion.
 
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Velorien said:
And after all the writing @eaglejarl and I did for the potental lore update, too... Ah, well, guess you'll have to try and work out what Hazō learned based on his discussion with Shikamaru, instead of being able to read it directly and draw your own conclusions. But it's not all bad - at least this way you'll get to see some version of Plan Velorien (which dovetails perfectly with the Akane segment of the winning plan).
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Aw darn. Well, hopefully we'll get some in the update, and if we'd like to see more we can vote for lore later.


Velorien said:
But it's not all bad - at least this way you'll get to see some version of Plan Velorien (which dovetails perfectly with the Akane segment of the winning plan).
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Bluh. I think CCnJ does an okay job of spelling things out, and following Inoue's advice to make it a dialogue rather than a declaration. I hope this means more the flustery parts of Plan Velorien than the really awkward ones, but I guess we'll see. :<

(Though Plan Velorien isn't the worst insofar as it lets Akane know that Hazou isn't deliberately spurning her, if only because he's clearly incapable of romantic deliberation in general. :p)
 
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MadScientist said:
Activation Relay Seals
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Point of order: would an ARS-B activate every ARS-A in range, or would you be able to create linked pairs? If the latter, how do you distinguish between an ARS-B linked to ARS-A 1 and an ARS-B linked to ARS-A 2? The first method that comes to mind for managing that would be to give each ARS-B a broadcast ID, and each ARS-A a reception ID, with an ARS-B activating each ARS-A within range if the codes match. (This would work like, for example, the implosion seal. Instead of configuring seal radius at creation time, we would configure the seal's ARS broadcast ID.) Main disadvantage would be that it limits our number of unique activations to whatever size address space we construct for it, but that's manageable.

Edit: Actually, the bigger disadvantage would be if anybody gets hold of the design, in which case they could prematurely activate any seals we set up. Hopefully, we'll be encrypting seals with our public key by then.
 
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