You're assuming I want to do something I don't. So, no.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
My bad. Given that you don't want to team up with Orochimaru, why does the protoplan have us link up with him and share resources up to and potentially including the existence of runic WMDs?
Like, can you explain what this protoplan is going for a little more? I really don't know what the intent is if not to team up with Oro.
I never said I didn't want to team up with Oro either. I said I didn't want to give the Rift to him.
I don't get where your framing is coming from and I don't care to discuss this more until you clarify your position considerably.
The optimal outcome is that we go to Oro, team up, and bring Leaf into it afterwards. I don't want to unilaterally bring Leaf into it without meeting him first.
For all we know Tsunade and Naruto will be in the room with him when we get there.
Ok, thank you for expanding, I think I've found our disconnect.
I think there is a pretty good chance(on the order of ~50%) that Oro is doing his own version of the "yoink" plan, and does not plan to cooperate with Leaf. If this is the case, I think that cooperating with him will go extremely badly.
I'd like to try to establish what Oro's plan is before we meet up with him.
I would rather make contact with Naruto through the Jiraiya's ninja contact in Otofuka Gai. Once we've been briefed by Naruto and have more info about why Oro went missing, we can decide if we want to contact Oro again via the 7th path.
Alternately, I would rather head to the EN and kidnap a random leaf-nin or info broker, and pump them for info on why Oro went missing. If he was under Akatsuki pressure(directly or by leaning on the Kage), we conclude he's probably planning "Return to Leaf" and rejoin him. Otherwise, we conclude he's planning "Oro!Yoink" and don't meet up with him.
Even just sending Oro a toadmessage of "Heard you went missing, what's up with that? will you be able to get support from Leaf?*" Would clarify the situation immensely.
*"Also, please treat Gamahebigai respectfully, and with as much comfort as this communication channel allows. We'll summon him every few hours to check messages"
Do you think we're on the same page now with regards to what eachothers positions are?
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Let's use this lady instead. If Goketsu Hazou(or a SC of him) shows up at the gates of Leaf,word will spread like wildfire, giving us an even shorter timer and putting Akatsuki on maximum alert.
She has experience relaying top-secret messages for Leaf, and Naruto knows that she's our contact. She can do whatever her normal process is, then insist her message is for the Kage only.
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A mile away may not necessarily be good enough, if we expect Leaf to come swarming out at us (which they likely will, unless we have a way of getting to Naruto without meeting anyone else in Leaf).
Summons don't have a distance limit, but still run into the issue of "how do I talk to Naruto without Leaf popping me?".
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Just walk in like you own the place
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[X] EM Nuke Rune Leaf, then walk in like you own the place
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Have Mari hire a civilian in/near Leaf to get a message to the Tower? Or walk in like we own the place, that sounds fine too.
Naruto gave us an ex-chunin contact in a backwater leaf village whose whole deal is passing secret messages for leaf. We can just use her.
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I think it would be rather difficult for a non-Leaf ninja to successfully send a message to Naruto, who will absolutely 100% be in the center of Leaf, without being pinged by everyone else. She might not trip Akatsuki's alarm bells as quickly, but she'll have a much harder time contacting Naruto since she is a relative nobody.
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She's not a nobody, she's a spy network agent who Naruto is expecting messages from.
She's done top-secret message runs for Leaf before, I assume she has some system.
And Naruto will be all over leaf, not just in the centre.
She could walk in like a civilian, then approach any Naruto. EZ.
Or approach the gate/tower and ask then to inform the Lord Hokage that Suzuki Yuka has a message for him. Naruto knows that means Hazou is in Fire country and making contact.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I think that if Oro is doing his own yoink plan it's likely to turn out a lot better if we help him with it. By which I mean "He will allow us to rez Jiraiya". Which gets us most of what we'll need.
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She's a spy network agent Asuma and Naruto haven't reactivated. Naruto knows she exists and that Hazou knows her, but that doesn't extend to the rest of Leaf (this is the difficult part).
She's done them for Leaf, that doesn't mean she's delivered messages to Leaf, and even if she has it's still an issue for her being a ninja with a ninja's chakra circulatory system walking into a hidden village known for its sensory-ninja.
Asking to have the message delivered to Naruto might work, but will definitely get Yuka brought in to T&I "just in case", and given her desire for a quiet life I do not think she will want to do this.
Sure, even if Oro!Yoink with Hazou is maybe better than Oro!Yoink without, Leaf+Hazou is dramatically better than Oro!Yoink+Hazou.
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I'm inclined to go to Oro first and see what he's saying. I think it very likely that he's got Naruto and Sunny with him right now. And trying to contact them and wait to hear back is a pointless waste of time when every second matters.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I'm... not actually convinced it is? Naively, sure... but Leaf + Hazou means that we cede the rift to Leaf which means them using it for war. I'm not actually sure whether it's better that Leaf be using it for war than Oro be using it for Oro-level experimentation.
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Leaf is better….how is this even a question?
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Could there be any value in sending Kei and/or Noburi down to Leaf while we go meet with Orochimaru? Best case, we have instantaneous comms between Rice and Leaf to save even more time. Worst case, we just pick them back up on our way south. It has the potential to hedge against various unexpected scenarios, I think.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
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For whatever it's worth I trust Orochimaru.
Okay that sounds bad, but hear me out. I don't trust him to be a good or honest person, as the statement of trust typically implies. I trust him to be cold, scientific, and practical, and following that line of reasoning I trust him to not fuck around when his opponent is all of Akatsuki and the future of the world (and more importantly himself) is potentially at stake.
I trust that Orochimaru isn't going to backstab his own side and arrogantly believe that he can take on Akatsuki by himself and that being on the run from the united strength of the rest of the world is somehow better than just.. staying with a revived and empowered leaf that is willing to let him keep doing what he wants.
So I say let's go see what Snuncle has planned and yoink ourselves an afterlife rift. Do I need to vote now? I've been mostly ignoring votes for a while but I'll vote if I need to to back this statement up.
Okay that sounds bad, but hear me out. I don't trust him to be a good or honest person, as the statement of trust typically implies. I trust him to be cold, scientific, and practical, and following that line of reasoning I trust him to not fuck around when his opponent is all of Akatsuki and the future of the world (and more importantly himself) is potentially at stake.
I trust that Orochimaru isn't going to backstab his own side and arrogantly believe that he can take on Akatsuki by himself and that being on the run from the united strength of the rest of the world is somehow better than just.. staying with a revived and empowered leaf that is willing to let him keep doing what he wants.
So I say let's go see what Snuncle has planned and yoink ourselves an afterlife rift. Do I need to vote now? I've been mostly ignoring votes for a while but I'll vote if I need to to back this statement up.
Emstar
The Shining One
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I think that given the information Mari got from the broker and murmurings of the QMs doing some rolls for some battle or another its highly likely that some shit went down in Leaf while we were away.
Oro clearly picked up and left the village, so it's possible that they're under surveillance or something at the very least.
I think we stand a better chance of sending Jiraiya's old informant down to Leaf (while we're on the way to Rice) with a message to Shikamaru a la "Shit is going down bring the cavalry" in some coded way that only he would be able to understand and then trusting him to figure it out from there rather than us personally showing up in Leaf to get in contact with people.
Shika can use one of his biannual Usefulness Tickets and maybe organize something to help with the showdown, if that's even possible at this point.
