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We need to change the game. I think it's time to reevaluate Superchillers.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Can Ma or Pa check Noburi for genjutsu, break any genjutsu that might be on him, or put him under an overriding genjutsu?
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While the terms can be expanded indefinitely, and the trigger decided later, the simplest example would be something like a dead man's switch. Obviously the MAD here would be mree delaying action rather than a final soiution, but time is all we need.
Which also reminds me of the complete absence of actual game theory and MAD from Kei's analysis.
It would be exquisite to smack terms down on Itachi like he does every day.
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On that note, perhaps we can MAD Akatsuki with Superchillers.
While the terms can be expanded indefinitely, and the trigger decided later, the simplest example would be something like a dead man's switch. Obviously the MAD here would be mree delaying action rather than a final soiution, but time is all we need.
Which also reminds me of the complete absence of actual game theory and MAD from Kei's analysis.
It would be exquisite to smack terms down on Itachi like he does every day.
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Well, they do have at least one genjutsu.
@Velorien @Paperclipped @eaglejarl
Is that sound-based attack still a genjutsu or did the world change it to ninjutsu?
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Ah, apologies. I...don't see why it would change, though.
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It's a wide ranging attack that affects multiple people. Seems like it more produces actual sounds than changes your brain-chemistry. Which might have been considered Genjutsu back in the day (and under MoL rules!) but might not right now.
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Fair, though I don't imagine that the QMs would retcon some of their previous worldbuilding establishing the existence of sound-based genjutsu and Jiraiya's OC Banshee Slayer seals which work against them.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Strength of the Storm was taught to Yuno, written up and put into the vault, etc., right?
Strength of the Storm was taught to Yuno, written up and put into the vault, etc., right?
redzonejoe
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Idea: Send a note back with Noburi for Itachi. We can say anything we'd like, and he can't interrupt us!
Pros: VERY satisfying, might even help guide the situation in some way.
Cons: Trying to predict Itachi's reaction to anything we want to say may result in an oopsie doodle.
Ideas include:
Pros: VERY satisfying, might even help guide the situation in some way.
Cons: Trying to predict Itachi's reaction to anything we want to say may result in an oopsie doodle.
Ideas include:
- Dear sir, you are a butthole.
- The truth about researching weapons specifically as Akatsuki countermeasures so that he can't just walk into our clan compound whenever he wants, mindrape our family and steal all our secrets, as he seems to be doing right now (Guess we were a little slow, better luck next time?).
- Lie about weapons research (to what end?)
- Lie about EVERYTHING in hopes of misleading him
- Explain the countermeasures we will now use to keep our family safe, including but not limited to cutting off all contact with the outside world and hiding away with summons dedicated to guarding us
- Lie about the countermeasures we will now use to keep our family safe, hopefully achieving the result while also deceiving him about our location should he try to find us.
- Try to convince him to betray Akatuski and join us. Because that would be hilarious, but also because we can't trust the fate of the world with anybody who thinks the likes of Hidan is a cool guy.
- Anything else you can imagine
- Also we have more lore now, fuck you lore-denier.
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Is there any chance we could just... out-distance them? Naruto's list of hotspots are all locations on the map, in the known world. If Hidan spins in a circle and walks northish and eventually finds himself on the far side of Snow Country, at some point he probably shrugs and figures he missed us. The way to never let Hidan get within 50km of us is to estimate how far he'll track us on a Jashin-given whim and go 100km farther than that.
Or, heck, 200 km farther than that, 500 km farther. Realistically, nothing stops us from going to the other end of the world entirely. We have the supplies, there's nobody we need to come in contact with, and we can still relatively easily make the return trip once we're done.
i think the pangolins would freak out if they learned kei betrayed her village and went missing. they already didn't like it the first time she did it.
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looks like kei was hoping we would provide a more peaceful solution. like letting those 7path summons civilians into the village and coexisting. and maybe letting their military get involved in policing and the courts.
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A loot pinata not for Akatsuki, but for thee...
1. Would it actually give us any (sufficient) security? We just saw what happens when we relied on Naruto in a similar role. And we now have the rest of Team Uplift and the clan to consider.
2. Kei's whole diatribe about WMD's applies doubly so in that case, where most paths lead to shortcutting her worst case scenario. After all, what's the most natural demand that would be made of us in exchange for (assumed) security while we make WMD's against the Akatsuki? The whole point of the joke quote is that we give someone who is not Akatsuki the effective leverage of being Akatsuki. That seems unwise.
3. This is sentimental, but I finally, finally want to see the Missing-Armageddon project go full bore.
Regardless of my objections, thank you for the out-of-the-box suggestion. Many of our best successes come from those kinds of efforts.
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I guess that something along the lines of letting Cannai talk to Itachi, and explaining that Hazou has not, in any shape,way or form, researched the rift, but is also unwilling to let any more clan secret get stolen wouldn't work, right? Abuse the old "Summons never lie" by saying something technically true (Because Oro is the one researching the rift, not us).
EDIT: i mean, what are the odds, in Itachi's mind, that Hazou could lie to Cannai?
EDIT: i mean, what are the odds, in Itachi's mind, that Hazou could lie to Cannai?
can this apply to primordial sealing too? someone else already mentioned minatosealing
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Worth doing. This might be able to bump our priority a few points down Itachi's list if we are able to make our self a big enough nuisance to find.
Rihaku
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Itachi is a shadow clone and his major weakness is his merely high-jounin chakra reserves. Itachi prime, who has most of his chakra, isn't aware of any issues until this shadow clone pops. It also presumably has no Sharingan, cutting off the majority of his op genjutsu. This vastly reduces the amount of stuff Itachi's shadow clone can do to stalk or interfere with Noburi…
@Paperclipped I understand that naruto folded due to past trauma from Itachi prime, but wouldn't the shadow clone's lack of red eyes prevent this trauma from triggering fully?
@Paperclipped I understand that naruto folded due to past trauma from Itachi prime, but wouldn't the shadow clone's lack of red eyes prevent this trauma from triggering fully?
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We really don't want to do that. My understanding is that Noburi is standing right next to Itachi in the Human Path. We don't want him to have to hide anything this momentous right now.
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Naruto said he'd be sending them on a goose chase. I don't think Noburi Mari and Yuno can leave until they leave, but after that they can book it to us or go somewhere else and keep in contact.
Ugh this is part of why I was insistent we needed him with us, this is literally the leverage we were talking about if we leave party members behind :/
Ugh this is part of why I was insistent we needed him with us, this is literally the leverage we were talking about if we leave party members behind :/
We could defy naruto, return to leaf, tell itachi we arent doing dimensionalism. ignore any other questions saying we don't have to answer those and walk away once he starts asking those. And mention it's rude to pull hazou away from research without any gifts as compensation for lost time
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Implosion seals also fail safely. Well unless you stack a bunch of them for some silly reason
Mari's Uplift Exfiltration:
Itachi's eyes are on Goketsu right now, and Noburi is a poor liar.
We'll wait a day or two, then send Mari a ciphered message to exfiltrate our team.
Uplift is unlikely to get more than 12 hours of head start. to many eyes are on uplift.
1-2 hours is enough time to skywalk above the clouds and vanish beyond visual range in an ~untrackable direction.
So Mari can just grab Noburi+Yuno and vanish into the night. neat.
As a bonus, we want to maximise our resources and visibly break ties with leaf.
This could be any combination of "take everyone we care about", and "burn bridges on our way out"
"take people we care about" is tricky. the more people we bring, the more firepower(and chakra!) we have. but most of the people we might bring are loyal leaf nin. also, taking half of a group(extended Goketsu, Snowglobe, ect) suggests that we might care about the other half.
"burn bridges" is tricky. any obvious treachery that gets noticed cuts into our 12-hour head start. It would be really nice to steal the Uzumaki sealing vault, murder Ritsuo, ect, but doing so without immediately raising the alarm is probably hard.
Ultimately, I'm in favour of waiting two days, then dumping this in the lap of Mari, renowned infiltration expert.
She can decide who else it's safe to bring, and what(if any) bonus objectives to do on the way out.
Itachi's eyes are on Goketsu right now, and Noburi is a poor liar.
We'll wait a day or two, then send Mari a ciphered message to exfiltrate our team.
Uplift is unlikely to get more than 12 hours of head start. to many eyes are on uplift.
1-2 hours is enough time to skywalk above the clouds and vanish beyond visual range in an ~untrackable direction.
So Mari can just grab Noburi+Yuno and vanish into the night. neat.
As a bonus, we want to maximise our resources and visibly break ties with leaf.
This could be any combination of "take everyone we care about", and "burn bridges on our way out"
"take people we care about" is tricky. the more people we bring, the more firepower(and chakra!) we have. but most of the people we might bring are loyal leaf nin. also, taking half of a group(extended Goketsu, Snowglobe, ect) suggests that we might care about the other half.
"burn bridges" is tricky. any obvious treachery that gets noticed cuts into our 12-hour head start. It would be really nice to steal the Uzumaki sealing vault, murder Ritsuo, ect, but doing so without immediately raising the alarm is probably hard.
Ultimately, I'm in favour of waiting two days, then dumping this in the lap of Mari, renowned infiltration expert.
She can decide who else it's safe to bring, and what(if any) bonus objectives to do on the way out.