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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Recent mechanics questions got us to thinking and so, after much discussion among the QM team, we've decided to share a bit of information that Hazō has recently inferred from his time reading Orochimaru's biosealing research projects:

Biosealing is similar to paper sealing, but not so similar that the theory and infusion are the same -- as Kagome said way back when, changing the materials and substrate of sealcrafting also means needing to develop a new theory and practice of the art. Mechanically, Biosealing is its own stat which is single-cost while under Sealing, but double-cost on its own (like two ninjutsu of the same element, but doubled in price).

"Wait QMs, the Orochimaru lootboxes should surely give Biosealing XP!" you say. "Ssh," the QMs reply. "You like having lootboxes, right? And you've already gotten Sealing XP and levels from Orochimaru's lootboxes, right? So, hopefully you won't complain too much about those mechanics we sorted out years ago not fully matching up with stuff we pinned down relatively more recently. And if you do then we will make grumbly noises about how you extracted all the seal-related value already and you don't have the background to get the squishy bit and learning the prereqs would have already covered that part and get off our lawn you obnoxious whippersnapper players."
 
eaglejarl said:
Biosealing is similar to paper sealing, but not so similar that the theory and infusion are the same -- as Kagome said way back when, changing the materials and substrate of sealcrafting also means needing to develop a new theory and practice of the art. Mechanically, Biosealing is its own stat which is single-cost while under Sealing, but double-cost on its own (like two ninjutsu of the same element, but doubled in price).
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We're so back.
 
eaglejarl said:
Hazō notes that directionally constraining seal outputs without dropoff in power is pretty hard – even Kagome's directional explosives chose to constrain the effect by sealing a part of the output rather than by shaping the explosion directly.
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Clarification: Does this mean that Kagome's directional explosives contain a storage seal-esque component? If so, how did Kagome make this component, since normal storage seals release their contents upon destruction?
 
faflec said:
Clarification: Does this mean that Kagome's directional explosives contain a storage seal-esque component? If so, how did Kagome make this component, since normal storage seals release their contents upon destruction?
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"Mine are a combination of a storage seal and an explosive," Kagome-sensei whispered. "When the blast goes off, it opens a very tiny storage space around the point of the blast, swallowing whatever part I don't want to emit. It's only there for an instant, just long enough to swallow a section of the explosion and shut itself down, and it's so small that you couldn't put anything physical in it. Not even a grain of rice. But..."
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eaglejarl said:
Recent mechanics questions got us to thinking and so, after much discussion among the QM team, we've decided to share a bit of information that Hazō has recently inferred from his time reading Orochimaru's biosealing research projects:

Biosealing is similar to paper sealing, but not so similar that the theory and infusion are the same -- as Kagome said way back when, changing the materials and substrate of sealcrafting also means needing to develop a new theory and practice of the art. Mechanically, Biosealing is its own stat which is single-cost while under Sealing, but double-cost on its own (like two ninjutsu of the same element, but doubled in price).

"Wait QMs, the Orochimaru lootboxes should surely give Biosealing XP!" you say. "Ssh," the QMs reply. "You like having lootboxes, right? And you've already gotten Sealing XP and levels from Orochimaru's lootboxes, right? So, hopefully you won't complain too much about those mechanics we sorted out years ago not fully matching up with stuff we pinned down relatively more recently. And if you do then we will make grumbly noises about how you extracted all the seal-related value already and you don't have the background to get the squishy bit and learning the prereqs would have already covered that part and get off our lawn you obnoxious whippersnapper players."
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This seems promising! Considering the feats Arikada was capable of at well-below-Snake Sannin levels of Biosealing, maybe Hazou should pick up Biosealing 20-30 and see what synergies arise?

Or would this require enough other pre-reqs that it's not really worth it?
 
eaglejarl said:
Recent mechanics questions got us to thinking and so, after much discussion among the QM team, we've decided to share a bit of information that Hazō has recently inferred from his time reading Orochimaru's biosealing research projects:

Biosealing is similar to paper sealing, but not so similar that the theory and infusion are the same -- as Kagome said way back when, changing the materials and substrate of sealcrafting also means needing to develop a new theory and practice of the art. Mechanically, Biosealing is its own stat which is single-cost while under Sealing, but double-cost on its own (like two ninjutsu of the same element, but doubled in price).

"Wait QMs, the Orochimaru lootboxes should surely give Biosealing XP!" you say. "Ssh," the QMs reply. "You like having lootboxes, right? And you've already gotten Sealing XP and levels from Orochimaru's lootboxes, right? So, hopefully you won't complain too much about those mechanics we sorted out years ago not fully matching up with stuff we pinned down relatively more recently. And if you do then we will make grumbly noises about how you extracted all the seal-related value already and you don't have the background to get the squishy bit and learning the prereqs would have already covered that part and get off our lawn you obnoxious whippersnapper players."
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If Biosealing is its own stat, it is in my opinion nearly certain that Minatosealing is also its own stat. Maybe doublecost like PS, maybe singlecost-under-sealing like Biosealing, either way I find it vanishingly unlikely that Minatosealing keys off of Sealing directly and benefits from SSA directly.

I'm now fully on board with getting DoB at the earliest reasonable opportunity. The benefit to these various advanced sealing styles more than outweighs the benefit of higher paper sealing.

Thank you very much for this information, many of my anxieties have been assuaged!
Rihaku said:
This seems promising! Considering the feats Arikada was capable of at well-below-Snake Sannin levels of Biosealing, maybe Hazou should pick up Biosealing 20-30 and see what synergies arise?

Or would this require enough other pre-reqs that it's not really worth it?
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If Biosealing benefits from the 1/3 crossover PS has (which isn't a given: being singlecost-under-sealing is already something analogous) then it would be beneficial to pick up maybe 10-20 cheap levels at some point to reach a solid chuunin-tier score in the discipline and see where that leads.

But it's not something to consider now, when our available time (and thus XP) is so limited. I'm also more worried about the expense, in XP and pyramid stats, of meeting the prereqs. We may have medical lootboxes to dig through, but I think that doesn't get us all the way to the Biosealing unlock point, and also pushing medical stats above our core combat stats just for the least of the advanced sealing arts would probably be a misplay.

So, it's on the shelf somewhere, for a rainy day when our build is in better order and we have time to explore instead of exploit. But right now, as Zapman says, it's time to lock in on runes.
 
Rihaku said:
This seems promising! Considering the feats Arikada was capable of at well-below-Snake Sannin levels of Biosealing, maybe Hazou should pick up Biosealing 20-30 and see what synergies arise?
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The XP and prereqs would be sufficient reason not to pick it up right now, but it also sounds like availability of experimental subjects can be a limit on one's biosealing research. Not that there aren't ways around this, but I still expect Hazō, with less stomach for human experimentation, to get less impressive results than Arikada from a given level of Biosealing skill.
 
I don't think we'll pick up Biosealing anytime soon, because we have the other "Maybe only one other person has ever discovered this" ultra rare sealing paradigm to pick up first, some TH stuff to do, and maybe some medical stats that need buffed up.

And yknow, we need to level combat stats and socials heavily in the middle of all that.
 
eaglejarl said:
And if you do then we will make grumbly noises about how you extracted all the seal-related value already and you don't have the background to get the squishy bit
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*grumbly noises back*
I also don't think they will pick biosealing, what whit the ethical concerns and the fact that orochimaru is alreading mining kohona for all it's worth.
 
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Zampano said:
The physics-based advantage of researching Gamma lasers instead of just an optical death ray. I'm troubled by what happens if Hazopilot overrides the safety measures.
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AFAIK the advantages of gamma (or x-ray or whatever) are that it would be invisible (depending on power level), less clear what's happening to someone who sees the results but isn't hit, lethal at lower power levels, and go through (some) cover. The disadvantages are that it would be dangerous to research since Hazō doesn't know the right safety procedures, and quite possibly have a higher TN.
 
Rihaku said:
This seems promising! Considering the feats Arikada was capable of at well-below-Snake Sannin levels of Biosealing, maybe Hazou should pick up Biosealing 20-30 and see what synergies arise?

Or would this require enough other pre-reqs that it's not really worth it?
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Medknow and Mednin are prerequisites to make paper seals that do medical stuff. The sterilization jutsu is Baby's First Medical Ninjutsu, but is Hard AF to accomplish without any prior knowledge of medical ninjutsu --like how genjutsu seals are extremely difficult to make without knowing how to cast genjutsu.

So raising Mednin and Medknow on its own would allow us to make things like a Room Sterilization Seal, a Medical Goo-Cast seal, and whatever else we can think up.

We also know that Zombies are Basic Biosealing, according to Orochimaru when we told him about Arikada. So we could make bio-golems from chakra beasts.

Might even be able to cook up some gargoyle-esque estate defenses with ES-statues, biosealed nervous systems, and a runic chakra battery. Slap a minatoseal that tethers the statues to the runic chakra battery, and boom. Battery-powered, seal-tech robots.
 
OrthernLight said:
AFAIK the advantages of gamma (or x-ray or whatever) are that it would be invisible (depending on power level), less clear what's happening to someone who sees the results but isn't hit, lethal at lower power levels, and go through (some) cover. The disadvantages are that it would be dangerous to research since Hazō doesn't know the right safety procedures, and quite possibly have a higher TN.
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This is correct- for clarity of details, currently gamma has been forsaken since discovery and safety measures are a massive headache. Ionizing UV achieves what we need with relatively little tradeoff and is much harder to accidentally kill yourself with.
 
OK, now that we have a reference for what "different from Sealing but not as different as Lithosealing" looks like (separate skill halfcosted by Sealing), it seems very likely that DoB is the best way to boost both Minatosealing and Lithosealing.

I'm now strongly in favour of saving 100xp for the combination stunt, then buying DoB.
 
DanZapman said:
This is correct- for clarity of details, currently gamma has been forsaken since discovery and safety measures are a massive headache. Ionizing UV achieves what we need with relatively little tradeoff and is much harder to accidentally kill yourself with.
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From what I understand, for UV to be ionizing its wavelength needs to be in the vacuum UV range, which in line with its name is easily absorbed by the atmosphere and only propagates well in vacuum. So that is a non-starter. Near UV (UV-A/B) fares better but is not ionizing so its biggest use is probably in blinding people.

But at that point we might as stay with visible/near-infrared lasers if not going all the way to gamma. They can travel far in the atmosphere with some caveats. They rely on thermal damage however, which ninjas may have some resistance to as part of the generic superhuman resilience package and the existence of fire ninjutsu. And if our power output is limited to the level of current real-life military lasers, it takes a few seconds of continuous tracking on a target to get the desired effect, during which time they can react by escaping or hiding behind cover. Possibly that can be circumvented by turning the laser into a series of extremely short pulses that create an explosion of plasma on impact.

Compare that to a flash of gamma giving fatal radiation sickness through most forms of cover. Of course that applies to Hazo as equally as it does to Akatsuki, but such is the nature of double-edges.
 
Itachi owes Conjura some amount of service and favours, to compensate her for unavoidable sharingan jutsu theft during the Dragon War.

If Naruto/Ruri play things right, Conjura could require a day of Itachi's service on the day of the Rift Battle.

This makes attacking the Rift site much safer, as the deadly "Itachi" card is removed from the deck, and replaced with a "free space".

Even better, when Itachi unsummons, we'll be in prepared ground ready to take him down. And that kind of more controlled fight makes it harder for Oro to unilaterally loot the soul-sword, and easier to keep his eyeballs intact.
 
Eisenhelm said:
I also don't think they will pick biosealing, what whit the ethical concerns and the fact that orochimaru is alreading mining kohona for all it's worth.
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Orochimaru was willing to implant bioseals in us, so maybe he'd be willing to teach his "nephew" some biosealing as well.

RandomOTP said:
So raising Mednin and Medknow on its own would allow us to make things like a Room Sterilization Seal, a Medical Goo-Cast seal, and whatever else we can think up.
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I like the Uplif-ness of medseals, but obviously we shouldn't be researching them now, right?

RandomOTP said:
We also know that Zombies are Basic Biosealing, according to Orochimaru when we told him about Arikada. So we could make bio-golems from chakra beasts.
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Do we think that zombies and/or golems would be strong enough to make a difference against Akatsuki? If not then I think we should save them for later.

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Might even be able to cook up some gargoyle-esque estate defenses with ES-statues, biosealed nervous systems, and a runic chakra battery. Slap a minatoseal that tethers the statues to the runic chakra battery, and boom. Battery-powered, seal-tech robots.
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Ooh, shiny. I like this idea (for after the Akatsuki war).

Left-Hand Mutant said:
If Naruto/Ruri play things right, Conjura could require a day of Itachi's service on the day of the Rift Battle.
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If this were possible it'd be really nice, since the Sharingan's 3s precog could really screw with our traps, but I don't think Itachi would agree to repay the favor on the day that Akatsuki would be opening the rift.
 
I definitely think Orochimaru would be willing to teach us biosealing (though we'd have to purchase it from him somehow). That said, I am very much in agreement with @MMKII that I don't want to trade with Orochimaru anytime soon. We plan on killing Orochimaru eventually and making him stronger isn't going to make that easier.

IIRC, Asuma said that there was a Sarutobi ninja who knew biosealing. Maybe they could teach us?
 
RandomOTP said:
IIRC, Asuma said that there was a Sarutobi ninja who knew biosealing. Maybe they could teach us?
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Ehhh......
Paperclipped said:
"Clans preserve their own histories," Asuma said. "They won't know about the Dragons. Unless you want legends of ancient Sarutobi heroes and traitors, the Sarutobi archives will not help you. In Leaf, the Hagoromo keep the best records of the Sage's life by far. Leaf's last carved-seal expert died in the Collapse with no living apprentices, and Fumi's biosealing knowledge is minimal. Still, good idea regarding Seventh Path histories. I will order Leaf's summoners to give me a report about their clan's histories around the Sage and the Dragons."
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MarsIronPI said:
If this were possible it'd be really nice, since the Sharingan's 3s precog could really screw with our traps, but I don't think Itachi would agree to repay the favor on the day that Akatsuki would be opening the rift.
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Do it the other way 'round and schedule Leaf's attack on the rift site on a day when Itachi agreed to do something for Conjura. Better to not wait until the last day for this anyway.
 
RandomOTP said:
"Minimal" might be enough to teach someone. At the very least, it's worth inquiring about before we go hunt down a mad biosealing cultist (which is not to be confused with the mad blood cultists who hunt down Hazou :V)
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MARI: The Sarutobi Clan is currently undergoing a miniature civil war. I can try to tip the scales, but it'll take a few dozen updatesmonths before things get settled.
 
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