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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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CitizenTen said:
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As in "a bit of both".

CitizenTen said:
But beyond a boss summon can we actually use it for much?
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Shadow Clones, FOOM, Runecrafting, etc.

We're fortunate on this mission to have constant access to Noburi, but it's not guaranteed to always be the case, and we need chakra to do research in parallel with shadow clones, chakra to make the runes, etc. "All of the chakra that Hazou's meatsack gets naturally in a day" is a small amount compared to what we could be expending on any given day.

People suggested that we use Shadow Clones in the combat with the Leopards earlier, for instance, and I agree that the action economy is probably beneficial but the fact of the matter is that we don't have nearly enough chakra to do that either without crippling our actual combat throughput (boosting and Substitution all cost chakra, etc.).
 
Also, there's a chance that if we make an internal chakra battery with Minatosealing, it stays with us when we start the afterlife explorations. The most optimistic idea is that it lasts through our death, so that we have a little bit more time to break out of the afterlife ourselves if Itachi sends us there!
 
Spector29 said:
Also, there's a chance that if we make an internal chakra battery with Minatosealing, it stays with us when we start the afterlife explorations. The most optimistic idea is that it lasts through our death, so that we have a little bit more time to break out of the afterlife ourselves if Itachi sends us there!
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That's a good point in general. It seems like seals that you can craft within your own chakra system might be a more viable research path for actually exploring the rift without dying of the chakra drain and/or getting trapped there.
 
I believe our top 3 build priorities are
  1. PS 30(softcap)
  2. TH 40(minatosealing unlock) and minatosealing 30(softcap)
  3. Taijutsu 50 Athletics 47
I think PS 30 is widely agreed to be the obvious top priority.
I think the ordering of minatosealing vs combat stats is a much more contentious pick, without a clear right answer.

This all comes with the addendum that if/when we run low on substrate and Oro stops selling us more, we'll need to take a pit stop for BoC 30.
 
CitizenTen said:
Thanks! Also, what's the current plan with regards to Minatosealing (Namikaze Minato's Revolutionary Soon-to-be-World-Changing Uber-Sealing Style (Note to Self: Come Back and Name This Later)? Is there something specific we want to do with a seal anchored to our chakra system, or are we just chasing shinnies and hoping it's useful for something?
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Let's also not sleep on the potential held within the latter option ("just hope we find a good use for it"). Recreating the Flying Thunder God is obviously something we could pursue with this, but from all appearances this is a truly busted sealing style with a lot of versatility. It made Naruto's bijuu seal after all, and I just recently made the connection that Minato and his unique OP sealing style could have been relevant to the "happened once in the history of the world and then never again" bloodline surgery that gave Kakashi the sharingan.

(After all, if Minato was involved there would you let everyone know? When his new OP sealing style is supposed to be secret? Better to just say the uber-medic did it.)

But that's just the half of it. The thing I must stress the most about Namikaze Minato's Revolutionary Soon-to-be-World-Changing Uber-Sealing Style (Note to Self: Come Back and Name This Later) is that it is mobile. It's very mobile, extremely mobile, it's the perfect complement to runecrafting. Just think about it! You have the OP sealing style that does impossibly powerful things but doesn't ever move, an you have the OP sealing style that does crazy things and follows you wherever you go. Just being able to have both kinds of effects in our arsenal is a huge boon (Minato's sealing style on the offense, runes on the defense) but the true prize, the ultimate treasure and boundless potential, is if we can manage Minatoseal-Rune interaction.

Imagine. Just imagine. The raw, world-shaking power of runes, coupled with the incredible mobility of a Minatoseal. Not every rune, and not every Minatoseal, but I'm pretty sure we could make dedicated combos with devastating synergy. So when you're say we're "chasing shinies and hoping it's useful for something", I must stress just how much potential is on the table here. Minatosealing on its own was enough to be Minato's S-Rank trick. Runecrafting is just as, if not more, absurdly powerful. Fusing the two together sounds like the shiny to end all shinies.
 
CitizenTen said:
Why do we plan on leveling Taijutsu? I assume if we get within punching distance or try to punch anyone we're dead? What good does it do to level it?
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If the question is "why level combat skills?"; it's because to keep earning xp, we're going to need to fight. A lot.

Right now Hazou fights like a seasoned Chunin(his raw stats are fresh-Chunin, but he has a really abnormally impressive set of buffs/debuffs). This still means that any Jounin can crush us, and running into Jounin is a very real risk.

Buying up our combat stats up an AB gives Hazou a shot against special-jounin and(thanks to crazy resolve to resist Jounin Aura) some newer Jounin. It's not a great matchup by any means, but it puts him in the game. It also means that he can survive the same kind of fighting that Noburi, Kei, and Yuno can, so we can unstagnate together.


If tthe question is "why level specifically Taijutsu as our attack stat?"; it's because we need an attack stat in order to meaningfully fight, we've already significantly invested in this one, and we have bunch of good buffs for it.
 
CitizenTen said:
Yeah. I understand that we need to fight/unstagnate/etc. But aren't we developing seals to do the fighting for us? I thought that in a few weeks/months we're gonna have the equivalent of a death ray and it won't matter how strong we punch. Am I wrong?
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If we take a nap while our magic rock kills people from kilometres away, I don't think we unstagnate.

And setting up the death laser rocks will take a few hours, so it won't always be available.

If we wanna unstagnate, we gotta punch.
 
CitizenTen said:
I thought that in a few weeks/months we're gonna have the equivalent of a death ray and it won't matter how strong we punch.
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Putting aside that unstagnation does require Hazo personally to do his best in direct combat, runes are difficult to transport and take a long time to create and deploy. They excel in situations where we can prepare and choose our battlefield. Typical sealmaster conditions. In other situations, Hazo must do something else and we already have punching as a reliable backup.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Heya EJ it was pointed out in Discord that the existence of paraffin in Leaf implies trade in distilled petroleum products. Something that wasn't really done until the 19th century when they finally got gud at fractional distillation.
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Not sure I ever responded to this...?

Thanks for the pointer, will fix.

CitizenTen said:
I'm kinda discounting those incidents as with a different build both those events seem very survivable.
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Oh? Remember that the attacks specifically targeted Resolve. Failing the bat attack meant falling to instant death and failing the leopard attack meant being frozen in place and helpless for the rest of the fight.

Given that, what build do you think would have worked better?
 
Sir Stompy said:
Now that Hazou has experimented with past-blue HOWs, is he willing to reconsider his experiences with infrared HOWS? He knows that shining a strong light on things makes them heat up - the Sun does this. Maybe it's a special property of under-red that it's good at heating stuff up?

Namely, since he knows that Light Relay can detect light beyond what's visible, is he willing to set up a Light Relay tuned to recieve below-red and output a visible color to test if HOWS is making under-red rather than failing?
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While the argument doesn't quite pass our sniff test, he'd be willing to run the test of making a receiver for past-red on a Light Relay. He still won't make a HOWS of past-red though.

_The_Bomb said:
Can we safely assume that Akane's unusually morbid preparations for her death included creating scrolls for her combat ninjutsu such as Flame Aura?
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Yep.
 
RandomOTP said:
She only had Fireball Inversion at level 10, and Basan's Glide at level 1, but she had Phoenix Rebirth at level 30...

Does this mean that we have a jutsu scroll of PR?
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No, that was a technique she learned under special conditions from Asuma, and Akane was not as casual with treason as Hazou is.

Sir Stompy said:
Would he be willing to put it close to a campfire to see if the heat will trigger the LR? Since that doesn't particularly risk a sealing failure.
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Sure.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I just recently made the connection that Minato and his unique OP sealing style could have been relevant to the "happened once in the history of the world and then never again" bloodline surgery that gave Kakashi the sharingan.

(After all, if Minato was involved there would you let everyone know? When his new OP sealing style is supposed to be secret? Better to just say the uber-medic did it.)
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Here:
Velorien said:
"You can't transplant eyeballs that way," Noburi said. "People have tried. There was that one thing with Captain Kakashi, but Tsunade's never done it again. Cracking that process was one of Dr Yakushi's big projects, but it's hard to experiment without actual Bloodline Limit holders to dissect. Obviously, Captain Kakashi wasn't exactly keen to go under the scalpel."

"The Crows are said to have surgeons far superior to any on the Human Path," Keiko noted. "Given that they are Itachi's summons, it is not inconceivable that they were responsible. Regardless, this is a dead end. I see no way for us to know, short of an interview with Akatsuki, what Pain's powers were and how they were applied to the ritual."
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How many Uchiha die in conditions to transplant eyes? And how often would the Uchiha give it to an outsider anyway?

But sure it was Minatosealing, not the combination of "willing to give eye", "amazing medic", "Crow support", "Uchiha accepting this".

Inferno Vulpix said:
Minatosealing on its own was enough to be Minato's S-Rank trick.
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Why are you dissmising other disciplines so strongly?

Medical ninjutsu made Tsunade and Oro extremely hard to kill.

Minato was also a genius at ninjutsu development and created the Rasengan. And Tobirama with the Shadow Clone is pretty self explanatory.

Were trying to get TH 40 anyway, might as well see on the way if Sealing/TH and Runecrafting/TH yield some interesting results. Maybe we can manipulate the Rune-sealing effects, fine-tuning them for some more special actions.

And considering the Iron Nerve, maybe Hazou could do something there too. But that's probably going to be harder without medical knowledge.
 
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped

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Paperclipped said:
Technique Hacking Rules
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Velorien said:
Any ninja can create a scroll of a technique they know, assuming they have levelled it to at least 20 (though this requirement does not apply to ninjutsu-as-stunts). Technique hackers can create scrolls of a technique they invented at level 10, representing the fact that, unlike an ordinary user, they know exactly which parts are important and why, without any of the errors, superstitions, etc. that creep in when ninjutsu are taught ordinarily through a mostly-oral tradition. Technique hackers receive no bonus with other ninjutsu, since the ability to use the technique and the ability to give clear instructions are unconnected to Technique Hacking; the former is represented by the technique level, while the latter is determined by characterisation (by analogy, it does not take a programmer to explain how to use a program to the end user, nor does programming skill translate into teaching skill).
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RandomOTP said:
@Velorien, @@eaglejarl, @Paperclipped

Pardon the ping, but would it be possible to get this copied/pasted into the rules doc and also the THing Rules informational post? Just for ease of reference?
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RandomOTP said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped

Y'all have said that, should we have any ideas for Jiraiya's Seal Horde, to ping you. And @Kylinger, over in the Discord, had an amazing idea: Jiraiya's Seal Horde should contain a bunch of storage seal/explosive variants, stolen from the people he beat. That way, y'all don't need completely new mechanics or worldbuilding considerations.

Here are some of my personal submissions:

  • Storage Seal Variants
    • A storage seal variant that releases a soft, pleasant chime sound when unsealed
    • A storage seal variant that releases a loud, musical sound when unsealed
    • More activation uses
      • A handful of 225
      • A couple of 250
      • A few 300.
    • A longer-lasting version of Usamatsu's Preserver Seal
      • No duration given for standard (suggestion: 3-6 hours, covers a training block or two spent on paperwork)
      • Improved Version: 12-24 hours (useful for a Jiraiya hiding up for spying/ambush)
    • A small seal chain with progressively less storage-stress.
      • The final seal only generates ~50% less stress. This also has much less activation uses than a normal storage seal (~75 uses, compared to the normal ~200). This means that containers can be made of more fragile/cheaper material.
    • Variants with a larger weight/size capacity, and proportionately less activation uses/more storage stress.
      • A handful of 1.25m/125kg variants (175 uses)
      • Some 1.5m/150kg variants (150 uses)
      • A few 2m/200kg variants. (100 uses)
    • A massive, safe storage seal
      • 50% less storage stress, 2m/200kg limits, but only 25 activation uses
    • The Vault
      • A storage seal with 50% less storage stress, 2m/200kg limits, and 200 activation uses
    • A storage seal variant that unseals items at a different location than the normal (~12cm difference?)
    • A storage seal variant that flings a stored item at combat speed (+3 to RW)

  • Explosive Seal Variants
    • Some severely substandard explosive seal variants that are objectively worse than the standard explosive seal.
      • Seals that are Weapons: 1, Single Target AOE, TN 20, etc. Jiraiya speculates that these were intended to be used as early-research for new sealmasters.
    • Some substandard explosive seal variants
      • Weapons: 3, normal AOE
      • Normal WR, single-target + melee AOE
    • Dozens of explosive seal variants whose only change is that they release a more colorful explosion. Can be folded into any of the other suggestions, as well.
      • While black seems to be the majority (perhaps to imitate the legendary Black Bakushin), there are a still a variety of other colors --silvery grey, neon pink, bright yellow, lilac purple, and YOUTHFUL green, to name just a few.
    • Explosive seal variants that generate tags
      • Weapons: 2, and has an AOE of "single target," but releases a loud bang that causes anyone hit by the explosion to receive a Fragile Aspect relating to hearing difficulty.
      • Weapons: 2, and has an AOE of "single target," but whose explosion emits a bright white light, causing anyone hit by the explosion to receive a Fragile Aspect related to sight difficulty. User gets a free tag.
      • Weapons: 2, and has a normal AOE of "same zone." Generates a loud bang and a particularly bright explosion. Anyone hit by the explosion receives a Fragile Aspect related to sensory overload. User gets a free tag.
      • Weapons: 3, but creates an Environmental Aspect within the Zone about noxious odors. User gets a free tag.
      • Weapons: 4, normal AOE. The explosion is that of bright, burning blue fire. Anyone who gets hit by it receives a Fragile Aspect relating to being burned. User gets a free tag.
    • A 10-seal research chain of variant explosive seals that end in an explosive seal with a Weapons: 5, TN of 50, to dodge. The last few seals have vastly diminishing returns.
    • An explosive seal variant that works the same as standard, but has an AOE of "same zone, and one contiguously adjacent zone." Jiraiya notes that Kagome was, perhaps, not the first person to make Directional Explosives, but that Kagome's version has notable improvements on the one that Jiraiya has access to.
    • The Biggest Boom
      • WR: 6
      • TN 60
      • Same Zone and all adjacent zones
      • The explosion is that of a vibrant rainbow hue
      • Generates the sound of Kagome cackling in the background

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UnFucking Hazou's Build
AB-Edition
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  • Primordial Sealing to 20-mumble​
  • THing to 30-mumble (free with Notes, speed read via SC)​
  • TH 40​
  • Buy Minatosealing Stunt​
  • Taijutsu 50 (please, just one friggin combat stat in the 50s)​
  • Taijutsu 60 (Probably going to be Sealing 60 or ES 60, but I can dream)​
We still need to buy BoC 30 at some point, but for now we have enough runic substrate.
 
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