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So does this mean that if we use SSA on a cycle and then immediately thereafter (read: <1 day) get into combat, we don't suffer the stat loss due to the "Touched by the Out" consequence?
Also relatedly, assuming we are going to have to take the stunt: Are we going to suffer narrative consequences related to our actual Sealing level suddenly dropping by a material amount (e.g., Orochimaru wants us to collaborate on a Sealing project, but we are suddenly dumber than he expected, he decides to vivisect us)?

Apparently I'm terrible at announcements. I edited in the following:


A wild stunt appears! The players have the opportunity (not requirement) to exchange their Summoning Scroll Acolyte stunt for the following. This change would be an in-universe event; we'll work out the details later. It would not involve retconning prior rolls.
 
Apparently I'm terrible at announcements. I edited in the following:


A wild stunt appears! The players have the opportunity (not requirement) to exchange their Summoning Scroll Acolyte stunt for the following. This change would be an in-universe event; we'll work out the details later. It would not involve retconning prior rolls.
Thanks, eaglejarl.

Was wondering if you had an answer for my other question (the first one you quoted)?
 
After the user makes a research infusion roll using the above bonus, they take a Mild Mental Consequence: "Touched by the Out".
  • The Mild Consequence takes a day to heal, and does not heal while the user is engaged in seal research.

With Resolve 62 Hazou can take two Mild Mental Consequences?

So two research infusions and then a day break? Might still not be worth it, but it's faster to decide what to research.
 
Honestly, 104 just feels qualitatively different to me than a score in the mid-80's, much more than the PS difference of mid-70's to mid-80's.
I agree with Inferno Vuloix here. Turning a +24 buff in a doublecost stat into two +12 buffs in two different stats just feels like a substantial downgrade. Even if it also extended into Technique Hacking, I'm pretty sure it's going to end up a much lower equivalent XP.
 
So like, how many technique hackers are there?

Depends on what you count. It's not uncommon for a ninjutsu-spec jōnin to learn some technique hacking, mostly to make tweaks for their own use. It's rarer to find people who specialize in creating jutsu for other people.
Can it be deactivated and reactivated freely? Also, how bright is it roughly? Like within an order of magnitude.

You did not specify that the rune could be toggled in the design so no, it can't. You could research a version that can if you want. It will be slightly harder but not extremely so.

Regarding brightness... optics and light are a complete pain in the butt. We are tentatively going to say that it's at least as bright as the brightest real-world spotlight. We leave it to y'all to figure out what that means, although we reserve the right to change that if it turns out that the brightest real-world spotlight is fission-powered or something ridiculous like that.

Can we choose the flaw upon failure? Can we deliberately take flaws during the initial design of the new technique in order to reduce the TN of the original spec?

No, you cannot choose the flaw on failure. Not sure what you mean by "take flaws during initial design", since that simply means choosing an easier spec.
Wait, then how did Noda's glitched TH roll end up killing Morita? If assistants aren't a thing why would any working TH user be anywhere near another one another, risking harm to each other for zero gain?

Hazō doesn't know. You can ask Noda if you wish.
Hazou completes the Runic HOWS! Within the rune's Zone, everyone is effectively blinded by intense omnidirectional light. The light is white by default but can be tuned at infusion time just like seal-based HOWS. Outside the Zone, the rune's Zone is perceived as a white sphere, providing bright illumination for around 5 zones in every direction. The rune lasts indefinitely.

How far does the "drain" stretch? Does it affect Hazo or a SC if they step into the "drain" zone?

Not sure what drain you are talking about?
@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien how many hours per calendar day did Hazō spend under time dilation? 15? 21? All 24?

It would help us figure it out if you could specify why you need to know. We've already said it was 9 days objective, so what does the number of hours matter?
[Runic HOWS] should suck up a great deal of environmental chakra to operate. Does Hazou notice anything weird when using MS8, or chakrascope near it (acknowledging that he might not be able to see the seals). How about casting jutsu, is that normal?

He does not feel anything different. Chakrascope seals go bananas. MS8 does work but is harder to read due to erratic flows going to and from the Runic HOWS.

@Paperclipped Do the new runes we researched have runic drag? Can the Air Dome Rune be moved after activation or is it fixed?

Yes and no, respectively.
Forcing Kisame to reverse summon and stay on the Seventh Path for a week or so is pretty nice

Hazō's summoning training placed heavy emphasis on one particular point that is relevant here: one way to deal with a summoner is to watch where they reverse summon from, then bury that point in a big mound of solid material. It needs to be a big mound, since the world is willing to shunt you a few meters to find a safe place for your return. Hazō isn't completely certain if this will result in the person dying upon their return or whether the unsummoning will simply fail. He also doesn't know what the minimum density is for the stuff you would need to bury the return point in. For obvious reasons, there hasn't been a lot of experimentation on the subject.
Alright, so I've been thinking about this. Here's the question: does the future sight let him see his future perceptions, or the future of what he's looking at?

Hazō doesn't know.

Also, have Naruto check whether turning on the Sharingan is enough to activate Chakdar. That's a passive observation system that we can turn into a trigger.

Sasuke is not willing to share that information, but Hazou suspects that the answer would be no – chakdar doesn't detect ninjutsu being cast until they're manifested. Assuming that the Sharingan activation is entirely internal, it seems unlikely that it would trigger chakdar.
Was wondering if you had an answer for my other question (the first one you quoted)?
Oops, sorry. Here you go:

So does this mean that if we use SSA on a cycle and then immediately thereafter (read: <1 day) get into combat, we don't suffer the stat loss due to the "Touched by the Out" consequence?
Correct. If you only have a single instance of Touched by the Out and you have no other mental consequences then you would not suffer the penalties for it during combat, even on the same day that you got it.
 
Regarding brightness... optics and light are a complete pain in the butt. We are tentatively going to say that it's at least as bright as the brightest real-world spotlight. We leave it to y'all to figure out what that means, although we reserve the right to change that if it turns out that the brightest real-world spotlight is fission-powered or something ridiculous like that.
How does this look? 1 million lumens (for ease of math), battery powered, gives a fairly good idea of how far the light reaches, etc.
 
We are tentatively going to say that it's at least as bright as the brightest real-world spotlight. We leave it to y'all to figure out what that means, although we reserve the right to change that if it turns out that the brightest real-world spotlight is fission-powered or something ridiculous like that.
Its the top of the Luxor casino IIRC. Relevant XKCD What If. Seems well documented so this is a good choice IMO
 
No, you cannot choose the flaw on failure. Not sure what you mean by "take flaws during initial design", since that simply means choosing an easier spec.
Then my question becomes: can we attempt to make a weaker version of a jutsu (read: choose an easier spec during initial jutsu creation) to lower the TN, then easily beat the TN and get a bunch of refinement points to remove those weaker points?

For example, suppose I wanted to make a version of HLaM that lets you move faster. I could make the jutsu weaker in a bunch of different ways (chakra-inefficient, slow to cast, etc.) that makes the original TN lower, then during jutsu creation I can win against that TN harder. This, in turn, lets me stack more refinement stacks so that I can remove the weaker things I had originally put in.
 
It would help us figure it out if you could specify why you need to know. We've already said it was 9 days objective, so what does the number of hours matter?
It helps immensely with the bookkeeping I'm doing!

Seems like it'd be a lot easier to look at a plan and determine how long he's able to stay in the bubble versus doing that and routinely doing math that can be outsourced to the spreadsheet.

Would something else be easier on your end?

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Hazō spent 15 hours per calendar day under dilation last update, but since we intended to spend as much time under dilation as possible this update and the chapter shows he was actually sleeping in it, I'm just going to enter "24" as a placeholder number. Let me know if something else would be more accurate!

 
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Its the top of the Luxor casino IIRC. Relevant XKCD What If. Seems well documented so this is a good choice IMO
After some discussion on the Discord, I want to try and clarify something for simplicity. The Luxor sky beam is definitely the most powerful manmade light as far as sustained output goes (some lasers and nukes are brighter but those produce brief pulses) and its beam is:

The beam originally measured 42.3 billion candela,[56] and shone seven miles (11 km) high.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Are you comfortable deciding that the total output of runic HOWS is such that, if we construct a parabolic reflector like we planned for a while and like what the Luxor uses to focus its beam, the focused beam would have the same output as the Luxor sky beam?
 
EDIT: I am also very confused about how these two principles coexist/interact and hope for more clarification on that matter.

I figured that "repeatedly hacking the same technique over and over again" refers to attempting to game the system by spamming research periods on successively better versions of (for arguments sake) Fire Dragon Bullet, and that the takeaway of the bulletpoint there is "the gains from veterancy do not at all outpace the increasing difficulty TNs from attempting to craft a mega jutsu".

I had a similar question as to whether this also applies to Tweaks of a jutsu, i.e. whether or not it would in general be more difficult to attempt to get a third Earthshaping Tweak ("it is faster and more efficient but only works on quartz")that was independent of the first two Tweaks ("It only moves stuff around, but much more efficiently"+ "It is very good at making intricate carvings quickly, but only on granite").



Jiraiya's Awesome Dawnbuster Legacy Rune

Runic HOWS was bright, but can we go even further beyond? Of course we can, we're Clan Gouketsu. More power!

A rune that emits as much light as Hazou can make it while still being well within his capabilities. Named as a tribute to Jiraiya. Add in an activation/deactivation toggle if Hazou thinks it isn't going to massively increase difficulty.
 
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Jiraiya's Awesome Dawnbuster Legacy Rune

Runic HOWS was bright, but can we go even further beyond? Of course we can, we're Clan Gouketsu. More power!

Runic version of Jiraiya's Awesome Daybright Lantern. Add in an activation/deactivation toggle if Hazou thinks it isn't going to massively increase difficulty.
Jiraiya's Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Hazō Rune

Does exactly what the seal verson does, only as a rune (and on a much larger scale). Can be useful if we want Itachi to freak the fuck out thinking that we stole the rift back and resurrected Jiraiya.
 
I'd change its operationalization to "a rune that emits as much light as possible while still being well within Hazou's capabilities".
HOWS this read then?

Jiraiya's Awesome Dawnbuster Legacy Rune

Runic HOWS was bright, but can we go even further beyond? Of course we can, we're Clan Gouketsu. More power!

A rune that emits as much light as Hazou can make it while still being well within his capabilities. Named as a tribute to Jiraiya. Add in an activation/deactivation toggle if Hazou thinks it isn't going to massively increase difficulty.
 
Jiraiya's Epic Seal of Awesomeness With A Really Awesome Name That You Have To Say All Of Every Time Or It Won't Work And Also I'll Punch You In The Face, This Means You, Hazō Rune

Does exactly what the seal verson does, only as a rune (and on a much larger scale). Can be useful if we want Itachi to freak the fuck out thinking that we stole the rift back and resurrected Jiraiya.
Yknow, I wish that we had the sheer competence to pull off the gag here.

We have a voice recording of the guy, we have the Army of One seal, and Akatsuki seeing Jiraiya -- the one guy we've seen who could probably 2v1 some of them and win-- seemingly rip his way out of the ether and scream "Boo!" while smirking triumphantly would probably actually fuck with them for a few seconds.

I just don't think we'd be able to pull it off with Itachi around.
 
Yknow, I wish that we had the sheer competence to pull off the gag here.

We have a voice recording of the guy, we have the Army of One seal, and Akatsuki seeing Jiraiya seemingly rip his way out of the ether and scream "Boo!" while smirking triumphantly would probably actually fuck with them for a few seconds.

I just don't think we'd be able to pull it off with Itachi around.
I mean, as long as Itachi isn't at the rift site it would definitely freak out the Jashinist contigent. Make it even crazier if we manage to Army of One him showing up from the actual rift location itself.
 
Sasuke is not willing to share that information, but Hazou suspects that the answer would be no – chakdar doesn't detect ninjutsu being cast until they're manifested. Assuming that the Sharingan activation is entirely internal
I'll note that Naruto can pretty easily figure that out without Sasuke knowing….

Anywho, I thought that Chakdar can detect internal chakra use like chakra adhesion?
 
Its the top of the Luxor casino IIRC. Relevant XKCD What If. Seems well documented so this is a good choice IMO
I don't think this matches the description? Intuitively, an omnidirectional Luxor would blind everyone far, far further out than 1 zone, and provide bright illumination much further out than one zone. (I did not math this, it's just a first take.)

E: actually I think it's also unclear whether that's actually the brightest in terms of radiant intensity? It looks narrow from far away but it also shines out from a pretty big area. Maybe it's not that blinding.
 
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I don't think this matches the description? Intuitively, an omnidirectional Luxor would blind everyone far, far further out than 1 zone, and provide bright illumination much further out than one zone. (I did not math this, it's just a first take.)
Yeah, I like Dan's proposal here:
After some discussion on the Discord, I want to try and clarify something for simplicity. The Luxor sky beam is definitely the most powerful manmade light as far as sustained output goes (some lasers and nukes are brighter but those produce brief pulses) and its beam is:


@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Are you comfortable deciding that the total output of runic HOWS is such that, if we construct a parabolic reflector like we planned for a while and like what the Luxor uses to focus its beam, the focused beam would have the same output as the Luxor sky beam?

You can probably tweak the numbers a bit but yknow, we're probably going to explicitly try for more power on the next iteration anyway. This is a pretty promising attack vector that we can prep our combatants for in advance (Kagome can research the darkness dome tech tree and probably branch out to something we can stick on someones forehead to deal with this), and I'm not sure that Akatsuki will have the requisite seals or equipment on hand to deal with a supped-up version of the Runic HOWS (set to normal or set to Past-Blue), or if they do it'll take time for them to deploy that and waste action economy/resources etc.
 
I don't think this matches the description? Intuitively, an omnidirectional Luxor would blind everyone far, far further out than 1 zone, and provide bright illumination much further out than one zone. (I did not math this, it's just a first take.)
My intuition is that the total power output of the spotlight is spread out across a sphere rather than a cone for the rune, and therefore the blinding effects fade out much faster. Whether the precise numbers would comply directly with the zone specs I am not sure.
 
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