Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Is there any crossover between Seduction skill and TH skill? Perhaps represented by an addition of (Seduction AB) to TH rolls with the use of a buff slot….
Is there any crossover between Seduction skill and TH skill? Perhaps represented by an addition of (Seduction AB) to TH rolls with the use of a buff slot….
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Forcible temporary relocation, specifically for the duration of a natural disaster and with the intent to minimize the number of resultant deaths, almost certainly doesn't qualify as genocide... but deliberately causing the disaster in question is probably still some sort of war crime.
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Y'all notice the 25XP for a 10 day plan? That hurts. I think we need to mix lighthousing up, and I know EJ said that just writing lighthousing is getting harder and harder. I appreciate that current plans are trying to address it somewhat. I just want to provide an alternative.
CCnJ: I've personally been enjoying the lighthousing updates, but the mass amount of prep days honestly have been burning me out, because it seems like there's so much cool stuff that we could be researching, but we aren't, and I wish we were. And if not, at least doing things to help us get to being able to do a bunch of research together, like leaning harder into FOOM, or reading notes more. We're making the QMs think through all these ideas we're spamming but may never research. I really think we need to change tactics here. The new THing rules really seem to prevent that sort of strategy, which I take as a soft indication that they don't want this sort of thing happening with THing. And honestly, I would personally enjoy reading a fighting scene, seeing the new rocket boots in action, and just doing some of the exploring that was so much more common early on. In character, lighthousing as long as we can makes sense, but both my OOC motives, and the mechanics (representing how actual people work and burn out), say we should mix it up a bit. So that's my motivation here, despite not having the creative spoons, and the timing being not ideal, with Kei now actually needing to be on the 7th path. But, I delayed making an action plan last cycle, and regret it, so here we go. /CCnJ
Folks who want to see a couple chapters (and relatively little in universe time) of fighting, hit me up for your preferences. I have some time for plan updating, but very little creative juice this cycle. Though I'll do my best. The current template is, like, 50% meme joke, 25% me wanting us to get into a combat that isn't "just do a combat to do a combat", and 25% wanting to give cool plot hooks. Please, someone else take up the banner for a cool, punchy update. We need the unstagnation, and the break from lighthousing.
Apropos of nothing...
[X] Action plan: Sealing Fieldtrip and Punching ThingsTM
Word Count: tbd, < 300
CCnJ: I've personally been enjoying the lighthousing updates, but the mass amount of prep days honestly have been burning me out, because it seems like there's so much cool stuff that we could be researching, but we aren't, and I wish we were. And if not, at least doing things to help us get to being able to do a bunch of research together, like leaning harder into FOOM, or reading notes more. We're making the QMs think through all these ideas we're spamming but may never research. I really think we need to change tactics here. The new THing rules really seem to prevent that sort of strategy, which I take as a soft indication that they don't want this sort of thing happening with THing. And honestly, I would personally enjoy reading a fighting scene, seeing the new rocket boots in action, and just doing some of the exploring that was so much more common early on. In character, lighthousing as long as we can makes sense, but both my OOC motives, and the mechanics (representing how actual people work and burn out), say we should mix it up a bit. So that's my motivation here, despite not having the creative spoons, and the timing being not ideal, with Kei now actually needing to be on the 7th path. But, I delayed making an action plan last cycle, and regret it, so here we go. /CCnJ
Folks who want to see a couple chapters (and relatively little in universe time) of fighting, hit me up for your preferences. I have some time for plan updating, but very little creative juice this cycle. Though I'll do my best. The current template is, like, 50% meme joke, 25% me wanting us to get into a combat that isn't "just do a combat to do a combat", and 25% wanting to give cool plot hooks. Please, someone else take up the banner for a cool, punchy update. We need the unstagnation, and the break from lighthousing.
Apropos of nothing...
[X] Action plan: Sealing Fieldtrip and Punching ThingsTM
Word Count: tbd, < 300
- Wrap up at current research facility, plan to set out to new location in the south part of Aisu Bay, east of that jutting-out peninsula in Earth Country.
- Explore terrain on arrival, setting up for protection camp and time dialation.
- ??? (We trust Eaglejarl)
- Stumble into combat with sealing monstrosities, fighting them with new sealing loadout.
- Profit (learn about the nature of sealing and Whirlpool).
- If no cool combat is stumbled upon, research Force Blades and CATEARS to finish them (2 day prep, SSA). 4 clone blocks reading sealing notes, 4 clone blocks reading TH notes, rest FOOMing as available during and on rest days.
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What did the Toad Sages say about the difficult of the second project? Was it about as difficult as the Jutsu we ended up doing? Substantially more?
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You're right, my mistake- I misremembered the fifth one as a prohibition against forced relocation. But yes, I checked just now and forced relocation is still a crime against humanity that the ICC punishes. My apologies for bringing up genocide in error but the crime against humanity bit isn't much better, I'd rather avoid that for a variety of reasons if possible.
Unfortunately, as long as people suggest doing things that we would have to deal with the consequences of, said consequences will have to be considered. Fwiw I was mistaken to bring up genocide specifically.
Again?
*looks back through the thread*
Oh. I vaguely remembered something like that happening, but it had mostly slipped my mind or I would have reached out privately. Sorry for pressing on a sore spot.
Sure. I'm not trying to argue that forced relocation is not still bad, I just like precision!
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AGH, I got the math half-right the first time and then got it even more wrong the second time because I accidentally used the formula for surface area instead of volume... only the second time, after I redid the math to make sure I got it right.
Right, just ignore that entire last post and pretend it's only this one:
Air usage per person, per day: 9-24 cubic meters, lets assume 16.
Air dome size: 1 kilometer diameter max, 500 meter radius, approximate half sphere. The lower half of sphere is ground so it has no useful air, and we'll ignore uneven terrain and buildings taking up a tiny bit of volume.
Approximate population inside a air dome: Dunno, lets go with 10,000 people.
Interior area of the dome: (500m)^3 * (4pi/3) / 2 = 125,000,000m^3 * 4pi/6 (~2.1) = 261,799,388 m^3
Air used per day: 16m^3 * 10,000 people = 160,000 m^3 a day
Total time that the air will last: 1,570,795 m^3 / 160,000 m^3 per day = 1,636 days or about 4.5 years.
Air used per day: 16m^3 * 10,000 people = 160,000 m^3 a day
Total time that the air will last: 1,570,795 m^3 / 160,000 m^3 per day = 1,636 days or about 4.5 years.
Now hold on, as mentioned we might not get good mixing. What if it's only the three meters closest to the ground and there's no circulation with the rest?
Interior area of approximate 3m tall cylinder at ground level: (500m)^2 * 3m * pi = 750,000m^3 * pi = 2,356,194 m^3
Air used per day: 16m^3 * 10,000 people = 160,000 m^3 a day
Total time that air will last: 2,356,194m^3 / 160,000m^3 per day = 15 days
Air used per day: 16m^3 * 10,000 people = 160,000 m^3 a day
Total time that air will last: 2,356,194m^3 / 160,000m^3 per day = 15 days
10k people in a quarter of a square kilometer is a lot. It would place Leaf in second place for the list of highest population density cities. And this is without modern skyscrapers or anything. What if we go more conservative, and say 2k people?
Well, we get a figure of entirely long enough for the best case scenario with good atmospheric mixing, and 75 days for the worst case of no mixing.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Hazō spent 15 hours per calendar day under dilation last update, but since we intended to spend as much time under dilation as possible this update and the chapter shows he was actually sleeping in it, I'm just going to enter "24" as a placeholder number. Let me know if something else would be more accurate!
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That's not quite a worst-case air use estimate if you're leaving out fires for food prep and metalworking.
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EJ: *Akatsuki pops up unexpectedly*
HAZOU: "Hidan! Buddy! Thank Jashin you're here; I've been itching to go kill something. Let's go out hunting!"
HIDAN: "Ok!"
I think you've misunderstood the paper you cite a bit. Having read through the first bits of that paper, the 9-24 m^3 figure is the volume of air a human breathes in per day, not the amount of air they use up per day.
I don't know why they've chosen to use gm instead of g to refer to grams, but maybe it's a field-specific thing. Anyway, this changes your calculations a bit:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8672270/ said:
Humans inhale about 8.6-24 m^3 of air per day. Exhaled air is about 5% CO2 so this is 0.43-1.2 m^3 of CO2 per day. (Oxygen consumption won't be relevant till long after carbon dioxide production has killed everyone, so we won't be looking at it here.)
Let's say we have a production rate of k*n + c cubic metres per day, where k is rate per person per day, n is number of people and c is net production/consumption from other sources.
The level of CO2 that causes symptoms is cited as 1000 ppm, but there's a long way from symptoms to symptoms severe enough to be worse than being blown up by Deidara. Let's say l is the threshold level (expressed as a fraction of the air and hence assuming no changes in pressure), and v is the volume of air we're dealing with. Then the time to the threshold is:
The full volume of the hemispherical air dome is:
Plugging in the numbers, we get that the time to the 1000ppm threshold for a 500m radius air dome with atmospheric mixing, containing 2000 people with an oxygen consumption rate of 20 m^3/person/day carbon dioxide production rate of 1 m^3/person/day (to go on the high end), and with no other consumption or production, is:
Let's say we have a production rate of k*n + c cubic metres per day, where k is rate per person per day, n is number of people and c is net production/consumption from other sources.
The level of CO2 that causes symptoms is cited as 1000 ppm, but there's a long way from symptoms to symptoms severe enough to be worse than being blown up by Deidara. Let's say l is the threshold level (expressed as a fraction of the air and hence assuming no changes in pressure), and v is the volume of air we're dealing with. Then the time to the threshold is:
LaTeX:
\[
\frac{v \cdot l}{k*n + c}
\]
LaTeX:
\[
\frac{2\pi}{3} \cdot r^3
\]
LaTeX:
\[
\frac{\frac{2\pi}{3} \cdot 500^3 \cdot 0.001}{1*2000 + 0} = 130 \text{ days (2 s.f.)}
\]
Edit: Also, it'll actually be less than that, because there will already be probably-about-300 ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it'll be more like 4.6 days for the 1000ppm time.
Edit 2: As it turns out, my correction was also wrong, because I unthinkingly typed in air inhalation as the value for carbon dioxide production. Assuming I've got it right this time, it comes out as 130 days for the 1000 ppm threshhold, or ~2600 days for the 20,000 ppm threshold; comfortably enough time in either case. Without mixing, however (using the 3-metres-off-the ground figure) it comes out as 1.2 days for 1000 ppm, and so ~24 days for the 20,000 ppm threshold.
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[X] [prep day] Pure Force Dome
[X] [prep day] Fume Emitting Rune
A rune that spews out non-breathable fumes.
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They didn't provide any analysis. They just listened to the proposals, picked the one that sounded "least likely to have Noburi whine at us because you messed up and melted your chakra coils", and then went off to lunch.
HIDAN: That's my boy. Now, I hear you've been doing weapons research, so pick the most destructive thing you've got, and let's go!
HAZŌ: [gazes at island littered with runes of apocalyptic devastation]
HIDAN: Can't decide? Let's let Lord Jashin pick.
Would you like to roll a new setting?
Sure thing! Let's go with the 2003-2009 Generation 3 run of My Little Pony.
Did Fukasaku have anything to say when we showed him Minato's notes?
[j] [prep day] Ouija Board Rune.
Some of them don't need to breathe (Konan, Hidan, Sasori) others can't be trapped (Kisame, Itachi) seems like the only one who'd be inconvenienced by this is Deidara, their least threatening member.
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Oh, whoops. I did make a mistake but it wasn't quite that. I read that part and realized that that was just total breath volume, and that it would only be useful for a pessimistic scenario where you don't want the air to be re-breathed more than once. And that in actuality you could go longer.
But then I forgot that part, and while making the proper post with both pessimistic and optimistic calculations I forgot to stop being pessimistic about that one part.
My bad.
edit: Hmm. You raise a really good point though. I didn't realize at all that the CO2 concentration in exhaled breath is so high that the amount of safe 're-breathes' is less than one. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Alright, so I've been thinking about this. Here's the question: does the future sight let him see his future perceptions, or the future of what he's looking at? That is, suppose that:
- At T = 0, he's looking at some area A.
- At T = 15, he turns 180 degrees and starts looking at the area B.
- At T = 30, he closes his eyes.
Another angle: if someone casts a genjutsu on Itachi while Itachi is running future-sight, does Itachi get future visions of the genjutsu, or does he see what the genjutsu-caster would be doing in reality while the genjutsu is active? Does the future-sight predict Itachi's future perceptions, or the ground-truth future of the objects in Itachi's current field of vision?
Either possibility has its loopholes. But the bigger one is if he sees the future of the spatial volume he's looking at: then we can circumvent his future-sight by e. g. discontinuously teleporting him into an ambush. Maybe a rune could do that. (E. g., a space-pocket variant which grabs you, dumps you into the pocket, then sets off a TN400 explosive in there.) And I'm getting the vague impression that it's the variant the Uchiha actually have, going off the way Sasuke phrased things here (the focus on clouds-of-possibilities around objects, not future perceptions; i. e., the future PoV is "centered" on objects!).
I suggest we ask Noburi to ask Naruto to ask Sasuke about this detail (maybe by running the genjutsu experiment). @Sir Stompy?
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I don't think that has made it into a plan yet. TH training first, then *new paradigms of sealing* afterwards. As a treat.
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Also, have Naruto check whether turning on the Sharingan is enough to activate Chakdar. That's a passive observation system that we can turn into a trigger.