The Bueno Nacho DC is so high because it's a near-fruitless venture. It's more complex than taking over megacorps that dominate the world. Neither Kim nor Ron are gated behind it. Part of it is for the meme that Bueno Nacho is the worst thing ever, but it's not entirely useless so I haven't removed it. It's not going to be as useful as some of you think it is.

Edit: don't take this to be implicit or explicit confirmation that either Kim or Ron are alive or dead, only go off of the material in the threadmarks for that.
Gotta be frank, that's really disappointing. It's an impossible DC without a huge amount of effort for little apparent payout. It's a trap option. I've honestly lost some respect for you over that MiH.
 
Gotta be frank, that's really disappointing. It's an impossible DC without a huge amount of effort for little apparent payout. It's a trap option. I've honestly lost some respect for you over that MiH.

It's less a trap option, and more a joke option.

If it were a trap, he wouldn't exactly have come into the thread and told you how to avoid the trap, now would he? ;)
 
It's less a trap option, and more a joke option.

If it were a trap, he wouldn't exactly have come into the thread and told you how to avoid the trap, now would he? ;)
A very fair point. But I still want to assign Hego to this if we don't have anything for him to do, since Do Good Deeds has started getting stale (and personally, I doubt Hego's going to uncover the truth about Kat by saving cats out of trees)
 
And yet the other "joke options" got cleared away. Setting an action with such a high DC sets certain expectations. If all it's there to do is to be a meme or to waste actions, it's a trap option.
It's a joke option with some gain. The ones that were cleared away were joke options with no gain. That's why it hasn't been cleared away; because we can still get something out of it
 
And yet the other "joke options" got cleared away. Setting an action with such a high DC sets certain expectations. If all it's there to do is to be a meme or to waste actions, it's a trap option.
It does do something, probably related to Hego.

There does not exist a Bueno-Nacho-related reward great enough to warrant a DC of 425, so it was never worth seriously investing in. Maybe if the Manage Bueno Nacho action knocked 50 off the DC or something, but 5? Obviously not going to happen, unless unrelated research brings the DC down to the point where it's not prohibitively expensive to attempt. If we went all-in on Bueno Nacho anyway, for reasons other than the meme of it, that's frankly on us. Now we just have confirmation that it's a not-worth action that does something rather than a not-worth action that does nothing.
 
Not every single option you take is going to lead to unqualified success. It's why I gave you a chance to [ ] Take Toffee's Offer or [ ] Reach out to Judge Doom. And yes, it does have some gain, which is why it hasn't been removed.
 
And yet the other "joke options" got cleared away. Setting an action with such a high DC sets certain expectations. If all it's there to do is to be a meme or to waste actions, it's a trap option.

With all due respect, it was kept on because it wasnt reasonable to pursue. Bethesda was kept off bc its dc was low enough that we might gi for it. Notably dooms contact dc is 300+ and no one thinks it's more useful that any of the other comtacts.

DC is a matter of difficulty, not reward.
 
Very tentative plan for September/October 2016:
[M]: Outfit PMC with energy weapons (Norm Prime)
Should improve defensive stats, and will hopefully reduce the DC of [ ] Reorganize your PMC

[D] Reach out to Shego (Mirage), Reach out to leaders of the Zaibatsu (TECHNOR).
I want to see us start developing relations with our neighbors. The Zaibatsu in particular might be of assistance with Doom - I've noticed that the DC for reaching out to them has decreased considerably since we started going after him. Mirage on Shego because they know each other and should relate well, TECHNOR on the Zaibatsu because... well, he's a supervillain with a specialization in diplomacy. His and Doof's bonuses alone put the action at +38.

Dinosaur Farming (Wile E. Coyote), Develop a social media platform (Janus Lee?), Improve Recycling Programs (LOVEMUFFIN).
DInosaur farming should help with our food and income situation, while the social media platform with income and PR and holding the line against Encom. Recycling programs to keep LOVEMUFFIN busy and also improve our income. And to stay GREEVIL! Alternately, we could take a hail mary and go for Castle Doofhawk.

Will vary depending on the Star and Marco and Toffee investigation results. I would like to have Russ go to LA to handle something, take advantage of Doom's maluses. I'd also like to hire Dickens to spy on audit our employees.

[L] I'd like to decentralize our Normbots, remove that weakness. Other than that, I'm up for just about anything. Most of the Learning options look useful.

[O] Create Magical Defenses (Kitsune). After Kalabar waltzed in, it's obvious that we need to patch that hole in our defenses. I think this is a high-priority action.

Quest: Auction
Doofenschmirtz
Vanessa
Max
Janna
Has been hashed to death, self-explanatory.

Quest: One Man's Trash
Ludivine
Queen Lizzy
Hego
Monogram

This has been in our queue for a long time, and I'd like to get it out of the way. We need intel on the great trash heap on our border, and IC we have no clue about the threat posed by the Axiom. It should unlock a ton of options for us. I want Ludivine as the leader, as it is a mission to collect data about the anomaly in the heartland of America. Queen Lizzy and her ants should be of use, Hego to serve as the team's muscle, and Monogram to perform a security assessment of the location. It's a Learning/Martial-heavy team, suitable for fighting and dissecting robots.

If at all possible, I want to give Goofy and Genghis a break next turn - they've both been on overtime. Let Goofy garden or work on his degree, and have Genghis finally get his new steed. Poor guy must have been languishing without a steed from which to fight.
 
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You know, I just realized. If we go by @AProcrastinator ocastinator 's omake's idea that physics deals with matter and magic deals with ideas, then most of Doof's inators are magic, or at least magitech. Some of them are more-or-less possible through conventional physics, but really, he's got an inator to destroy Love. You don't get more conceptual than that.

And I got to thinking, what if Doof had a wild talent for magic that he just canalized through "inators"? Because the inclusion of a needless self-destruct button, the inability to make the same thing twice, those seem to be almost like ritual components.
 
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Gotta be frank, that's really disappointing. It's an impossible DC without a huge amount of effort for little apparent payout. It's a trap option. I've honestly lost some respect for you over that MiH.
He has said overthrowing the government would have a DC 300 for a frame of reference for how bad the restaurant is. It's a joke and it's set so high it would take a crazy amount of effort to accomplish. He kept telling people this, but they keep wanting to try. It's hard to call it a trap. It's a joke people keep taking seriously.
 
You know, I just realized. If we go by @AProcrastinator ocastinator 's omake's idea that physics deals with matter and magic deals with ideas, then most of Doof's inators are magic, or at least magitech. Some of them are more-or-less possible through conventional physics, but really, he's got an inator to destroy Love. You don't get more conceptual than that.

And I got to thinking, what if Doof had a wild talent for magic that he just canalized through "inators"? Because the inclusion of a needless self-destruct button, the inability to make the same thing twice, those seem to be almost like ritual components.
And P&F have it too.

Some of Doofs creations are non-canon, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's probably one of them.
Ehh, just fuck with oxytocin response or something. That's just brain chemistry.
 
Also, I don't trust weredrago2. Half of what he says is in ignorance, and the other half is to mess with people.
Ow. You wound me. I'm very knowledgable about the game setting and Disney lore, but I can't always be forthcoming about DoofQuest because of my involvement with the behind-the-scenes stuff.

That isn't even including the list of things I'm not allowed to talk about at all. I feel like I need to run a lot of my posts on here through MiH because I could flip things over or drop a major spoiler by mistake.
 
Question guys. If we reached out to the Zaibatsu, would we be given a sub option if we succeed to vote for which one of them we reach out to?
 
We have dinosaurs, if ever there was a mount fitting a true conqueror, it would be an apex predator.
{insert sarcastic rant about how Tyrannosaurus Rex may have been a scavenger}

Speaking of dinosaurs, if we do dinosaur farming we should stick to smaller ones around the size of turkeys, maybe sheep and pig sized at the largest. Large animals the size of cattle or greater are very ineffient at converting fodder into edible meat, so farming them in bulk would go against our Greevil philosophy. Also the meat from smaller livestock tastes better fite me beef lovers so might be the same for dinosaurs? Ehh, probably will taste like chicken, which I guess is quite good.

On topic of Bueno Nacho: While it would be cool to eventually show off our power by repairing the unrepairable and making a good restaurant out of that grease pit, that day is a LONG way away and until then it will just be obnoxiously clogging up the already-too-long list of possible options.
 
I thought the user had to go through?

even if he doesn't that's still opening a portal into the middle of an enemy base that might over run you.

Toffy doesn't seem to have a great deal of mundane explosives. Nor should he have a great deal of learning heroes as a primarly Ocult king.also you realize the building we're usually in has had more explosions happen in it then most bomb ranges? It'd probably take a medium yield Nuke to level the building.
Heinz Doofenshmirtz, deadpan: "Oh no. An explosion. In my building."

Wile E. Coyote: "Whatever shall we do, sir?"

Sigh... You're making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

We know something bad is coming. It might be nice of us to warn the people we seem to be getting along with about it.

It doesn't have to be super detailed, or be something they have to act on, or something we need to reveal sources on.

Just, hey I've gotten a cryptic warning something bads coming this year. Just passing that on since we're allies. Hope you do ok with whatever it is. If you need help with anything give us a call.

The only person I'd go into any detail with is Xanatos since he knows magic stuff.
OK, but get ready for Shego to either:

1) Completely ignore our cryptic warning of generic "bad stuff coming" and give us no credit when it turns out we were right, on the grounds that such a vague warning is basically a cold reading tactic in a place as screwy as DVV America.

2) Heed our warning and react in a way we don't like, because with only "something bad will happen" to go on her idea of how to prepare may not align with ours. For instance, she might ramp up (or form an alliance with) the drug ring because superpower-enhancing drugs sound like a GREAT way to prepare her population to handle any incoming trouble.

3) Take our warning seriously but ask a lot of questions we'd prefer not to answer.

In the unlikely scenario that the opens the portal right next time to someone and that someone's first instinct is to rush through an opaque portal to try and wrestle the portal opener for the scissors (I think only Hugo would be that impulsive), he could just blast them and take the scissors back.
In a scenario where Toffee thinks attacking us is a good idea, he probably knows that we know about dimensional scissors. Given just how valuable those are, any of our high-Martial or high-Intrigue heroes would probably seriously consider trying to steal them from the wielder.

We litteraly have blueprints and how to guides. And we don't get that tech we need to research it with high DCs. If he can skip research as he pleases I'll call bullshit. He is at best getting two techs a turn if he's pushing scientific advancement really hard.
To be fair, the trick here is that we're pretty much inventing technology from scratch, stuff that's cutting-edge and cannot be had just by paying money for it.

If Toffee wants to arm soldiers with ordinary guns, flamethrowers, or other similar weapons, he doesn't need to invent those things himself. "Arm your monsters with a shitload of AK-47s" is almost certainly a Martial or a Stewardship action, not a Learning action.

We've never seen anything that just let's us buy new tech for free. I don't see how he gets to cheat the system.
That's because DEI already owns all "normal" tech for the civilization it lives in. If we want to buy an ordinary gun that fires bullets, we just do. We don't have to research cars or cell phones; we already have those and can buy more from all over the place.

But Toffee can buy those things too. There might be an action required to train his followers in the use of such devices, sure! But making that happen is nowhere near as hard as reverse-engineering entire new categories of AI that work on principles we didn't know until literally six months ago.

I mean, you can just hire firearms instructors in America? It might be harder to find one who won't talk about the fact that the trainees aren't human... but Toffee seems to have the means to deal with that problem, or his monsters would be almost irrelevant on Earth due to inability to operate in the open.

Yeah a one off thing not suddenly upgrading from no weapons to mass proliferation understanding and utilization of modern arms and armor fitted to work for extremely non human body types .

that shit requires Learning actions and a lot of them.
He's been active on Earth for at least two years; do you really think he hasn't been willing to put in the time and effort? If this were Toffee Quest, would we have left those actions unattended to?

Also, the DC on those Learning actions is almost certainly much lower, simply because a machine gun is simpler technology than an AI or a fusion reactor.
 
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