- Location
- In The Shadowbear Slave Camp
MIH said they were writing that up when I asked on Discord.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- USA
We have a few people who might support us if we ask them to sponsor the ride along and beat down Doom. Shego for one and Xanatos for another as he has invited us to the magic auction.
We would not even have to hijack it to much either, just point out that Toons can be Heroes too. Small steps towards a larger goal.
We would not even have to hijack it to much either, just point out that Toons can be Heroes too. Small steps towards a larger goal.
Light
A world without Light would be Dark.
- Location
- United States
I thought that there already were Toon heroes, they would just generally be "indisposed" due to Doom and this setting's condition. Besides that, Toons are irrelevant to the act, as only Supers are affected by it.
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- Location
- USA
I am not terribly up to date on the state of the world within the setting, so someone with better knowledge than I would have to speak on the topic of Heroic and Villainous Toons. Surely not every Toon got the dip.
Edit: If we get a Toons provision added to the repeal of the SRA we would be able to hit Doom's reputation every time he tries to dip a Toon.
Edit: If we get a Toons provision added to the repeal of the SRA we would be able to hit Doom's reputation every time he tries to dip a Toon.
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- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Everyone who has certain priorities for next turn: *Making arguments and continuing them*
Me, an intellectual who already knows what I want Doof to do for next turn: CURSE YOU ACTION PRIORITIES!!!!
Me, an intellectual who already knows what I want Doof to do for next turn: CURSE YOU ACTION PRIORITIES!!!!
Light
A world without Light would be Dark.
- Location
- United States
Quite simply, actual heroes are rare.
This is a setting where the bad guys won against their heroes, and while that can happen in a way that the heroes survive... the heroes necessarily have to have survived in a way where they are unable to beat the villain.
Toon Heroes are going to be rarer because,
1. Toon Heroes are simply rare. I haven't actually heard of more than one inside this thread, and a lot of them are likely to be excluded from this setting. This is Doylist reasoning.
2. Doom should be targetting Toon Heroes, simply because that is in line with how he does things. This is Watsonian reasoning.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Also, Negaduck.
Buying the digitizing laser is not a bad idea at all.
Using the digitizing laser on an experimental basis is not a bad idea.
Actively pursuing a campaign in cyberspace that requires us to spend resources and National Actions on conflicts with powerful cyberspace factions is very much a bad idea. I don't want to end up fighting a five-front war, y'know? And we're trending that way.
Yeah. Especially since we want to be on functional terms with Shego and the SRA is part of her depressing backstory even if she doesn't really think of it that way.
Doof may not be a politician, but he's not going to disrespect someone's backstory like that.
1) He's a relatively sane and influential King, and we need all of those we can get.
2) He's making significant progress on fusion research, and I'd like to share/collaborate with him on that if possible.
[grunts]
Good point. I don't think we can afford to fight them, but we should at least know what they're doing so we can protect ourselves.
Now that you mention it, if you want to achieve something that no logical process could analyze or understand, and that cannot be reproduced by any means, but that you only need ONE OF, like a social media platform... Phineas and Ferb might be your boys?
@Made in Heaven , would "Big Ideas" fire for the social media action? I'm honestly tempted.
Mojave
BWAAAH
- Pronouns
- He
Oberon, most likely. He's the only one in the show who actually manages to threaten Xanatos.
- Location
- the Netherworld Dood
Two fronts at most and only one of them is predominantly martial.
the cyberwar can be fought with learning/stewardship
the Doom war can be fought via intriuge and Fiplomacy
the Toffy war can be fought martial and Occult.
that's if they all go hot at once.
the cyber factions are busy fighting one another trying to go after Doof leaves the other open to fuck their shit up.
Doom we're leading his spy network around by the nose and if we continue having Russ over there to cause mayhem and the local resistance that was already fighting him and a competitor? He's not in a position to fight us.
our main theart is Toffy.so I will agree we should focus on him for now
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Doof's first mistake was choosing to be a drinker of that filthy mudwater called "Coffee"
I'm not arguing against your greater idea. I just want to point out, since I've seen this singular point thrown around before, that it is objectively false. Doof does take secession seriously. That is explicitly the reason why the "rejoin the US" option has such a high DC. He still pays taxes because "take over the Tri-State Area" was just a vaguely defined step 1 of a world domination goal that he didn't really think through.
In summary, Doof is taking it seriously but in the sense that he really wants it, not in the way that he did his best to plan ahead what accomplishing his goals would look like.
"Mom, Phineas and Ferb are building a social media platform!*"
"Yes, dear it's part of their internship with Dr. Doofenshmirtz. Look, they even got an award."
"Dr. DOOFENSHMIRTZ!!!!!!"
*Ironically one of the projects she can find out about while grounded to the house.
Note: Edited for clarity.
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Mojave
BWAAAH
- Pronouns
- He
Well, yes, but that means we're spending all of our actions on fighting kings rather than self-improvement.
- Location
- The great frozen north
I'm gonna need a source for the physical servers being unsecure. In any case though, a meatspace operation sounds like a good idea. Only question is if we can do it without looking like we're going secesh.
Hmm, on the topic of cyberspace, I wonder if we might pop down to Litwak's Arcade at some point, in meatspace or cyberspace. It's on Route 83 which runs north-south from Texas to North Dakota, and the northern part of that area was replaced by the Tempest Domain, so it's probably in Sheego's domain. Given our rivalry she probably won't just let us buy out the arcade (which would be risky otherwise, according to DVV canon it's fallen on hard times), so some diplomacy may be needed to interact there.
Actually, what IS up with the Tempest Domain and their long-named robot ruler? They have a long border with us but I don't think we've ever interacted with them.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
Could the digitizer be a viable way to take Bill Cipher? Shove him into cyberspace, reduce the amount of bullshit he can pull, delete him, destroy the hardware?
Mojave
BWAAAH
- Pronouns
- He
Assuming it reduces the amount of bullshit he can pull and doesn't amplify it a thousandfold.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I'm all for dropping any focus on Toffee for the moment. Until such point that we actively recruit - or make public connections with - Star and maybe Marco, we won't really have his specific attention. That said, we really should dedicate an action to looking for them in the coming turn. We specifically (and I believe unanimously) voted the option for promising that we would to Janna, which has in turn set expectations that we need to fulfill.
- Location
- The great frozen north
Airgapped network? Though who knows what BS Bill can pull.
- Location
- the Netherworld Dood
in theory it could hypothetically be used the same way the memory eraser gun could be used against him AEE he goes into the cyber space we delete the cyber space and he goes with it.
That's it Siri sure but in practice it's going to be very difficult to prove and it would be an all or nothing gambit because it would only hypothetically work once and require him to willingly sit there and take the beam.
They are probably the friendliest king in existence* but are from the future and can't communicate. The DC 200 transmission is them. Currently, I'm thinking AI research might lower than, otherwise, we should start looking for a linguist.
*By virtue of being a teenage spoiled airhead**
**Secondhand info, if anyone wants to correct having watched the show directly, be my guest.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
Can't, they don't speak our language. A pity, because they're actually quite friendly if we managed to make contact.
He's already pretty much omnipotent in realspace, amplifying it a thousandfold is meaningless. Also, Bill seems to be vulnerable to tech, such as memory erasing devices while he's on mindspace. I was thinking cyberspace would work under similar principles, because Bill isn't really technologically inclined.
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- Location
- the Netherworld Dood
that's if they all go hot. The only one that's likely to go hot is the Toffy one.
It had been discussed that we are going to spend the Dickens to look for them. They had the highest intrigue on our payroll and was not a part of our organization, but our personal action so anyone spying on us shouldn't be able to see us searching for Star/Marco.
- Location
- Germany
Definitely something we could think about doing, yes.
^This.
Plus, one thing those either against lobbying against the SRA or rallying for neutrality seem to be forgetting:
We are surrounded by Kronos(pro-SRA)/Olympia(anti-SRA), DrakkTech(anti-SRA), Cloverleaf(anti-SRA, if only most likely to virtue-signal against us) and Zaibatsu(still neutral, but a large percentage of active Capes around), with Calisota (pro-SRA, but botched his lobbying badly) not too far away - meaning that we are *smack* in the middle of an area where Capes are a concrete and present issue.
We *can´t* sit this one out without getting ground to dust between the fronts and *most* of our prospective allies are anti-SRA (or at least decided to throw their influence that way), meaning that in order found common ground for future dealings we need to do some lobbying of our own - of course in a way that doesn´t look too duplicitous in the process.
Do I really have to repeat myself about how plans that have "topple King X" as a minor step are doomed to fail?
There are no "easy" Kings - even Doom with his rather monomaniacal fixation on Toons can, will and does give us a lot of trouble whenever we give him an opening.
Difference that the discrimination against Supers is governmentally *legalised and even mandated* via the SRA, while discrimination against Toons *officially* is not endorsed legally at all (even though assholes like Doom shit on the supposed equality of Humans and Toons) - it doesn´t have the same social weight behind it, you know? Those pro-SRA will technically correctly say, that "discrimination against Toons is unlawful and therefore not subject of this debate, so stop obsessing about it, you deseased lunatic"
That being said, I wouldn´t mind formalizing better national protection for Toons at a later date.
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Xanatos deciding to get into the SRA debate somewhat surprised me, since his holdings are far away from any serious cape presence, as I stated earlier - I expected him to simply sit out things and just watch. That being said, since he chose the anti-side we can cozy up to him without pissing off Shego in the process (Shere Khan going against the grain among the prospective members of our aspired-for *Council of the Semi-Sane* sucks, but we can still mend things with him since he is relatively detached from the issue)
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- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Makes sense. That's the course of action I supported anyhow.
Given that the laser we are probably going to buy is apparently the one that lets people go into digital realms, the ENCOM confrontation seems more like the one most likely to go hot in the short-term. Toffee is most likely to go hot in the long-term given his genocidal ambitions, but he is still establishing a power base and scoping things out right now. He isn't going to declare war on the world yet.
I'd like to note I have no experience with either version of Tron, beyond its appearance in Kingdom Hearts.
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Meeting Xanatos in person is coming up in two turns. I would really like to have completed Toffee investigation before them, so we can show evidence for our claim of "he's a alien magic-space lizardman, not a normal lizardman". Because Xanators is likely to listen to that and would care significantly about a magical threat out to wipeout/enslave forever humanity. We have a golden opportunity to create a stitch in time, get help from Xanatos (one of the few people capable of beating Toffee's intrigue) and it is only possible if we do it right now.
Any other actions, sure, ignore. But getting one of the most powerful kings, and one who is strong in the areas Toffee is and where we are weak, is a godsend.
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