So...

Is there any dispute that if p and f find out we killed perry they will drop the 25 loyalty points and stop working with us?

I think we need to be the person reveling it to them instead of being the person being revealed.

We need to recognize them from that picture of perry we have (was that canon?), talk to major monogram about why they are there with perry, then get Phineas, Ferb, and family together and have major and doof explain the whole situation and sincerely apologize.

If that photo isn't canon then I've got no idea how to connect the dots here and prevent the dramatic damaging reveal that we killed their beloved pet.

Regardless, they will find out somehow and I think it would be better if we got ahead of it.
 
So...

Is there any dispute that if p and f find out we killed perry they will drop the 25 loyalty points and stop working with us?

I think we need to be the person reveling it to them instead of being the person being revealed.

We need to recognize them from that picture of perry we have (was that canon?), talk to major monogram about why they are there with perry, then get Phineas, Ferb, and family together and have major and doof explain the whole situation and sincerely apologize.

If that photo isn't canon then I've got no idea how to connect the dots here and prevent the dramatic damaging reveal that we killed their beloved pet.

Regardless, they will find out somehow and I think it would be better if we got ahead of it.
It'll probably get their organically eventually when we interact with them. Preferably when we have a better relationship. Also I doubt they'll try to become our enemy if we fully explain the situation a strain on the relationship and worst case scenario cutting off contact is possible. But if it comes to that it is their choice.
 
It'll probably get their organically eventually when we interact with them. Preferably when we have a better relationship. Also I doubt they'll try to become our enemy if we fully explain the situation a strain on the relationship and worst case scenario cutting off contact is possible. But if it comes to that it is their choice.

Sure.

I'm just saying it would be better if they found out from us instead of found out about us.
 
Isn't Kalamor's goal to dominate humans not wipe them out, and Toffee didn't exactly say anything about committing genocide on mewmans or humans anyway,

For the record Toffee did do a good thing, by winning he prevented Star from committing a massive fuck up by destroying magic, which I'm sure will kill a lot of magical creatures, or beings of pure magic, which is bad, so ironically Toffee prevented a bad end, so cut him some slack, he unknowingly did a good deed by preventing a accidental genocide from a impulsive teenage girl.

yeah,the whole ''get rid of magic'' when magic is vital to the ecosystems of many realms is like destroying a planet atmosphere to get rid of oxidation

a bit of overkill with genocide flavor added to it
 
We need to recognize them from that picture of perry we have (was that canon?), talk to major monogram about why they are there with perry, then get Phineas, Ferb, and family together and have major and doof explain the whole situation and sincerely apologize.
We have them for just one turn. It's not enough time for all this, and after we will forget about them for whole school year, unless we somehow totally reform education. Like for example digitize children and make them attend virtual school under time dilation for faster graduation.
 
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So...

Is there any dispute that if p and f find out we killed perry they will drop the 25 loyalty points and stop working with us?

I think we need to be the person reveling it to them instead of being the person being revealed.

On one hand yes, but not right now. I'd like to see where they're at in terms of dealing or not dealing with the loss of Perry.

On the other hand, no never ever. Squeeze them for all they're worth, keep them away from anything important, pay for their college overseas, and BURY THE TRUTH.

I have a thought. If we get good enough at magic or get someone good enough with magic maybe have a seance and contact Perry? We can't bring him back but maybe we can communicate with him? A final good bye and closure? Has that been brought up before? The guy has got to have regrets left in the mortal coil.

Anyhow ideally OWCA gave an explanation as to why Perry is gone BUT Stacy suspects Doof and the parents named Kat... Kat so the kids wouldn't get attached to that xeno. All that doesn't bode well.
 
I'm aware. I get that when it comes to random events, the higher they are, the better they are for us, or at least that's the observed trend. I'm just saying, yeah it doesn't really help us, but having two of the greatest toons working together again, making new public material, is just great. Especially how Mickey and Donald have their own MIA storyline going on, it just feels like it really means something for their greatest 'rivals' to be doing something too, even if it's not in the foreground of the quest. It's a really good element that gives a bit more depth to the world. Not to mention what it would mean for the people of the world to see two of the greatest entertainers re-entering the public eye to such a positive reception.

I think this misunderstands the roll.

Because Bugs and Daffy are stars of a rival company, they are traditionally paired opposite Mickey and Donald. In something like Roger Rabbit, company demands will make them paired equally, lest one be seen as above the other. However, this is not true here. This is fanfic, and has no oligcation to make them equally important, and as the first world in the world is Disney, does not care too. Bugs and Daffy are stars yes, once as popular as Mickey and Goofy and Donald, but like, that is likely it. Mickey, Donald and Goofy are out having amazing world-changing adventures, Bugs and Daffy are likely just actors. The needs for mirror importance isn't needed and, given that other WB properties have been shot down, seems actively unlikely.*

In this context we can reasonably assume that the actual roll looked something like this (keeping in mind the random table was developed before we make our pro-toon stance)
56: Pro-toon sentiment increases

And was then fluffed as the Sands performance.

And when he points out we only started lobbying for the SRA after it was clear that's where the wind was blowing like some opportunistic snake what are we going to do? This isn't about saving AP, I actively think lobbying against the SRA is just activating Doom's trap card at this point.

So as for what I'd do if he came after us for not lobbying against the SRA after we'd taken concrete pro-Super actions, I'd say we do nothing, because we'd have taken the bite out of the accusations already, and, ideally, reached out to Shego directly to smooth things over on that end. If possible, we could make some post on Social Media about how we don't need to campaign against the SRA in Doofania, or something like that.

We are still the Diseased Lunatic from Danville. Might as well take advantage where we can.

I suspect Shego will be kinda annoyed if we say we support it but don't lobby. Frankly, I don't care about the public. I care about other kings. And lobbying against tells Shego we can play ball. Heck, I actually want to look like a craven follower, because it means Dev assumes we followed her and Shego's lead and doesns't identify us as someone who needs to go down to restore the act.

I vehemently disagree, if anything just quietly changing our policies without addressing the situation would make us look extremely wishy washy and if anyone asks "why did you only do I think after the others" our response will be a completely legitimate true "We we're investigating to find what the best approach would be not just jumping into it headfirst like some people"

Plus if doing it now was going to backfire Mirage wouldn't have suggested it

EDIT: Also I have to say I really hope that the DC for Campaign against the SRA has been reduced because A) It would make absolutely no sense if it hadn't been and B) It's kind of bullshit to have an action we kind of need to take or risk a lot of bad shit happening have a permanent, unchangable DC of 100
Honestly, I don't care if the DC has or hasn't. At the end of the day, this action isn't one we care if it's successful or not, just that we look like we tried. Remember, this isn't a thing we actually care about, it's all about performance for the other kings.

[Though if it was Doof, probably multiply by a hundred at least; that's insultingly small by billionaire standards even as a gimmick]

This guys, anything less than $10,000 is a direct insult, and frankly, even $10,000 is like throwing a penny in.

Most of the King's had taken their stance on SRA. Discounting Toffee and Doris who is pretty much absent from the News and other King's who couldn't even get in like Galfed and AUTO that means the only Kings who hadn't taken the stance are Zaibatsu, Bellweather, and Us. Even if one of them takes the stance as well next turn it will leave us being recognized as the pair who only coat tailing the other Kings.

All of our allies had also taken the stance as well. Campaigning it now is more of a courtsenal policy at this point and not taking it will only shaken the allience.

Yeah. I don't think looking like someone who is willing to bend to our allies needs is always a bad thing. Let's be craven wind-benders. As I said above I don't think it's not so important that we succeed as it is we tried. Much as I would love to put a Goofy on it (for the PR or having a toon lobbey for it, making it clear we don't consider our toon and super stance separate), he likely makes it to crit-failable, and I don't mind a basic failure here, but a crit fail could blow-back to us. Probably best to put Mirage on it, since it might make her feel better.
 
Yeah. I don't think looking like someone who is willing to bend to our allies needs is always a bad thing. Let's be craven wind-benders. As I said above I don't think it's not so important that we succeed as it is we tried. Much as I would love to put a Goofy on it (for the PR or having a toon lobbey for it, making it clear we don't consider our toon and super stance separate), he likely makes it to crit-failable, and I don't mind a basic failure here, but a crit fail could blow-back to us. Probably best to put Mirage on it, since it might make her feel better.
Neutral stance not in any way worse than "craven follower" position, since it make reaching to Shere Khan and Glomgold easer. It's not making us irrelevant among other Kings, on the contrary it's make us critically important for any possible alliance, since we will have good relations on both sides of SRA debate.
 
Neutral stance not in any way worse than "craven follower" position, since it make reaching to Shere Khan and Glomgold easer. It's not making us irrelevant among other Kings, on the contrary it's make us critically important for any possible alliance, since we will have good relations on both sides of SRA debate.

1. We don't care about reaching out to Glomgold.
2. Shere Khan is a buisnessman, he can put aside a little lobbying.
3. Several other kings are before us on any target list.
4. Bluntly Shere Khan is nice. But
-He isn't Shego, on our borders
-He isn't Dev, on our borders
-He isn't Xanatos, whom we have friendly with relationships with and is the most likely to believe us about Toffee.

If we have to drop him to get those, so be it.
 
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1. We don't care about reaching out to Glomgold.
2. Shere Khan is a buisnessman, he can put aside a little lobbying. I
3. Several other kings are before us on any target list.
4. Bluntly Shere Khan is nice. But
-He isn't Shego, on our borders
-He isn't Dev, on our borders
-He isn't Xanatos, whom we have friendly with relationships with and is the most likely to believe us about Toffee.

If we have to drop him to get those, so be it.

I think the point about Shere Khan is important. This clearly isn't an issue he's welded to, and as he's in a US territory it won't effect him personally. Glomgold is likewise similar: while he might be annoyed, if there's a profit involved he'll get over himself.
 
Most importantly, regarding Toffee.

Shere Khan isn't human. Ditto Bellwether. Ditto Glomgold.

They aren't targets and they are among those whom Toffee is likely to cultivate as potential allies.

Assuming this is Ducktales 2017 Glomgold, he is an absolute idiot, so he may be the new Ludo now that we have refused the role.
 
Also, Do you know where the calculator is located? I just need to know the percentage of a DC 90 roll with a +50 bonus
The Plan and Odds Generator is located on page 501. I think there were a couple updated versions, but I have no idea where those are, so hopefully V1.0 works for you.

And for your case specifically:

90-50 = 40
100-39 = 61

Succeed on a 40+ dice roll, 61% odds of success, presuming no other bonuses are applied.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about being called a follower if only because you'd have to call the Zaibatsu "followers" as well which is ridiculous when the question of supers is just as important to them as it is for Shego.

Add Insuricare and we should be just fine.

Sure, Doom will spit his poison, but then again, it's Doom, he'd spit poison at us no matter what we do.
 
Most importantly, regarding Toffee.

Shere Khan isn't human. Ditto Bellwether. Ditto Glomgold.

They aren't targets and they are among those whom Toffee is likely to cultivate as potential allies.

Assuming this is Ducktales 2017 Glomgold, he is an absolute idiot, so he may be the new Ludo now that we have refused the role.

It isn't. Not that any version of Glomgold can't be swayed by greed.

People keep forgetting about Callahan. His group is on our border too. Actually, they've been very quiet. Too quiet?

He isn't. Dev's territory cuts between his and ours. The Tempest Domain is our northern border, which I'm hoping AI research will make easier to contact.
 
1. We don't care about reaching out to Glomgold.
2. Shere Khan is a buisnessman, he can put aside a little lobbying. I
3. Several other kings are before us on any target list.
4. Bluntly Shere Khan is nice. But
-He isn't Shego, on our borders
-He isn't Dev, on our borders
-He isn't Xanatos, whom we have friendly with relationships with and is the most likely to believe us about Toffee.

If we have to drop him to get those, so be it.
You need other Kings to keep Shego and Xanatos in check. Like with Toffee before we don't know their end goals. You can burn possible bridges now, help them grow in power without limiters, and be left without allies for stopping them later. We don't know what's the deal with Shego and drugs. We now know that Fox died, but how far Xanatos will go to bring her back? If for example he resorts to time travel, it can cause bad end.
 
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What do you suggest dropping so we can attack the SRA? Recruiting Wendy? Or how about reaching out to Shego?

Wendy. I'd like her, but on one turn delay isn't the end of the world. Shego pairs to well with the SRA to drop. We can look into the village idiots buying Lee industries, which will hopefully give us Janus and a Diplomacy hero.


You need other Kings to keep Shego and Xanatos in check. Like with Toffee before we don't know their end goals. You can burn possible bridges now, help them grow in power without limiters, and be left without allies for stopping them later. We don't know what's the deal with Shego and drugs. We now know that Fox died, but how far Xanatos will go to bring her back? If for example he resorts to time travel, it can cause bad end.
Ah yes, because being friendly with Xanatos will let him gain time travel.

This is a insulting 'what if' based out of absolutely nothing. By this argument we should never make any diplomatic contact with anyone.
 
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Given that Xanatos has come out in favor of the repeal, what disadvantages are there to using the Collaborate with Xanatos [SRA repeal] over doing it ourselves? I feel like if anyone could put the spin on the idea that our delay was a calculated response to important stimuli or suchforth, it would be Mr. Just As Planned, and it's unlikely to cost us anything we particularly care about.
 
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