So for our Intrigue slot, do we want to build the ToonTown Railway to build up more Toon relation and possibly a new Hero or do an Espionage on Kronos to prepare for our takeover of it as quickly as possible
Considering that a hostile takeover of Kronos had a DC of ??? last time we saw it, I'm guessing it's still going to be somewhere in the 300s. I don't think we're going to be able to choke down a major megacorp like that after only one crippling blow.
 
Wait a minute, Xanatos also thinks that Shego and Doof are dating! What's the count now? 7/7?

And we just changed her to most respected rival too, further strengthening his conclusion.:rofl:
Xanatos thinks that the 'Most Hated Enemy' was a smokescreen and that Shego and Doof have been in cahoots for months even before the heist.

All the title change is going to do is 'confirm' his suspicions, as the 'smokescreen' is now 'useless' to Doof now that enough Kings know the two worked together.
 
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For those who want extra Diplomacy, we should improve our AI technology if we want that. The current DC 95 and that's reduced by AI research, so if we improve the AI technology more it should further reduce the DC into something we can complete reliably.
Considering that a hostile takeover of Kronos had a DC of ??? last time we saw it, I'm guessing it's still going to be somewhere in the 300s. I don't think we're going to be able to choke down a major megacorp like that after only one crippling blow.
That's why I asked if we should do the Espionage option, to figure out the exact DC and if there is any way we can reduce it or any opportunities we can take advantage of. If the DC for Hostile Takeover is too large then nothing is lost and we do the Railway next turn. If it's not then we can take advantage before they can recover.

Besides delaying the Railways by, at least, one turn there are no downsides in just spending an intrigue slot for Espionage.

Also the crippling blow is the lost of their CEO and their main researcher and inventor. Unless Syndrome showed his employees how to fix the Omnidroid AI or produce his more exotic tech, they're at a standstill.
 
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Something to keep in mind is if the DC for diplomacy is lowered enough a crit becomes more likely. I do not know what a crit in giving us two actions would be bit I personally am hoping it means more actions than two.
 
That is all a fair point. On the other hand, at a bare minimum I don't think we should directly obstruct Toffee without getting a much better sense for how much power he has at his disposal. I don't want to end up in a situation like Judge Doom or like Syndrome is now, where we're stuck in an antagonistic relationship with other Kings who probably have us outgunned.
That's perfectly fair
It'd require more resources but not necessarily more heropower.
True but it also just seems like it'll be a more involved process
However, others have pointed out that there is some risk of Xanatos sending agents to our family castle and taking some of the contents, now that he knows it exists and is a repository of magical lore. So moving it to our territory where we can secure it is still a high priority.
Yeah the way I see it the priorities for Stewardship next turn are:

1) Try and buy Kronos Corp if feasible, though this would ruin Plan Do Both
2) If 1 isn't viable try and buy one of its subsidiaries such as DevTech
3) If we can't do 1 or 2 then relocate the castle
machines that aren't death rays.
aka the boring ones
For those who want extra Diplomacy, we should improve our AI technology if we want that. The current DC 95 and that's reduced by AI research, so if we improve the AI technology more it should further reduce the DC into something we can complete reliably.
Thats one of the main reasons why we stole the Chip though we'll have to spend an action analysing it before we use it for anything
That's why I asked if we should do the Espionage option, to figure out the exact DC and if there is any way we can reduce it or any opportunities we can take advantage of. If the DC for Hostile Takeover is too large then nothing is lost and we do the Railway next turn. If it's not then we can take advantage before they can recover.
As I've argued before owning Insuricare should give us a good idea of how difficult buying KRonos Corp would be

And there's a lot of demand to do Toon Railroad to cut off a growing disaster
 
Considering that a hostile takeover of Kronos had a DC of ??? last time we saw it, I'm guessing it's still going to be somewhere in the 300s. I don't think we're going to be able to choke down a major megacorp like that after only one crippling blow.
Not all ??? difficulties are necessarily that high. For example, our organized crime action had a DC no higher than 120 (since rolling a 61 didn't critfail it)

However, it IS likely true that buying out Kronos will probably be beyond our reasonably achievable means. We may be able to somehow expand at their expense, though.

For those who want extra Diplomacy, we should improve our AI technology if we want that. The current DC 95 and that's reduced by AI research, so if we improve the AI technology more it should further reduce the DC into something we can complete reliably.
Sure, up to a point, but I don't want to wait forever.

That's why I asked if we should do the Espionage option, to figure out the exact DC and if there is any way we can reduce it or any opportunities we can take advantage of. If the DC for Hostile Takeover is too large then nothing is lost and we do the Railway next turn. If it's not then we can take advantage before they can recover.
I think the Toon Railway is becoming too urgent to ignore. We shouldn't throw away a chance to do it just because we might somehow be able to leverage a buyout of Kronos, because I'm pretty sure that even if we did so, we wouldn't end all our problems with Syndrome in one swoop that easily.

Also the crippling blow is the lost of their CEO and their main researcher and inventor. Unless Syndrome showed his employees how to fix the Omnidroid AI or produce his more exotic tech, they're at a standstill.
Syndrome isn't dead, as far as we know. Unless Sinatron is successfully holding him hostage (not a sustainable solution in the long run), he's going to recover. Moreover, given the sheer number of Omnidroids he now has, he can't possibly be doing all the maintenance on them himself. Sooner or later, one of his IT guys will figure out how to get the things to reboot from the factory default settings. Or he'll explain how to do it while stuck in a hospital bed in traction.

True but it also just seems like it'll be a more involved process
Not necessarily. Going to the BnL Wasteland to scout around is conceptually very simple- we just need some vehicles and equipment that can handle the dust, smog, and air pollution. For the resources of a small country and a mad scientist that isn't somehow an insurmountable problem.

By contrast, finding Donald may involve multiple steps. We have reason to think he WAS in the Andes some months ago, but he may not still be there now, or he may be hiding or imprisoned. rescuing him could get complicated.
 
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Not necessarily. Going to the BnL Wasteland to scout around is conceptually very simple- we just need some vehicles and equipment that can handle the dust, smog, and air pollution. For the resources of a small country and a mad scientist that isn't somehow an insurmountable problem.

By contrast, finding Donald may involve multiple steps. We have reason to think he WAS in the Andes some months ago, but he may not still be there now, or he may be hiding or imprisoned. rescuing him could get complicated.
Don't forget that the Andes mountains span multiple nations that haven't been ravaged by magical/temporal/interdimensional/corporate/superhuman/etc forces, so we'd have to contend with moderately functional legal systems and actual civil authority. The amount of firepower we can haul along is greatly limited, as are the actions we can take.

I hate to say it, but the Gridlocked US is like one blown coverup away from being a Failed State. We can get away with launching armed expeditions up here in a way we can't elsewhere.
 
Funny, I kinda remember that it didn't destroy the multiverse even when being cast at the heart of magic by four people working together. It was cast three-times in the show, and never remotely showed the capacity you are claiming, talk or not, so if we want to talk people being dishonestly deceptive, frankly I feel you've been. The first two instances of the whispering spell didn't even come to nuke level but showed an ability to destroy magical artifacts, which is extremely useful, and something that I think is of great interest.

Secondly, the whispering spell was described as the first spell she ever learned, and Toffee's plan required her to learn that it could be used, so ah, highly likely too late for the idea that she doesn't know how to use. Pretending otherwise strikes me as again, dishonestly deceptive.
You should have said you were talking about the whispering spell in the first place. Your description was off since you only said "destroys magic." I assumed you meant the Spell with No Name created by Solaria - which is supposed to continue on forever and eat the multiverse though that plot thread was left hanging by the end of the show - or the unnamed spell that was actually used against Toffee by Queen Moon, though it didn't destroy him so much as suck him in part in to the wand/RoM since the wand itself seems to be an RoM conduit.

The whispering spell cannot be weaponized like that. First of all, the only time it's actually used as a weapon is when it is used to turn the Royal Wand into a grenade. We don't have something of that scale, nor is it purely the spell itself doing that so much as a reaction from the spell killing its connection to magic. Secondly, the spell only appears to negate direct magic. You can't just go up to a living being, even one partially connected to magic, and just try to use it and expect it to work. Thirdly, even if it did work like that, it would, for obvious reasons, not work against any of the enemies you described when saying an "apocalyptic weapon" would be needed.

Finally, I wasn't saying it was literally a nuke in terms of damage. I was comparing tiers of different types of "apocalypse" because you appeared to be taking it too lightly when I thought you were talking about a spell that annihilates indefinitately. A nuke is typically considered an apocalyptic weapon but it's far less one than a black hole, hence the examples made more for comparative purposes than a straight 1:1 meaning.

Forgive my assumption of thinking that you were pushing a weapon spell to be used as a weapon, rather than a spell that can only destroy living beings as a byproduct of something different. This is not sarcastic. This is an apology and explanation.
 
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Damn, Xanatos not only already moved castle, he also have magical subway…he really one step ahead)

After moving our castle we should build subway and ask Malefishmirz about connecting us to magic transportation network. Then we can come to auction on our own evil train.

Also about Toon Railway I would really prefer first investigate ??? since saving toons can lock us in combat with unknown high level individual. Because if its Negaduck, I would prefer dealing with Toffee over him. Toffee at least rational and if we help Star he most likely just try to kidnap or assassinate her, limiting collateral from our confrontation.
 
Double-Oh-No
This ain't cannon:
Double - oh - no​
The DEI break-rooms are a pleasant place to relax. Kitchenettes with only two self-destruct buttons, cushioned seats that actually get cleaned when someone spills their coffee, and a work bench in the corner where one can work on more complicated past-times activities than checking their phones. And on floor 47 of HQ two men were indulging in such passions.

"Heya, Dr. D! Have a sandwich!"

Having uttered his catchphrase, Dennis sent forth a triple-decker almond butter & doonkelberry jam sandwich into his employers mouth.

After drinking a copious amount of milk kept in the break-room for such occasions, the doctor gave the toon a verbal response.

"Ah Dennis the Duck how appropriate you're here... and by that I mean completely ... propriate." With a sigh the presumed pharmacist made a mental note to borrow Temüjin's adjective workbook. He's out of practice.

"You see Dennis, the microwave clock is broken so it's just flashing double-o over and over again. And right before I hit the self-destruct button to make room for the replacement, I remembered I met a guy named that. So I did some digging around the web to see if he's plotting revenge or anything and it turns out a lot of spies have two zeros in their code names. So I figured something about zero's must make someone good at spying. With that in mind..." Doof paused as he grabbed his latest gizmo from the bench. "BEHOLD! The double-0-inator!"

"....Wouldn't the spy's being known imply they're not good at their jobs?" Questioned the monochrome foul in a rare flash of insight.

"Eh, Russ is stealthy enough, I figured I would just get others up to speed." Unnoticed by the two, said agent walked out of the room to listen in at a distance outside of the ray-gun's sight.

"You want to make me sneaky?"

"Well, it's more spy intel. Donald's hiding so you might get better at finding him."

The Duck's beak contorted in to a grin half his height while his eyes sparkled with the radiance of the sun. And before Doofenshmirtz could consider just how a bad idea this was. The toon grabbed the gun and shot himself at the perfect range for a "BANG!" flag to occupy the negative space. Unfortunately a green light bursted out instead, enveloping the waterfowl.

Dennis the Duck has achieved the power of double 0's!
Dennis the Duck's intrigue has been raised to -100!


When the light faded, Heinz was greeted by his employee no worse for wear and only that. No matter how the man tried to shift his eyes or change his focus, the toon was suddenly too loud in presence to do anything but give ones utmost attention.

"I'M COMING DONALD!" and with that the duck ran out in search of his idol, while the mad scientist began work on undoing this mess in a rare instance of knowing how bad this was with no reprimanding.

All Evidence of Donald Duck has been erased from Doofania and the Internet.
Dennis's secret sandwich recipes are burned into your very soul.


I figured this would be the only way an inator as broken as this could exist. By being a detrimental monkey's paw.

Also just for fun I'm going to say that Dennis's Intrigue would have remained -1 if he had a higher learning stat
 
You should have said you were talking about the whispering spell in the first place. Your description was off since you only said "destroys magic." I assumed you meant the Spell with No Name created by Solaria - which is supposed to continue on forever and eat the multiverse though that plot thread was left hanging by the end of the show - or the unnamed spell that was actually used against Toffee by Queen Moon, though it didn't destroy him so much as suck him in part in to the wand/RoM since the wand itself seems to be an RoM conduit.

The whispering spell cannot be weaponized like that. First of all, the only time it's actually used as a weapon is when it is used to turn the Royal Wand into a grenade. We don't have something of that scale, nor is it purely the spell itself doing that so much as a reaction from the spell killing its connection to magic. Secondly, the spell only appears to negate direct magic. You can't just go up to a living being, even one partially connected to magic, and just try to use it and expect it to work. Thirdly, even if it did work like that, it would, for obvious reasons, not work against any of the enemies you described when saying an "apocalyptic weapon" would be needed.

Finally, I wasn't saying it was literally a nuke in terms of damage. I was comparing tiers of different types of "apocalypse" because you appeared to be taking it too lightly when I thought you were talking about a spell that annihilates indefinitately. A nuke is typically considered an apocalyptic weapon but it's far less one than a black hole, hence the examples made more for comparative purposes than a straight 1:1 meaning.

Forgive my assumption of thinking that you were pushing a weapon spell to be used as a weapon, rather than a spell that can only destroy living beings as a byproduct of something different. This is not sarcastic. This is an apology and explanation.

Ah, okay this makes way, way more sense. I'm interested in the whispering spells applications to shut down magic. Not direct firepower. I'm not sure how the settings are interacting magic wise (if it's only useful vs mewni magic or more generally applicable) but if so, it's a fairly unique magical destruction.

And apologies for getting angry, I thought you were talking about the whispering spell as well and were bizarrely overselling it.
 
Edit: let's say we do buy it. What's stopping syndrome from making an entirely new company? What would be the point of buying this company when another spawns that's exactly the same?
Time and Resources. Syndrome won't be able to build another company with the same influence and income as Kronos just like that. It would take time for him to reach that same level, time we can use to crush him utterly.

Also, by buying Kronos we gain everything that they produce like the Omnidroids and the various other tech that we couldn't grab at the heist. Plus, doing nothing with Kronos will just mean that he can automatically return to his original standing (with a lot less cred) faster than if he started from the ground up again.
 
Ah, okay this makes way, way more sense. I'm interested in the whispering spells applications to shut down magic. Not direct firepower. I'm not sure how the settings are interacting magic wise (if it's only useful vs mewni magic or more generally applicable) but if so, it's a fairly unique magical destruction.

And apologies for getting angry, I thought you were talking about the whispering spell as well and were bizarrely overselling it.
It's fine and completely understandable. We were misunderstanding each other. Understanding is key to all successful, long-lasting diplomacy. The important thing is that we have resolved it. :D
 
Time and Resources. Syndrome won't be able to build another company with the same influence and income as Kronos just like that. It would take time for him to reach that same level, time we can use to crush him utterly.

Also, by buying Kronos we gain everything that they produce like the Omnidroids and the various other tech that we couldn't grab at the heist. Plus, doing nothing with Kronos will just mean that he can automatically return to his original standing (with a lot less cred) faster than if he started from the ground up again.
We already stole the omnidroid schematics during the heist. I am also very tired and going to go to bed soon have a great night everyone.
 
Still not worth it in my mind.

Edit: let's say we do buy it. What's stopping syndrome from making an entirely new company? What would be the point of buying this company when another spawns that's exactly the same?
The entire point of buying his company is to seize his assets and deny them to him. The money spent won't just all go into Syndrome's pocket. On top of that, it would still take years, possible decades for him to build back up to the same level as Kronos was.
 
Interlude: Wile E. Peyote
Coyote looked out over the dismal landscape that was a nonspecific desert in the American southwest for what felt like the thousandth time. He had lost track of how many attempts he had made at catching his eternal quarry, only to be thwarted by his own hubris, ACME products, or the worst enemy of all… gravity.

The Toon shot a dirty look down at the earth and mentally cursed Isaac Newton for inventing the blasted concept. Nonetheless, he was sure that tonight would be the night! The past sixty-odd years of humiliating failure wouldn't be for nothing! All things considered, his new employer was probably among the best he'd ever had. The old days of working for the cartoon studios were fine, of course, but after the cartoons hit a dry spell he had been forced to look for work elsewhere, eventually leading him to falling in with 'Mr. Chairman', formerly of ACME. The less said about that the better.

Dr. Doofenshmirtz was a good boss, though. He provided his employees with benefits, plenty of time off, and he even offered some Normbots to help out with his lifelong goal! Naturally Coyote had declined the offer, promising that if he was to catch the roadrunner it would be on his own terms. That's why he was out here, with nothing more than his wits, a container of birdseed, and a pair of binoculars. He was very tempted to leave that last item out, they had a nasty way of letting people sneak up on you. He knew how it was, you look through the binoculars, find the bird you're looking for, and all of a sudden they're right in front of your face instead of three hundred feet away, they scream 'MEEP MEEP', and you plummet three hundred feet off of a cliff.

He shuddered at that memory.

Perhaps it had been a… not a mistake, because that would be implying he was wrong, but a miscalculation to ask the bus driver to just drop him off 'wherever'. Passing up on the supply of rations was a bad idea too, as it was now the eighth day of his hunt and Coyote was starting to feel like any other individual left alone in a desert for eight days would. Perhaps he had been wrong. Perhaps he would never find the Roadrunner at a-

"MEEP MEEP!"

Confound it! Coyote had time to think just before instinct took over and he lept, head smashing into the rock above. He landed a moment later, only for the stones to collapse back upon him.

It was a more promising start than usual.

Pushing the exhaustion and thirst to the side, Coyote brushed himself off and took off at a full sprint, his eyes focused on the infernal bird in front of him with manic intensity! The bird would not escape him! It would not flee! It would not-

Coyote's thought processes were interrupted yet again as the Roadrunner seemed to quadruple his speed, accelerating so quickly that it carved literal flames into the surface of the road. Flames which Coyote was now walking on.

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Several hours and an improvised burn treatment later, a very irate Coyote was trying to find the best spot to set up an ambush. It had to be far away from any nearby cliffs from which convenient boulders could be dropped, a long distance from any gorges, which he could fall into, and under no circumstances could it be next to a canyon wall into which he would painfully and inevitably smash.

He poured a small pile of birdseed on the road and rubbed his hands together deviously. Now all he had to do was wait.

…waiting was boring. There was no cell reception this far into the desert, and his phone ran out of charge four days ago.

He glanced around. Sand, dirt, gravel, more sand, a couple boulders, a patch of cacti… Were those prickly pears? Oh, marvelous! He could already picture it now: later tonight, he'd be celebrating his victory over roasted roadrunner with a prickly pear vinaigrette! Coyote walked a few steps over to the cacti and speared one of the fruits with an extended claw.

Hmm. Maybe he should've taken that Junior Woodchuck guide that the bossman's weird rival offered him. Then he'd at least have a way of identifying what the heck this was.

Oh well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. He'd eaten far more suspect things than a cactus before. At least one bite of this wouldn't send him into earthquake-inducing spasms for the better part of a week.

After a very careful check to ensure that the fruit didn't have any painful spines that would catch in his throat, he took a bite of cactus. That was… underwhelming. And horribly bitter.

Okay, that was a mistake.

Frowning with discontent (and spitting a few times to get the offensive taste out of his mouth) he reasserted his position behind a rock, keeping a very close eye on the road.

This was it, he was sure of it. This time, this time, he would do it. He would! He would catch that pink elephant racing down the road and…

Wait.

What?

Coyote had just enough time to blink twice before the rampaging translucent beast, followed by twenty more, trampled him into the ground. He coughed, holding up a sign… that was blank.

Coyote turned around, revealing that the other side of the sign said 'Ow'.

Coyote scratched his head. He couldn't find the camera. He always knew where the camera was. This was very strange.

"Oh, it will get much stranger before it's over, Candace."

Coyote literally leapt out of his skin before falling back down to earth at the talking zebra that was casually sipping from a teacup.

W-who are you? The next sign said.

"Oh, I don't exist."

You don't?

"No no, I'm just a hallucination."

I'm hallucinating?

"Couldn't you tell from the giant floating baby heads?"

Coyote looked around to see that the entire desert, as far as the eye could see, was filled completely with massive, rotating baby heads. One of them was shooting lasers out of its eyes.

Huh.

"By the way, I'd try to hold on to something. It's about to get much worse."

Coyote gulped. He tried in vain to get a grip on the ground, the sandy soil flowing through his fingers.

"Oh, and one last thing. I was told to deliver a message to your friends over there."

Coyote looked around frantically, for once unable to perceive the audience.

"I was told to say, *ahem*, 'Sooner or later, the Dream Queen will come for one of your allies because of the greatest secret he ever kept. You will need to have learned the rest of them before then, or you will lose him forever.'"

Coyote blinked uncomprehendingly.

"That's all. Enjoy your bad trip. Toodle-oo!"

The world melted.

Coyote pushed himself to his feet only to see that his hands were staying behind. He waved an arm. It rippled in the wind, bending unnaturally with every motion he made. His arms swam and bent around him, wrapping him up before tearing him apart. He blinked as they were joined by four more, each of which formed a series of complex mudras before they in turn each tugged one of his limbs in opposing directions until he split in four. Each of him looked at the others before beginning a vast, circular chase around the rim of the canyon, fading into eternity. Each one slowly toppled down, falling into a void that resolved into the starry sky.

Coyote impacted the ground, splashing against it before resolving. Existence revolved around his head. The roadrunner saw him. Eternity chased the Roadrunner and infinity was hit by falling boulders. He watched as before him the road stretched forever on. Then he painted a new path. The line led into a stone wall, and yet he passed through without harm.

The tunnel ended in light. It enveloped him in blinding radiance. Coyote swam through the void. A dozen voices sang meaningless enlightenment into his ears. The wheel of universes spun clockwise around him. He saw the Roadrunner.

The Roadrunner was vast, it contained multitudes. It shined with neon light. Coyote felt at peace as he fell into its gullet. He smelled victory. Infinity beckoned. The circle closed, but there was still time. Coyote felt himself falling, falling, falling, towards that inevitable, eternal, familiar canyon floor.

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Coyote opened his eyes.

He was lying on his back in the middle of the desert, looking up at the starry night sky. His hands were wrapped around the Roadrunner's neck, and he…

His hands were wrapped around the Roadrunner's neck.

The bird was still struggling, but it couldn't break free. Coyote stared madly, expecting this impossible hallucination to fade with all the others.

Seconds passed. Seconds became minutes. The viability of this being yet another gag was dropping with each dragging moment.

The Roadrunner stuck out his tongue. Still, the bird failed to escape.

A wild grin split Coyote's face as he opened his mouth in triumph, preparing to devour his prey. As he stared at the bird, the animal he had chased for over six decades, the one who had subjected him to countless, humiliating failures and defeats, his face fell.

He blinked.

"What have I been doing with my life?" Coyote asked.

He released his grip.

"MEEP MEEP!"
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Coyote has achieved self-actualization! His stats have improved across the board!
 
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