Declare that either Hazou infused a Remote Explosive on an SCSA'd skytower so someone(Kei?) could stay behind and destroy the Storm Rune remains, or that Kei left an underground pangolin behind to destroy it. (Hazopilot's choice)
I recommend using Long Fuse Explosives (or maybe the regular fuse explosives Kagome has?) instead of this.
If we use the Rift-Pulling rune instead, we can avoid leaving any runes at the Pure Lands rift site.
Why are we doing the strobe seals? They create an aspect which will require a combo stunt to use.
 
I really really do not want Pangolins being exposed to Runes. Can you cut that? If so, I'll vote.

Could also use an LFE on it, won't atomize but will make it harder for anyone to observe it.
Do you have a better plan? LFEs aren't viable because a. the fuse is only accurate to an hour, so there's time for observing ninja to remove them and b. we can't put them on the rune because it's a constant pillar of lightning. Whichever pangolin Kei uses won't be exposed to the rune while it's active (because if they were they'd be popped instantly by the aforementioned constant pillar of lightning) so they'll only be seeing the blackened husk, and it's not like they know anything about sealing to recognize that it's a 3D seal.

Certainly it seems like less of a risk than leaving Kei behind on a skytower with another rune. And if it isn't - well, Hazoupilot has the choice.

Why are we doing the strobe seals? They create an aspect which will require a combo stunt to use.
Debuffs don't need combo stunts, and IIRC strobelighs are debuffs.
 
Do you have a better plan? LFEs aren't viable because a. the fuse is only accurate to an hour, so there's time for observing ninja to remove them and b. we can't put them on the rune because it's a constant pillar of lightning. Whichever pangolin Kei uses won't be exposed to the rune while it's active (because if they were they'd be popped instantly by the aforementioned constant pillar of lightning) so they'll only be seeing the blackened husk, and it's not like they know anything about sealing to recognize that it's a 3D seal.

Certainly it seems like less of a risk than leaving Kei behind on a skytower with another rune. And if it isn't - well, Hazoupilot has the choice
Yeah, we just don't give a shit. Either the LFEs are sufficient or the RER works. If neither works, oh well. Better than leaking Runes to the Pangolins.
Debuffs don't need combo stunts, and IIRC strobelighs are debuffs
They are a buff.
 
Debuffs don't need combo stunts, and IIRC strobelighs are debuffs.

If Akane is fighting alongside 3 Shadow Clones vs Bad Ninja and Akane activates the Strobelight seal, what happens? Do all shadow clones and Bad Ninja get the aspect "Blinding Flash"? Just Bad Ninja? Does Akane herself get that aspect?

It places an instantaneous Aspect on the scene. Anyone who knows it's coming can invoke it and the person who caused it (i.e. the one who triggered the seal) gets a tag.
It's a scene Aspect, which means... probably buff? Scene aspects only sometimes count as a buff, but it's definitely not a debuff.
Some bonuses are exempt from limits and can be combined with any other bonus. These include:
  • Aspects, either invoked or tagged
Also from Paper, but on Discord.
Paperclipped on Discord said:
As before, tags from scene aspects, maneuvers, consequences are still freely passable -- this is only for buffs
 
"Instead, I will remind you of my other points, hopefully summarized in a reasonably efficient way. This is not a weapon you can use repeatedly, or in front of Orochimaru, for the fear of instilling aforementioned apocalyptic inspiration. This is not a weapon you can present to the Hokage and expect to be used to create a peacetime without atrocity. This is not a weapon that I would trust even you to never err with."

"I'm sorry," Hazō said. "Honestly, I didn't mean for it to be a city-killer. Runes have a tendency of being stronger than I expect them to be."

I don't think there's any chance of keeping the concept of city-killing weapons from Oro, since, as we've seen, inventing them by accident is a common outcome of runic research. Sooner or later, and probably sooner, he'll work on some rune or another and notice that the easiest possible version of it has a kilometer+ radius of effect.

It does not appear in the Players Known Seals & Runes document afaict tho

My fork continues to be up to date. I've also been trying to include some rulings on runes that weren't in the original mechanics for them, e.g. the thing about volleys of remote explosives.

I'd be surprised if Jounin Aura depended on how fast she can dodge. XP total, sure, but not specific combat stats.

I could see it caring about number of skills at 60+, or about highest single skill. But also, while shiny, it's not that useful... I don't think it makes sense to build around it even though I am curious.

Though speaking of which; if and when we resurrect Jiraiya, are we going to teach him PS? He already has Earth Element; but I'm not at all sure I trust him to be responsible with the power, and it would make us a lot less valuable to Leaf. (I trust him much less than I'd trust Kagome, for example.) On the other hand, since Oro already knows it …

I'd be very reluctant to teach literally anyone runecrafting.
It makes WMDs easy; we don't know how bad a rune failure would be but 'apocalyptic' seems plausible, and we still don't know if the Sage had reasons beyond that to take it to his grave.
I trust Jiraiya more than most people, but every additional runecrafter is a risk. The saying is "three can keep a secret if two of them are dead" (but we're working on necromancy so maybe even that isn't enough caution...?)

Do you have a better plan? LFEs aren't viable because a. the fuse is only accurate to an hour, so there's time for observing ninja to remove them and b. we can't put them on the rune because it's a constant pillar of lightning
On a), I continue to not see any reason they can't be put under it. On b), could using a bunch of LFEs mitigate the timing issue? With enough of them, one will go off close to the start of the time they're set for.
 
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Yeah, we just don't give a shit. Either the LFEs are sufficient or the RER works. If neither works, oh well. Better than leaking Runes to the Pangolins.
I think our risk assessments are different. What do you think is going to happen if the pangolins find out we have runecrafting? It's not like they can do anything about it directly - if anything it's a positive for them since we'll need it to help fix the Great Seal - and I wouldn't expect them to leak it to anyone else, given the whole military-discipline thing they have going on.

Contrastingly, what I'm worried about if we don't get rid of the husk is:
  • Akatsuki hears about this super weird lightning storm and sends someone to investigate.
  • Akatsuki bullies Cloud into showing them the husk.
  • On seeing the husk, Akatsuki puts together the fact that some of the shapes in the husk kind of look like seal elements with the fact that we were known to be working on 3D sealing and concludes that we now have 3D sealing.
  • As a result, Akatsuki massively upgrades their threat estimate of us and start devoting far more resources to hunting us down.
    • Also, they might suspect that we taught someone in Leaf, though I don't expect them to have much luck on that end of things.

On a), I continue to not see any reason they can't be put under it. On b), could using a bunch of LFEs mitigate the timing issue? With enough of them, one will go off close to the start of the time they're set for.
My assumption is that the seals would have to be put at least a meter underground from the rune in order to avoid destruction by radiant heat/ground current, which seems unlikely to be enough to destroy it beyond recognition. Using a bunch of LFEs to mitigate the timing problem is a good point, though, if we have that many on hand - there'd still be a significant delay, but on the other hand any observing ninja probably won't immediately run into the area after the lightning storm stops.
 
Can you get rid of buying CR 33? I'll unvote otherwise. I want to try CR 32. Has a good chance of being enough
I don't really feel comfortable doing that since I said I would add it when I made the plan, but I see the logic in testing it again there. I added a second plan with your desired change, so you can unvote for my original and vote for that instead.
[X] Hazō Training Plan: Summoning Best Boi (CR 32 Version)
CR 30 >>> CR 32 [126 XP]
 
No progress. Moderate Consequences inflicted through normal means don't challenge Noburi very much these days.
I was thinking that a mission in the Seventh Path for Hazō to unstagnate combat would be a bad idea right now because he'd likely take consequences and need time to recover from them. But those consequences might be just what Noburi needs to unstagnate... Maybe it is a good idea.
 
I really really do not want Pangolins being exposed to Runes. Can you cut that? If so, I'll vote.

Could also use an LFE on it, won't atomize but will make it harder for anyone to observe it.
I recommend using Long Fuse Explosives (or maybe the regular fuse explosives Kagome has?) instead of this.
changes made:
Declare: before abandoning the Storm Rune, Hazou asked Kei to pick the best way to destroy the leftover crystal, then did that. Hazou's ideas were:
  • Hide a LFE beneath the Storm rune
  • Leave a Remote Explosive on an SCSA'd skytower so someone(Kei?) can stay behind and destroy it
  • Kei/Kagome leave a summon behind to destroy it.
Added Long-Fuse Explosive. suggest using one of Kagome's summons instead of a pangolin. changed it so that Hazou tells Kei his ideas(his specialty), and she works out the least-bad option(her specialty).

Can we finish Banshee Lovers first? Likely they won't be done by the time Air Leadeners finish.
good catch.
 
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They absolutely will be. RERs cost 125 substrate for the base model. If we want to improve them I suspect we'll end up with 625 unit behemoths

Okay, then we'll need to level BoC, hack ES, or get more substrate (from Oro, since a cave delve is likely time we don't have). Which I am very sad about, since we might possibly be leveling Chakra, which I usually support (and was the biggest campaigner for in LotRoL). And since projects seem to be scaling in size, sooner is better.



I know the following has barrier issues and won't win, and I'm fine with that, but I do want to start getting solutions talked about sooner rather than later.

[X] Hazō Training Plan: Dog Summoning and Technique Hacking
CR 30 -> CR 32 [126 XP]
TH 10 -> TH 20 [310 notes XP]

[X] Hazō Training Plan: Inefficient but necessary(?)
BoC -> 24 (149.5) XP
 
I'd be very reluctant to teach literally anyone runecrafting.
It makes WMDs easy; we don't know how bad a rune failure would be but 'apocalyptic' seems plausible, and we still don't know if the Sage had reasons beyond that to take it to his grave.
I trust Jiraiya more than most people, but every additional runecrafter is a risk. The saying is "three can keep a secret if two of them are dead" (but we're working on necromancy so maybe even that isn't enough cautio...?)
we should teach tsunade runecrafting lol

TSUNADE: "....I'm not a sealing person though."
HAZOU: "Tough luck, you're the only Sannin who would actually do things we want done with this skill. Now hurry up and start making some anti-disease-spirit runes and healing runes."
 
[X] Hazō Training Plan: Inefficient but necessary(?)
Unless we run out of substrate before then, I'm fairly certain we can make a Substrate Tweak to ES with THing 30.

Just strip out all of the excess capabilities beyond ES ~30 (which is the bare minimum to learn Runecrafting, though Hazou-pilot, with his Runecrafting 60+ and ES 50 know-how, may deem ES 40's benefits necessary or something), add in a major Alertness Disadvantage, and splice in BoC's segment about making substrate.
 
[X] Training Plan (Kei): Pyramid Prep
looks ideal.

[X] Training Plan (Noburi): Athletics
maxing Ath is important! the Alertness bonus is ok to I guess.

[X] Training Hazou: None
lot of plans being thrown around, but none really speak to me.
I say we hold our XP to buy TH 40(unlock Minatosealing and quickly tweak ES to give substrate), or for emergency-buying BoC(the rift assault might take a ton of substrate, same for stealing the Rift in 5-mile increments).
 
We should save THing for when we can buy TH 30, flat out. And I definitely don't want to buy BoC before we explore ES Tweaks (unless we're in dire need of substrate).

I'm also leery of buying chakra before we explore Chakra Runes. After all, we have a mountain of Mednin Notes we can eat, Noburi's professional expertise in chakra systems, and Runecrafting 60+.
 
EDIT: Here's a lower CR version from @Sir Stompy 's request

[X] Hazō Training Plan: Summoning Best Boi (CR 32 Version)
CR 30 >>> CR 32 [126 XP]
Why is the first plan still in the post? Either delete that or reject my request. Having both plans under the same name will just confuse the QMs
We should save THing for when we can buy TH 30, flat out. And I definitely don't want to buy BoC before we explore ES Tweaks (unless we're in dire need of substrate).

I'm also leery of buying chakra before we explore Chakra Runes. After all, we have a mountain of Mednin Notes we can eat, Noburi's professional expertise in chakra systems, and Runecrafting 60+.
Chakra water didn't affect Summoning I see no plausible reason why it would affect it in rune form.
 
Same here. We don't even know if we'll be trying to take the Rift ourselves yet. This is the last problem we need to solve. Shrimply wait to resolve it.
It sounds like, under this policy, we won't end up committing to developing a way to create new substrate until the moment we decide to take the rift. This means that, under this policy, we'll need as much as an entire additional month between deciding to take the rift and actually moving to take the rift (to amass the XP to level BoC, or to level TH and hack Earthshaping). Any number of things might happen during that month; most pressingly, Leaf might decide to attack the rift site.

Not resolving the substrate problem as soon as possible leads to automatic failures in a large fraction of steal-the-rift timelines.

I'm in favour of not committing to anything, but I'd argue we should then keep on the order of 200 XP stored, ready to be dumped into BoC at a moment's notice.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
As working on ninjutsu costs chakra, you can never buy more than a combined (CR AB) points of progress on both tracks in a single day.
Is it correct to interpret from this that, by default, each day THing takes nearly all of the Hackers chakra for that day?

If so, is it possible to deliberately spend only 100CP(as if CR AB was 1) on a TH roll, at the cost of limiting the hacker to a single point of progress?

Similarly, with enough Vampiric Dew refills, is it possible to make more progress than the hackers CR would normally allow?
 
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[X] Action Plan: Baked Potatoes
Uhh, I'm really not a fan of the "discuss our main plans going forward" section.

  • Scenario one: "Return to Leaf"
    • Pro: can rely on Leaf's Essies and resources
    • Con: This will cause a world war between Uplift/Leaf and Akatsuki/AMITY
    • Con: surrenders control of necromancy to the Kage
  • Scenario two: "Yoink"
    • Clear the rift sit, either with Remote Explosivers or a WMD effect.
      • hopefully a WMD will look like Sasori had a sealing failure?
    • Steal the rift ourselves, and return to hiding.
      • Take our time, train, and explore the rift.
        • We return on our terms, as Jounin/Essies, with the people we chose to resurrect beside us.
      • Avoids starting a world war
Some nitpicks:
  • Scenario 1 won't necessarily cause a world war. We'd previously discussed that extensively. Our default plan is waiting until half the Akatsuki are exploring the afterlife and the other half are guarding the entrance. If that plan succeeds, they all die, no protracted war of any sort.
  • The current Hokage is Naruto, Kei's friend and someone we're on very amicable terms with. I expect that the framing that we'd be "surrendering control" to him, and that this is some sort of important drawback to the plan, will not land well with the team. (Well, except with Kagome.)
    • Indeed, the actual drawback here is that we'd be surrendering the rift to Orochimaru, especially if Tsunade and/or Naruto die in the fighting. To Orochimaru, who might well decide to then yoink the rift from under our noses, or end up with the final word over who gets resurrected.
  • "Hopefully a WMD will look like Sasori had a sealing failure?": this predictably prompts a Kei analysis outlining that Sasori may not be at the rift site at all and is almost certainly not doing any infusions near the precious afterlife rift, precisely because he doesn't want to destroy it with a sealing failure. I don't want to read that scene.
Is "Yoink" viable?
  • If so, should we use a WMD to fake a sealing failure, assault with Remote-Explosivers, or try stealth?
  • If so, what's your tactical assessment of assaulting the rift site?
    • What can we do to avoid a bad matchup with the wrong Akatsuki? (Konan especially)
    • What problems would we need to find solutions for?
    • What additional capabilities would we need to develop?
I expect that they are going to say nothing useful, like the previous three times we tried to get useful brainstorming on the topic out of them.

Here, I've just looked into the future and read the next update. The summary is:
  • Is "Yoink" viable?:
    • "Depends on what runes you'll invent, Hazou."
  • If so, should we use a WMD to fake a sealing failure, assault with Remote-Explosivers, or try stealth?
    • "Sasori won't be there, so no-one would believe it was a sealing failure. The general idea of using WMDs is good (except for the part where you promised not to invent them).

      "Remote-Explosivers in their current form are not sufficient to win because blah blah blah rate of fire logistics of transporting runes Akatsuki's enhanced senses blah blah blah, but if you improve the RERs enough and make some supplementary runes that make this possible, then it'd be possible.

      "Stealth is impossible as-is because blah blah blah Akatsuki hypervigilance enhanced senses O'Uzu swarming with guards unknown alarm seals, but if you invent stealth runes that make this possible, then it may be possible."
  • If so, what's your tactical assessment of assaulting the rift site?
    • "Depends on what runes you'll invent, Hazou."
  • What can we do to avoid a bad matchup with the wrong Akatsuki? (Konan especially)
    • "We can do nothing but pray they're not there. Or maybe you can invent a rune that checks which Akatsuki are present, or you can develop specific counters for them?"
  • What problems would we need to find solutions for? What additional capabilities would we need to develop?
    • (Kei and Mari provide a rough recap of Orochimaru's Akatsuki Dossier + one of our A-Day planning sessions with Ami.)
I don't have any objections to the general idea of what you want to do in this plan, and sorry if I'm coming across as mean here. But I expect it won't lead to an update I'd enjoy reading, or that QMs would enjoy writing, or which would contribute anything useful to the narrative or to the planning.

This plan could be improved by replacing that whole segment with a Snowflake date.
 
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[X] Interlude: Snowflake attempts to date Hazou, who remains oblivious but asks Snowflake to stop distracting him while he's doing a runic infusion
 
It sounds like, under this policy, we won't end up committing to developing a way to create new substrate until the moment we decide to take the rift. This means that, under this policy, we'll need as much as an entire additional month between deciding to take the rift and actually moving to take the rift (to amass the XP to level BoC, or to level TH and hack Earthshaping). Any number of things might happen during that month; most pressingly, Leaf might decide to attack the rift site.

Not resolving the substrate problem as soon as possible leads to automatic failures in a large fraction of steal-the-rift timelines.

I'm in favour of not committing to anything, but I'd argue we should then keep on the order of 200 XP stored, ready to be dumped into BoC at a moment's notice.
Modulo spending on CR intended to Summon Cannai I largely agree, I think that's enough value in both scenarios that it's worth spending the XP to add that capability to Hazou now.
 
You know, with Mednin/Medknow 30s, and THing 40, (plus maybe also Minatosealing), Hazou might be able to invent a version of Tsunade's Strength of a Hundred jutsu.

If you [go about it via] Minatosealing, then that should bypass the "why doesn't every mednin pick up THing and remake it?" barrier
 
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