Aren't we? Given Hidan's bullshit, I don't think relocating buys us much more time than it costs, while the Chakra water is a serious research and combat advantage. We also want to benifit from Time Runes, Force Domes, ect, which take time and Chakra to set up.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I fully appreciate your frustration, but please try to moderate your tone. As you say, this is a game, and if it's not worth being deceptive about, it is certainly not worth getting aggressive or making personal accusations. (Also, the mods have a track record of coming down on this kind of thing, whether or not it's been peacefully resolved.)
HDK. Or rather, Hazō knows exactly what they've been in Leaf, but he is unaware of what happens on the level of AMITY unless he makes an effort to find out, much less internally in other countries. All he knows is that there has been nothing big and public enough to make international news (unlike e.g. the new Kazekage's accession) or cause the Tower to contact him about it.
Doubt it'll work that well. Unless you think we'll get 66+% reduction in cost from the Cave. Remember we need 300 CP per Rune plus the cost of SC, 875 total. That's for one additional multithread. Each additional is another 325 CP.
Paper says so anyway.
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Uhhhh I 100% think relocating buys us more time... Hidan can't track us down if we're on the move. If we're going to set up permanent encampment anywhere it should be somewhere that Akatsuki does not have strong influence, such as the eastern continent.
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Has there been any clan council meetings with relevant information since the one after the discovery of the destruction of Isan? Has there been any progress on that subject?
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The amount of percentile decrease in chakra expenditure that allows us to make a shadow clone (which I note might not benefit from this effect, being a chakra construct, and which I'll note gets our chakra anyway) and earthshape two runes in the same day with our leftover chakra reserves (split in two) is so large that it would basically have to make most ninjutsu free to cast. This doesn't match with Oro's explanation.
There is no route forward on the multithreading research front that we can deal with without Noburi. The water effect just makes it all (research or FOOM) a lot easier to deal with logistically.
Having that buff on us also means that any combatants will be spending less chakra than opponents to dish out, which means if we get caught in a fight we'll have the upper hand and an easier time of escaping or fighting.
I note that there are many applications for this if we can reverse engineer it and deploy it on demand (even in a more temporally limited fashion), one large one is "Hazou plops a rune down and all of Leaf's combatants expend 20% less chakra than they would otherwise in the upcoming fight", (or whatever the number is) which as buffs go is not something to sneeze at.
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You are coming across as fishing for a specific response and I don't know what it is. This is becoming a regular occurence, so please be more explicit.
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I'm curious as to whether Naruto's efforts to utilize AMITY to politically restrain Akatuski have had any success.
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Does Kei report that the skies of Hyena are the same shade of mustard yellow that they were when Haiwarai was the Hyena Boss?
There's been some speculation that the color of the sky is unique to the Boss and not the Clan, although Bosses from the same Clan might have very similar shades.
This is a quote from Sasuke after we got back from O'Uzu. Sasuke pretty much articulated that Itachi could be a mercurial fae when dealing with others. He may have moments of civility, but he can still lean into being a capricious essie. Sasuke's model of Itachi has been accurate to date in my opinion.
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Yes, I am factoring all that in. Sure, it's not trivial for a preindustrial peasant to resist or evade tax collectors, but that definitely does still routinely happen to various degrees. Book Review: Seeing Like A State Resisting changes to the nature of the entire world, or fleeing beyond reach of such... our only clear reference examples are Mareo, Kagome, and maybe Ami, which seems like very bad news from a civilian feasibility standpoint, or for long-term quality of life even in the event of success.
Well...except for the actual incident in question of whether itachi genjutsu'd hazou into thinking he treasoned.
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Also instead of asking Oro for help after we go missing. How about we tell him about the situation and ask for advice on plans in case he has better ideas? He's smart in certain areas, even if he has a staggering amount of social blindness. Sure he might decide the best option is to dissect us to prevent akatsuki from getting primordial sealing knowledge. But if you think the missing-nin plan has low enough odds of succeeding that's not really a cost.
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This may be worth following up on at some point, though maybe we have higher priorities right now, I'm not sure:
Hazō even had similar thoughts in the interlude
This highlights that the prep day he did was on "a vastly larger weight- and volume limit ", so we shouldn't assume it's representative of all storage runes.
I think it's time to re-examine the expected impact of researching unchained TR150.
- How much faster can Hazō research it now that he has DotB?
- Does Itachi showing up in Leaf shorten our expected time window to find something game-changing? Does going missing lengthen it instead?
A lot of "can maybe do" runes are worth second thoughts with DotB, but if we decide TR150 has become worth it, then it should take priority.
(Sorry for the double post. I don't know what the policy is on this. I'd rather not edit in a completely new topic.)
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Currently, I am only willing to wait three months from now before I feel the risk of Akatsuki opening the rift and rescuing Pain has gotten too high. (Or, rather, the risk that Akatsuki opens the rift, Naruto decides he's at the deadline, and Leaf suicides into Akatsuki without us). If we hit that three month deadline and don't have an essie-killer lineup prepared, I will vote to research Superchillers and take them home ASAP.
(in the quoted post, I was uncertain if we had 70 days. Notably, Itachi getting on our case has shifted our deadlines as well. We no longer need to worry about how long we have until Naruto can distract Akatsuki no longer, the only deadline remaining is the actual opening of the rift. So in some sense, we have gained time probabilisitically over the counterfactual. But in another sense we do have to err more aggressively on the side of caution, because we no longer have access, even indirectly, to Leaf's espionage apparatus that keeps track on the state of the rift site. We go from probabilistically not knowing how long we can stay on the "research trip" while feeling no need to hedge against an early opening of the rift site, to having no need to worry about the "research trip" cover while not knowing how long we have until the rift opens. Sum it all up, and three months from this date is my upper limit. I'd prefer if we headed back in two, but I won't be auto-voting for Superchiller plans at two months out.)
So, 90 days. TR150, relative to TR125, gives us one free subjective day every 5 calendar days. That means there's a maximum of 18 free subjective days on the table. However, that's minus the time it takes to research TR150, since we can't benefit from its speedup until it exists.
I don't need to get into the weeds: my previous post says 70 days is enough to recoup our losses, which means it's especially worth it now, when we'll take less time to research it. I note that we have some intention to no-prep a rune or two: no-prepping TR150 would be a nice complement to any of those projects if and when we retain Noburi's support and the ability to multithread research.
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I think no-prepping it is too much. Mostly because of the ES timeladdering. Although with Nobs around we might be able to skip that, in which case I would be much more sanguine about our chances.
If we can't avoid timeladdering ES, I think I want to start with 3 days prep.
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I guess we rejoin Mist then. Ryu might want to know that Akatsuki and Hazou are screwing his plans via Supernatural means.
I guess we rejoin Mist then. Ryu might want to know that Akatsuki and Hazou are screwing his plans via Supernatural means.
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Yeah, no. That's not good faith.
I think the biggest thing we have to worry about is what he can do with memory manipulation and/or mind reading (probably not mind reading though). Is there anything that he can do to us by implanting or removing anyone's memories? So far I can only think of him manipulating people into thinking he's not around when he is. Also, let's not forget that his SC doesn't have the Sharingan, and he (probably) won't bring his prime body into Leaf.
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[Χ]Project: Omnicule
I'm fond of the idea of building a skyfortress to hide in and I think it'd be better to build it over the ocean (it feels harder to track). I also would like to stop by Crimson State Island. But given where we are, I'm fine with stopping by the cave while we wait for the rest of the team to exfiltrate.
We cannot research runes in a sky fortress. Also the team HATES living on a skytower, the is no privacy and it is incredibly boring.
It's a lovely idea but incredibly impractical.
As for CSI, Naruto just told Itachi that's where we were (the Southern Isles) so I don't think we should be stopping by there any time soon.
If you want to visit CSI it makes sense to wait 3ish months or so until Naruto is done searching it and then visit.
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How so? I'm only stating that if you're having an argument with someone in public, it might make sense to keep arguing even if you lose hope of moving your interlocutor's viewpoint (and indeed, that's usually a foregone conclusion in nearly all instances).
Note that it applies specifically to arguments, i. e., at-least-somewhat heated discussions in which the interlocutors already picked some position/side and dug their heels in. There are of course more neutral collaborative analyses or exchanges of viewpoints, in which case optimizing for conveying accurate understanding to your interlocutor is the point. But in my experience, if the interlocutor is opinionated on the issue to any extent whatsoever, the chances of moving them on it plummet to near-zero, and arguing is only useful for achieving side objectives.
(Though this applies somewhat less to the general LW/EA/R memetic ecosystem of which e. g. this community is part, fair enough.)
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TR150 is also a very substantial buff in any sort of set-piece combat: being able to act 50% faster than your opponents unless they close the distance to knife-fight range can be a huge advantage in many situations. And if DotB lets Hazou get to TR200, that's basically the equivalent of putting Akatsuki under TR50 for the entirety of a ranged ambush round!
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You can but it's going to be very hurtful to Kagome-sensei and he's going to absolutely flip out.
Okay, let me clarify.
I am unwilling to research runes in a sky fortress.