fair! I'll edit that in in a few hours.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Is this within the realm of a Declare? Something we can tell Nobs to tell Mari that means, basically "get the team out of Leaf" without him immediately knowing the context? "Bonfire" isn't going to cut it since he would know our meaning instantly.
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Ooh, right; Noburi knows the old mine was originally intended as a bolthole. I do not, however, expect Noburi to know that the guy (Aito) has a son (Masaru) who Aito thought was impertinent for telling Hazou and Mari he was asleep. We could make a codephrase asking Mari to check in on Masaru and his father, or something like that.
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[X] Hazou Training Plan: PS Step
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Usually, yes. I tend to be less disciplined than the others and will sometimes integrate an idea from the thread that wasn't in the plan, but it's not something to count on.
So far as Hazō knows, the Sharingan copies jutsu, not seals.
Speaking as someone who used to play solid blue, I take offense!
My "Flying Copycat" deck was super fun. Air Elementals, Mahamoti Djinns, Clones, and Vesuvan Doppelgangers. ("My Clone of my Clone of my Vesuvan Doppelganger switches to become the Plague Rat you just cast. So do my other six Doppelgangers or clones thereof.")
Add some counter spells, a dollop of Control Magic and some other control, and it was a blast.
For the record, I probably wouldn't proc a Deceit roll based on what @CitizenTen laid out. Probably.
Correct. They pop.
In part that's because circumstances matter a lot. If someone asks me "who would win in a fight, you or Conor McGregor?" the answer depends very much on whether I have to face him barehanded in the ring or if I'm allowed to hide in the bushes 100m away with a rotary cannon.
Yup! The chief engineer.
FTFY
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Darn I love those Out chapters <3 they're so much fun!
Also, I'm wondering about how chakra or a chakra construct is perceived from the Out. Was that ever mentioned on-screen? If DotO upgrades our perception of chakra (eg. noticing new subtilities in chakra's behavior) it could also help with TH, among other things.
Why, maybe we could make 4D+ seals! We can now "perceive" more than what our eyes can see thanks to DotO, as well as comprehend different dimensions to some extent. Well, if it's gonna be anything like runes, we'll need to see an example of 4D seals.
Also, I'm wondering about how chakra or a chakra construct is perceived from the Out. Was that ever mentioned on-screen? If DotO upgrades our perception of chakra (eg. noticing new subtilities in chakra's behavior) it could also help with TH, among other things.
lmao Kei's gonna throw a fit again! I'm starting to pity her. How do you sanity-check someone as crazy as us and stay sane? You can't get used to our crap unless you join the mad crowd!
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Can we get height/weight/build descriptions for Team Uplift these days? It's been 4 years since we got these. Our team should be roughly at their adult heights, especially the girls, also we have Yuno now and we never got a height/weight/build for her.
Can we get height/weight/build descriptions for Team Uplift these days? It's been 4 years since we got these. Our team should be roughly at their adult heights, especially the girls, also we have Yuno now and we never got a height/weight/build for her.
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I dare you to ask Yuno her weight.
Noburi should know. He'd be a bro and tell us
Should we address what just occurred with the change from SSA to DOB with Kei and Kagome? Or should we leave this to Hazou-pilot? Hazou only needing one day for recovery from sealing research instead of two is hard to ignore. I'd say this counts even more now that they have seen this behavior up close for three months.
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OK, so I re-read Ch. 260 (BotG) and I have some thoughts:
I wasn't following the thread when the decision was made, but would someone please tell me why we decided against joining Akatsuki?
Also, thanks @roobee and @Velorien for prompting me to re-read the chapter.
To be fair, we're pretty insane too. I think everyone who's come up with the idea for world peace has been considered insane (us, Ami and Pain).
Again, this is kinda similar to how we'd operate. We'd kill for the sake of Uplift, right? Although we wouldn't kill innocents and we'd try to talk it out first, which AFAIK Pain didn't.
Yeah, I think this is pretty much my concern: can he be trusted not to go against our values?
This shows that he may be inclined to back Uplift with us, but again: can we trust that our visions and values align enough? Because if they don't, he'll win the resulting conflict.
I wasn't following the thread when the decision was made, but would someone please tell me why we decided against joining Akatsuki?
Also, thanks @roobee and @Velorien for prompting me to re-read the chapter.
With that information:
[X] Action Plan: We're The Clan Of Guts, My Dear
Word count: 471
- Ignore Naruto's orders and head straight back to Leaf (only Hazo). Before leaving, send a letter to Itachi to ask about reasonable concerns with balancing clan secrets with compliance.
- Itachi's honored deals before and been honorable. Lean into that.
- The Deal with Hazo was not researching Dimensionalism seals.
- Hazo hasn't.
- So we'll just say that.
- If pushed here's the story. Never, never, never lie. If you need to not reveal something, (Naruto's orders?) ask Itachi to use his eyes as a lie detector and say a version of (truthfully) "This is a clan secret. I can't tell you what it is. But it will not show you that I've been researching Dimensionalism. And it will also not show us acting directly against Akasuki's interest. Explain the caveat: skysliders, skywalkers. Could it later hurt them? Who know? Hazo's comes up with many clever ideas in the past from simple seals before) Hazo's trying to be as honest as he reasonably can be while taking into consideration seal research/seals are very dangerous.
- We went seal researching (true)
- We were never told we couldn't by Akasuki (true)
- It was mainly to increase our own power (true, mainly via time runes)
- The purpose of the trip was to develop and research new seal theory and application that we've been thinking about (true)
- We didn't research anything with regards to dimensionalism. (true)
- If for some reason weapons are brought up:
- Almost all seals, even boring ones, can maybe be used for weapons if you're sufficiently clever (use skyslider, skywalker as examples)
- But as of this instant we've not invented or built anything that we believe could directly threaten Akasuki's interest.
- Could Hazo maybe think up something crazy application later? It's possible? But as of this moment, we've built nothing of that sort.
- Try to keep in mind how crazy dangerous seal research is. We're dealing with extremely dangerous ideas/theory/research all the time. It's impossible to truthfully say they're not dangerous.
- But we've done nothing on this trip that an outside observer would deem as outside the norm of Hazo's designated seal research trip. (very true! Thank the lord for EM nukes!)
- If for some reason we're pushed on loyalty.
- We've made no secret of not liking Akasuki and choosing to pursue the values of Uplift. After all, we didn't defect when we were offered.
- Have we fantasized about building weapons to directly stop Akasuki? I mean, sure. We're a seal researcher after all. We'd be lying if we said we'd never given the idea some thought.
- But, to be clear. We have not physically done so. Nothing we've built or done would directly threaten Akasuki or currently directly act against their interests. We've kept our word.
- If for some reason weapons are brought up:
- Offer to take Itachi out drinking.
- Trade war stories and get absolutely drunk together.
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Cariyaga
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I think the ideal thing to do if we for some reason wanted to risk coming face to face with Itachi, would be to instead simply request his presence in Dog. We have Cannai as backup at the meeting so as to keep things civil and work as a mediator, we say something to the effect of "I have not done any research into dimensionalism. I will not tell you all of the things that I have researched, because that is unreasonable, but it includes mobility enhancement and variants of force walls, as Cannai can attest, as well as defensive techniques to help protect what remains of my family. I'm not trying to get one over on you by doing rift research away from Leaf."
All of which is true and Cannai can back us up on.
All of which is true and Cannai can back us up on.
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I will not vote for this, but I will admit that it would be entertaining to read. In the same way that it is difficult to look away from a car crash that is about to occur, mind you.
Not saying it won't work, just that I get feelings of looking disaster.
Yeah. I think there's a good chance it works, but it's probably an uphill battle.
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The problem is (frankly), is any world where we negotiate with Itachi, if it goes to crap, we're gonna die.
Negotiating on the 7th path (as opposed to in Leaf) doesn't do much as we'd need to react faster than his eyes can grab us in combat. That's not gonna happen.
And if Itachi says "No, follow your Hokage's orders, and come back to Leaf. I will not meet you in Dog where Cannai has power over me" what is the response?
And what's stopping Itachi from killing Hazou with an Amerterasu in Dog and Unsummoning before Cannai can get him?
What's the response if Cannai refuses to mediate this meeting because he's too busy with the war with Leopard?
I just think meeting with Itachi is incredibly doomed.
Cariyaga
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Right, I agree that it's like 90% doomed. But if we can handle these problems it seems likely to get us a few extra months.
The response to your first question is "yeah alright otw boss" -- it fails gently. But I'm sure Itachi would prefer not to spend weeks waiting around for us, so if we're like "it'll be two weeks to get back, or you can meet me in Dog tomorrow." that'd be pretty convincing imo, especially if it came with Cannai pledging he would not allow Itachi to come to harm from actions there unless he goes against it himself.
Regarding the other questions: I genuinely do not know if Cannai would be able to protect us. But I do think that Itachi is likely to value his reputation on the seventh path more than just killing Hazou. As to whether Cannai's unwilling to mediate, then we just don't do that.
He might value his rep on the 7th Path, but he hasn't promised us safe conduct, and in fact, he promised to kill us if we did what we're doing. So I'm quite confident he'd be willing to kill us there.
Cariyaga
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What we're doing we haven't done. I think that there's a narrow passage through which we can squeak here.
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We only get to burn this opportunity once so probably shouldn't use it on this particular encounter, but Hazou has way higher Resolve than Itachi has any reason to assume he does. It's very possible Hazou beats the genjutsu roll if Itachi attempts a mind-control genjutsu on him (maybe barring Tsukiyomi, but in Itachi's mind that would probably be overkill and too self-injurious for a chump chuunin level ninja.)
FP are committed before you know the outcome of a roll. Itachi likely isn't going to be pumping invokes on a roll he should easily crush.
63 (resolve) + 13 (one-third of alertness) + 3x invokes (Toughened Mind, Team Uplift [Mari], Marked for Death/Lord of Clan Goketsu) = 97 on neutral dice.
If Itachi is rolling Genjutsu 79 + 2AB from Sharingan BS that's still only a 95, which is easily enough to crush the mental defenses of even S Rank opponents, but would lose to Hazou's roll on neutral dice.
But if Itachi ever realizes how high Hazou's Resolve actually is I doubt he's ever not putting FP into the roll if he tries to genjutsu Hazou again.
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On the other hand, it almost got us put in a caldera.
But on the third hand, she can't complain too much when she talks to an Out entity all the time (via the Frozen Skein). And if this is a benevolent Out entity, it could be quite useful.
What would the 4D seals be made out of? Wouldn't you have to have a material shaped in four dimensions? I'm confused as to what that would look like.
I think it's that I was misunderstanding your position.
I'm sorry. It's not intentional; I have a high opinion of you and appreciate your plans and ideas.
I think that what happened is that I understood you to be saying "Let Mari pick, but we should advocate for her doing these," to which I said "Some of these are bad ideas, and I don't think we should include any ideas for wordcount purposes."
Sorry for causing you to use your time like this. No, it wasn't really useful, except for coming to an agreement of opinion.
Thank you very much. I look forward to continuing our interactions. I'll try to be more careful about this kind of thing.
Wait when?