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I'm pretty sure Itachi will cop onto Orochimaru's rift research since Hazou has shit Deceit, so…
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Which means Orochimaru also gets turned into a Loot Pinata. Well, at least we don't be alone
Crows should have a starkly lower altitude limit compared to skywalkers, if that matters. Without thermals, they fly between 1,000 to 2,000 feet.
Even putting all personal reasons aside, Akatsuki is led by insane people you can't say 'no' to, who Know The True Way, and plan to monopolize both life and death to force their vision of the world on the world. Given our pasts, we will say no. And then we die, because we couldn't prep independently.
If you wholeheartedly believe in all of Akatsuki's present and future means and ends, you can defend joining Akatsuki. If not, a defense can't even begin to go up against the rest of the objections. As some of them have been described by others, and I assume that you won't assert that there can't be any others, I will leave it there.
And, dude, isn't this dead horse glue by now?
Even putting all personal reasons aside, Akatsuki is led by insane people you can't say 'no' to, who Know The True Way, and plan to monopolize both life and death to force their vision of the world on the world. Given our pasts, we will say no. And then we die, because we couldn't prep independently.
If you wholeheartedly believe in all of Akatsuki's present and future means and ends, you can defend joining Akatsuki. If not, a defense can't even begin to go up against the rest of the objections. As some of them have been described by others, and I assume that you won't assert that there can't be any others, I will leave it there.
And, dude, isn't this dead horse glue by now?
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That's what I thought. So if we take her, we take out yet another person in the KEI leadership.
I remember that we got that info from Orochimaru, who isn't stupid, but have we considered the possibility that Itachi is faking having low reserves? But anyway, you have a good point about the chakra cost of summons. What do you think of just skywalking out?
It's not necessarily lower risk, but it doesn't align with our goals.
Nice.
Also, @Left-Hand Mutant, what do you think of my suggestions for the plan?
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[X] Inferno Vulpix
[X] Action plan: book it to the magic Chakra water cave.
[X] Action plan: book it to the magic Chakra water cave.
To clarify my questions are focused on understanding y'all reasoning as opposed to persuasion. Since I predict people will be more willing to engage if I do the former. Although the difference between the two can sometimes be fuzzy.
i'll post my questions for talimilat later.
how would he transfer the knowledge to sasori? do you think words would be enough? or are you afraid itachi would kidnap hazou for sasori and disregard the diplomatic consequences? if the latter, why do you view getting kidnapped as having more expected negative consequences than of opposing akatsuki?
why?
why do you view the punishments akatsuki would inflict for leaf researching dimensionalism as worse than the risk of actually taking action and attacking akatsuki?
why are the expected consequences (from success and failure of killing them) of opposing akatsuki more beneficial towards our goals compared to the expected consequences (from success and failure of persuading them, or just pain specifically, to do what we want) of joining akatsuki?
i'll post my questions for talimilat later.
General question for anyone who cares to answer: does the Sharingan actually do that? I was under the impression that the Sharingan only copied jutsu, with the Iron Nerve having acquired the ability to download seals as part of its divergence from the Sharingan.
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I'd expect that the Sharingan can do the same sealing stuff the Iron Nerve can, and the only difference is that it can't copy ninjutsu or taijutsu from other people. So Itachi would be able to draw the seal for Sasori.
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I'm just giving this plan another vote in case the QMs decide to do an action plan instead of an interlude or lore update:
[X] Action Plan: Take The Fam And Go
Also,
[Χ] Armageddon Initiative
Take that, Deidara. Our missing-nin explosion powers are better.
[X] Action Plan: Take The Fam And Go
Also,
[Χ] Armageddon Initiative
Take that, Deidara. Our missing-nin explosion powers are better.
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IIRC, Itachi bragged, saying that it allowed him to perfectly replicate skywalkers, and that was how the Akatsuki got ahold of them. That Itachi handed them over to Sasori, who biosealed them onto the Akatsuki's feet.
It might be that a Sharingan merely allows you to perfectly replicate a seal's Calligraphy, but it takes being an actual sealmaster to research the resultant seal copy... which Itachi is.
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Wasn't that in a dream? I distinctly recall Itachi bragging about the Sharingan copying Skywalkers in Hazou's dream on the way back from the Sunset Racer.
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Wait, are you thinking of the time when Hazō dreamed that they met Itachi on the way back from the mail run?
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I honestly might be.
Alright, so Itachi can't just look at a seal and copy it, but the point remains that we either show them lithosealing or our paper seals. And lithosealing will have us be kidnapped/killed for the info, and the paper seals can be grabbed under whatever excuse Itachi thinks of. It's not like we can stop him.
And Itachi might not be satisfied with knowing our paper seals. He might disbelieve that we had to leave Leaf to work on RRBS or Force Claws, and demand to know more. And with our Deceit stat... we'll basically be forced to either cough up lithosealing or be killed, just in case.
Paranoid S-rankers are not reasonable conversationalists.
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Well, let's just avoid Itachi then, shall we? 😉
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I think chakra totals are something Oro can plausibly sense. Also if he's ever seen Itachi with overdraw symptoms that would also be a giveaway for his max capacity. Still, not impossible.
If they just book it at night, I think it's got an honestly pretty good chance of working, but would leave it to Mari for exact implementation. She's the infiltrator and the authority on GTFOing from sticky situations/the one who's been setting up contingencies since Hazou mentioned the possibility of going missing. If Kagome finishes up those darkness domes and can pass them along, even better.
I like this and Noumero's suggestion of a letter or series of letters that illustrate Hazou finally reaching his breaking point while we exfil team Uplift. I was thinking of doing a blend of that and something more risky with the correspondence other than demonstrating that Hazou's depressed. I believe it would be just as good if not better to imply that Hazou is questionably sane but also a useful genius. We basically weaponize our communication with him to play into his suspicions and slightly subvert them.
We have a unique advantage of Hazou being in long-term term contact with Itachi. His shadow clone being present at the Goketsu compound is a heavy risk to the family, but it provides a unique avenue of playing him as well as Sasori. He most likely has built and is constantly building a psych profile of Hazou. It would be a reasonable assumption on his part to take into account that Hazou has a rep for being unstable or judged more harshly as insane. Our direct communication through Nobby and Itachi's ability to learn more about Hazou through other Goketsu is of immense value here, especially the seal masters.
Hazou would of course state that he hasn't been researching dimensionalism nor have we developed weapons capable of killing Akatsuki ( to the best of our knowledge). We'd then question if Sasori might like some insights and ask Itachi to pass on some SSA sealing elements as our help. Through Hazou's correspondence he should be transparent about these seals being very exotic, unstable, or used in an unorthodox manner. We should display melancholy and defeat, yet flip to a more upbeat tone when sharing our sealing insights. By the end of it we should be inquiring if we can study the rift again, Uplift philosophy, and rambling about opening other rifts to the distant stars after the Naraka.
I should also mention that with Hazou's nature as a IN user known to Itachi as well as his view IN users are lesser Mutants, it adds more plausibility. For instance, it will be interesting to see how Itachi puts every sage artifact Hazou's viewed or all the sealing failures he survived into context of his psych model.
The intent here would be to...
- Make Itachi infer that as a precaution due to his reputation, Hazou may have been sent out of Leaf, with two other summoners, for multiple reasons and less so for weapons testing as told by Naruto. Itachi should assume Hazou is extremely dangerous to himself and others when performing research, more so than the normal seal master.
- This lessens the direct attention off of Hazou and the Gouketsu but makes the Leaf a little more responsible for reporting and managing his movements as a side effect.
- Hazou will be seen as unstable but useful enough to pump for further information while keeping him at arms length. Itachi should determine that it would be better to leave things as they are and benefit from the Golden goose.
- This probably encourages more Akatsuki interactions, not less. I think this should lower the need for Itachi to resort to threatening our compliance.
- Show that Hazou has reached a dead end or misleading Leaf on developing weapons in order to selfishly ingratiate himself with Akatsuki to revive Akane, which would amount an admission of defeat.
- This will need to be a constant act that Hazou needs to keep up and he may eventually slip that he's not as crazy as everyone thinks. Mari and the others may need to also need to waste time "managing" us to keep up appearances.
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The whole "talking to Akatsuki" thing doesn't work if we're playing into the "we go missing because we're traumatized/depressed/whatever". We don't want to be in contact with Akatsuki once we go missing because then they can threaten us. If we can't hear their threats then threatening us doesn't do them any good.
Yeah, I liked the correspondence part more than the exfil. What I proposed has no exfil plan- I go all in.
[X] Training Plan: Disciple of the Beyond
[X] Interlude: Disciple of the Beyond
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So you'd leave the fam in Leaf and go missing with just Kei and Kagome? Edit: And Snowflake. Is it rude to leave her out just because she has to go with Kei?
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[Χ] Armageddon Initiative
[Χ] Project: Omincule
[Χ] Project: Omincule
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People, now is the best time to start Project: Omnicule.