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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I think the events pictured in the Battle of the Gods are known to the characters. So no need to invent reasons to be interested in Nagi. Are you asking Asuma to go after remnants of Pain's sealing array? It's not quite clear.
Fair enough, I'll change it
This is also reasonable. However, I do think a Yamanaka would make the Squirrel endeavor vastly more likely to succeed. The reason we failed last time was because we were unable to successfully interrogate captives.
I do think we should tell him that. We want his attention deflected away from ES, chakra metal is extremely difficult to source. Which would slow him down a lot.
[X] Training plan Hazō: commit to ES50
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped can we vote in a Conclave plan next update for Vel and deal with Asuma the update afterwards?
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This is requesting personal power without strong justification.
More of the same.
What are we asking for, here? Teaching Ruri EM?
We can't ES chakra metal.
I don't understand how needing to fix the GS is not the best justification. This is power so that Hazou can fix the seal.
Hazou has rolled Resolve at least once to fight off a Dragon's Out effects. Having a jutsu that boosts it makes him more survivable.
Intention is asking for a Scroll for Akane, but you're right that needs to be clarified.
There is no intention to use ES on chakra metal. We are looking for chakra conductive materials that could be used to make 3D seals. Chakra metal is a possibility.
It also gets Oro interested in chakra metal and not ES.
We don't even know if ES can be used to make 3D seals yet.
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It's the best justification but IMO it's insufficient. The problem on our plate is the Dragons. Let's deal with them or at least make headway and then ask for personal power.
One, we have a hidden motive here and I'd like not to deceive the Hokage. Two, Hazo shouldn't ever be that near the Dragons again.
If we want another EM combatant we should ask him to teach Ruri. It gets the same result faster and without empowering Goketsu.
Then we should ask if we can very briefly touch some chakra metal and be clear that our doing so might ruin it.
Why not just tell Orochimaru that we think chakra metal is a possibility? He's probably already considered it so I don't think it will help, but it doesn't involve asking Asuma for power.
We're pretty sure, especially relative to the chakra metal theory, which is just speculation.
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Er I don't see this happening personally. He's a tactician that will likely be coordinating mass use of seals like he did to kill the first one. That also means being near the battlefield. His reaction to Dragons also lets him sense their presence to a limited degree which is extremely helpful when several of them are nearly impossible to detect (namely, the reflection and night Dragons.) Hazou's tendency to disassociate around Out stuff might also actually help against e.g. the beautiful dragon. I don't particularly want to test that, but it's worth keeping the possibility in mind if, in the worst case scenario, he needs to throw a banshee nuke or something because everyone else is already compromised.
So while there's decent odds he won't need to be near one i don't think we can rule it out. He really may need to. Can't afford to lose this fight so kinda gotta go all in imo.
Requires one more person than necessary knowing about EM nuke which isn't how you control the spread of something like this
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[X] Action Plan: To Protect the World from Devastation
There's enough here that it should probably stay separate from the Conclave business, imo. I also took an angle on the requests that I think more strongly connects to our goal of 'directly impact Dragonwar success without looking like a power grab'. Asuma's asking what he should do, not just what he should do for us, so I'm leaning more into things he can do in the wider world that still help the cause.
[X] Action Plan: To Protect the World from Devastation
- Asuma
- The Great Seal is a puzzle we only have a few pieces of: we need more lore. Records of the sage's works are fragmentary and scattered, but clans have long memories, in the EN, the Seventh Path, and maybe also the Eastern Continent.
- How many other summoners can we convince to show up? Kisame and Grandmaster F are very strong even without the support of their Clans, and even stronger with.
- There are also Clans too far away from Kumokogo and the Conclave to have been a part of this. Can we reach out to them?
- With other summoners fighting, use of EM in the battle poses an OPSEC risk. Is it possible to pretend it's actually something Kumokogo or Enma cast?
- Borrowing a dragon part from Orochimaru for a short time could let us demonstrate it at the Conclave.
- Orochimaru is currently studying 3D Sealing, and will probably obtain it in short order. This may noticeably increase his personal power. If this is problematic, best to prepare ahead of time.
- The main obstacle to 3D Sealing is a lack of chakra-conductive stone. Orochimaru and I are both investigating options, but keep an eye out.
- We should make plans for edge-case scenarios. If a dragon escapes the Crusade and flies off for an indeterminate amount of time, if a dragon somehow makes it to the EN early, it can't hurt to be prepared.
- Thank you for everything you're doing. You have patience for us despite our mistakes, and you took us seriously about the Dragons despite many other pressing matters. The rest of the world is idle but Leaf is moving, and it's thanks to you.
There's enough here that it should probably stay separate from the Conclave business, imo. I also took an angle on the requests that I think more strongly connects to our goal of 'directly impact Dragonwar success without looking like a power grab'. Asuma's asking what he should do, not just what he should do for us, so I'm leaning more into things he can do in the wider world that still help the cause.
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[X] Interlude: Lore Update
Also resolve boost are not actually that valuable for FOOM. If it literally cost nothing and gives us enough of a boost to get 3 extra XP a day it saves a whole 5 days from finishing detour zero. It shaves a total of 28 days to hit Shrooms X9 build. So if it costs even a hundred XP and gives us 75% of our base rate we are still loosing 5 days. That's on top of trying for a blatant power grab
Also resolve boost are not actually that valuable for FOOM. If it literally cost nothing and gives us enough of a boost to get 3 extra XP a day it saves a whole 5 days from finishing detour zero. It shaves a total of 28 days to hit Shrooms X9 build. So if it costs even a hundred XP and gives us 75% of our base rate we are still loosing 5 days. That's on top of trying for a blatant power grab
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I don't think we're likely to get the Dragon Bits back from Orochumaru, but maybe Asuma can help us plan an arguement to Orochinaru about securing parts for ourselves from the next Dragon Corpse.
[X] Action Plan: To Protect the World from Devastation
[X] Action Plan: To Protect the World from Devastation
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Don't vote for a plan responding to Asuma, but if you do, vote for this one.
[X] Interlude: Yuno's New Genin Team
[X] Continue previous plan
[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma
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[X] Interlude: Yuno's New Genin Team
[X] Continue previous plan
[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma
Word count: <300
- Can we articulate problems, ask for suggestions, then make requests?
- Please deny requests which seem like power grabs - they're not coming from a place of subtle political manipulation or greed.
- We only just realized our previous actions could have been interpreted as blackmail. We have massive blind spots.
- The Great Seal.
- HDK how 3D seals work, or what they're made of.
- HDK much about the Great Seal, generally.
- Suggestions:
- Should we tell Orochimaru everything we know about 3D sealing? It'll markedly increase his personal power.
- Tone: based on the Basement, Orochimaru unchecked rivals the be4uty.
- More lore.
- Missions for Leaf's Summoners to meet with storytellers/lorekeepers? They have long memories.
- The Nagi seal - was it 3D?
- Leaf archives and clan records may contain useful information. Could librarians search and relay their findings?
- Information on the Sage, sealing (as in, locking away) entities, the Dragons, and sealing traditions unknown to us (carving?) could be crucial.
- Any ideas for chakra-conductive stone? Describe it.
- Other AMITY signatories might have useful information or expertise.
- Tone: AMITY is geopolitics and that's way out of our lane.
- Should we tell Orochimaru everything we know about 3D sealing? It'll markedly increase his personal power.
- HDK how to kill the remaining Dragons.
- Again, lore.
- We need to maximize firepower.
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- Same lore requests.
- Could Ruri be taught EM?
- Can we attribute EM to Kumokogo/Enma?
- AMITY Summoners - have you considered involving them?
- Mareo could be an asset - can we concretely offer him Leaf citizenship? An ANBU escort to Leaf?
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- Why isn't anyone (other nations) else doing anything?
- They've heard about it, surely.
- Thank you for believing in us and mobilizing Leaf. We saw the Hat's impact on Jiraiya and know, in a very limited way, how much pressure you're under. We want to live up to the trust and patience you've extended us given…everything.
- How can we help you help us?
- Why isn't anyone (other nations) else doing anything?
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It occurred to me that when Oro shows up with Manda he can just bring some.
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[X] Action Plan: Responding to Asuma
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- The Dragonwar has 2 objectives: killing Dragons, and repairing the Great Seal. We think the most valuable low-hanging fruit is...is to involve AMITY. And the Akatsuki.
- Akatsuki alone contains 2 S-rank Summoners (Itachi, Kisame) and an S-rank sealmaster (Sasori).
- Several AMITY signatories also have Summoners, and have their own sealmasters (no comment on their skills).
- Hazou doesn't know if any of them will believe us, or if they'll make actual contributions instead of just taking advantage of us. He's not knowledgeable enough to know the cost-benefit analysis.
- But if there were a time for AMITY to be united in a goal, this would be it.
- NB: Tread carefully: Akatsuki is a sensitive topic. Hazou IC can elect to talk in the context of AMITY and not necessarily AMITY plus Akatsuki.
- Other things:
- The Great Seal is a puzzle we only have a few pieces of: we need more lore. Records of the sage's works are fragmentary and scattered, but clans have long memories, in the EN, the Seventh Path, and maybe also the Eastern Continent.
- The main obstacle to 3D Sealing is a lack of chakra-conductive stone. Have you heard of anything?
- Borrowing a dragon part from Orochimaru for a short time could let us demonstrate it at the Conclave.
- If he's showing up with Manda, he can display a part then.
- We should make plans for edge-case scenarios. If a dragon escapes the Crusade and flies off for an indeterminate amount of time, if a dragon somehow makes it to the EN early, it can't hurt to be prepared.
- Thank you for everything you're doing. You have patience for us despite our mistakes, and you took us seriously about the Dragons despite many other pressing matters.
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I'd add in a line about pitching the idea of AMITY dragon slaying cooperation at the upcoming Chunin exams but this is close enough to what I had in mind that I am satisfied with voting for it.
I'd add in a line about pitching the idea of AMITY dragon slaying cooperation at the upcoming Chunin exams but this is close enough to what I had in mind that I am satisfied with voting for it.
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In regards to the whole Oro figuring out 3-D seals I think we should just troll him. Since we're only 2 ish weeks away from ES 50 once we make our first seal with it we can go and tell Oro that his notes were cute but they helped us crack it. We could show him a model of the great seal or he could just buy a working 3-D seal we have with us
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Very similar plans so I'm going to comment on both at once:
Neither plan articulates what we want from Asuma with respect to lore, and I think we should include some concrete asks even if it's just 'please task some Nara with undertaking a research project'.
If we're going to mention the Akatsuki I think we should explicitly tread carefully - the last time we mentioned working with them it went rather poorly. The context here is wildly different but an ounce of prevention etc. etc. My personal preference would be to avoid mentioning the Akatsuki altogether and instead just reference Summoners within AMITY.
I don't think that we should discuss EM unless we're doing so very, very obliquely. We are not in a sufficiently secure environment. Quite frankly, I'm not sure it's wise to discuss at all unless it's time-sensitive, and 'here's an idea for a smokescreen' isn't.
Orochimaru will probably show up with Manda and can display a sample of Dragon parts then. It may be useful to have earlier but throwing the additional fact out there might be an idea.
I think that the thanks hits the wrong tone. 'Leaf is acting and that's because you're great' feels a little eeh to me. I doubt that Asuma values our opinion on his greatness and providing it implies that we're in a position to pass that sort of judgement.
Contrast this to a desire to live up to his faith in us - pitching it like that communicates our thanks but positions us as a subordinate expressing respect for our Hokage as a clan head and individual. IMO adding in the personal touch about having seen what it took out of Jiraiya and being extra grateful as a result smart because it's a potential bonding moment. Asuma and Hazo are both the sons of now-deceased Hokage and both admired their fathers deeply for their grace under fire, among other things. It also draws parallels between Hazo's relationship with Jiraiya and Hazo's relationship with Asuma - not only is the comparison flattering, we really, really want Asuma to fundamentally view Hazo as a favoured student if not something-like-a-son.
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[X] Training plan Hazō: commit to ES50
[X] Action Plan: To Protect the World from Devastation
[X] Action Plan: To Protect the World from Devastation
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Clarification: What do we want from lore? I'm willing to add something in but have had trouble with it thus far because I don't know what we are looking for; just general "history of sealing/the Sage" xor...?
So just adding "tread carefully; Akatsuki is a sensitive topic" would be OK?
Will do.
So maybe just "Thank you for everything you're doing. You have patience for us despite our mistakes, and you took us seriously about the Dragons despite many other pressing matters."? Would that work?
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[X] Action Plan: Responding to Asuma
I'm not married to the framing I listed, but I do want to express those feelings somehow.
Good point. I was thinking something more along the lines of 'send people out to diplomacy far and wide, with AMITY and with the Eastern Continent, to learn their stories and spread word of the threat', but I agree that something more tangible should be offered as example if nothing else.
Agreed, partially. It makes plenty sense to have Hazou tread carefully here, admit that it may sound bad given his history, but I do think it needs to be said.
Given that Asuma mentioned Elemental Mastery already earlier in the conversation, I'm assuming this conversation is OPSEC-secure.
Another good point, I would be happy to rework that line entirely to take advantage of that approach.
There's a sense that I wanted to hit, that the rest of the world has heard of the dragons by now (we're not keeping it secret, no way the spies haven't picked up on it) but there have been no Crows in Arachnid, no Kisame showing up, no Maras traveling west. The rest of the world heard of the apocalypse and have done nothing to stop it, and it's easy for me to imagine the feelings of twisting resentment that you'd feel when you see that. Time may as well be frozen everywhere except for Leaf, despite the S-Rankers and Summoners with just as much stake in the outcome as us.
I'm not married to the framing I listed, but I do want to express those feelings somehow.
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...The more I think about it, the more I think we're making a mistake in not providing Orochimaru all of our resources on 3D sealing. Sure, it'll make him stronger in the future, maybe.
But it will also distract him for, like, probably at least a year, and that's a year he's not operating on people as testing subjects for his seals.
But it will also distract him for, like, probably at least a year, and that's a year he's not operating on people as testing subjects for his seals.
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And let's be real, we're not keeping him away from it forever. Even if we had a heart attack and died, Orochimaru would figure it out on his own somehow.
More than that, there's value in Orochimaru having 3D Sealing. We're trying to construct a new discipline from scratch, and we'd now have two genius sealmasters working on it. Right now the exchange of research notes is just a narrative thing, but I 100% would not be surprised if in the long term that sort of collaboration produces mechanical benefits. We're trying to reach the peak here, fix a seal made by the Sage himself, and anything that helps us along the way is a Jashinsend.
Put these incentives together with what you mentioned, that Orochimaru's not vivisecting people nearly as often these days, and I'm all for supporting this field of research.