Talking to Asuma about stuff

I do not think now is the right time to ask about being special jonin. It does not meaningfully impact the goal of defeat dragons, and make us look bad. Both Asuma and Oro can vouch for the dragons, and Oro for the complexity of the great seal, and we can have our skills back up our sealing talk. And considering we were just given a couple million Ryo? Any argument about needing it for clan functions and more political power is going to look very bad.

After this is all over, I imagine Asuma will offer it to us anyway. And it's going to be better for us if he initiates they conversation. If he doesn't, then we can bring it up, I think

Asking Asuma about reaching out to other villages/AMI is worth talking about, I think. Not telling him to do it, but actually talking through the cost/benefit analysis with him. Akatsuki members have sealing, or scrolls, though I don't know that any of them have both. But we'd need a clear picture of how they can help. Sharks close to the Butte would be the biggest I can think of, if the boss shark could fight one dragon (or keep it busy) while in its own territory as the rest of the everyone does a thing.

We could bring up Akane getting a scroll for EM, but I'm very cautious of that. First, it'll take her months to learn summoning, and she was just assigned a genin team, which makes that a lot harder and less likely to pay off. Also, the closest clan option would be bear, but we don't want to kill him off for a few reasons.

Getting Asuma and other summoners to weigh in at the conclave would be helpful, and it sounds like Asuma is in for that. If he's trying to get the snake and slug bosses there, he's seriously pushing from his end.

Getting Dragon parts to show the conclave would be a good idea. They could be the ones Oro has, or they could be temporarily borrowing parts that Arachnid holds onto. But we really need to make clear how much effort went into taking out that one, and how much harder they get after others are killed, it seems. If we're dealing with a gradual death resistance, killing them all at once/close enough gets more important.

Asking for help getting any mineral/material that we could play with for shaping/Chakra conduction sealing understanding would be very helpful, I think. That one seems a pretty easy ask, and it's very clearly for solving the problem.

I think asking about the existence of emergency McGuffins is fair. We don't need to necessarily know what they are, but knowing if Asuma has a trick or card up his sleeve helps as make more informed choices.

I think asking if there's any remotely relevant Lore he could tell us is perfectly fair game, but I don't think we'll get much back on that. We're the expert on the ground here. And trying to get unrelated Lore DEFINITELY counts as a power grab.

In theory, techniques to help us survive/get away are helpful, but considering how far above us dragons are, I don't think there's much that's going to really make a difference, especially given us only having Earth element.

We could bring up the Oro thing. I'm...I think we'd need to phrase it right, since in theory Oro gaining power is Leaf gaining power, but Asuma already knows he's having issues keeping Orochimaru in line. I don't love it, but if we hint to Asuma that Orochimaru wants us to make him his own great seal, but by doing so for *reasons* we'll attract dangerous attention, he may be able to help us out? Considering his stance with the Kei situation was "I wish you well, but there's not much I can do", maybe prevention is best here. Even if it's just making sure Noburi is kept busy by Tsunade, which shouldn't be a big ask.


It really is a shame Hazou is further behind the FOOM track, since that extra resolve would probably come in handy dealing with the dragons. That said, my single biggest piece of input is ES 50 GET.
I still think we discuss Naraka. I don't have a firm grasp on how far we are from opening it, but IIRC it sounded like a week to a month of concerted effort?

Surely that's worth at least mentioning to Asuma; "Hey we know you concluded that this isn't necessarily the afterlife, but we've continued researching it and we've learned more details. Lets discuss?"

And I mean, there's no way we're opening that thing without the Hokage's approval anyway, right? We don't lose that much from bringing it up, and we can also mention our other concerns; Akatsuki researching it, whether we should open it or just close it and recreate it somewhere safer, etc.
 
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I do not think now is the right time to ask about being special jonin. It does not meaningfully impact the goal of defeat dragons, and make us look bad. Both Asuma and Oro can vouch for the dragons, and Oro for the complexity of the great seal, and we can have our skills back up our sealing talk. And considering we were just given a couple million Ryo? Any argument about needing it for clan functions and more political power is going to look very bad.
I think as long as we clarify that we've been thinking about this long before Asuma's declaration, we'll be fine.

CCnJ that the rank is barely even tangential to the Dragons, and that we can, indeed, back that promotion up with our sealing stat, we'll be fine. Since we can back it up, it won't be seen as Asuma giving the Goketsu a freebie, it'll be something Hazou has rightfully earned.

Further, Hazou receiving a special jonin promotion would quell any rumormongering that the S-rank mission would entail. A chuunin-cum-spec jonin completing an S-rank mission is a lot more believable than a chunnin doing it... especially if we can convince Asuma to classify it as an S-rank Sealing mission instead of a Chakra Beast mission.

Which means that Hazou would gain a rank that he's already qualified for and Asuma doesn't have to expend any political capital in dispensing the S-rank mission pay to Hazou.

Further-further, Hazou having a special jonin rank means that less people would fuck with the Goketsu Clan while we work on the Dragons. Rank means something in this world, and people are willing to take a threat seriously if a special jonin is declaring it, rather than a chunnin.

That, and the QMs have hinted that having a special jonin as Clan Head might lend itself towards a boost in the Goketsu Clan's Character sheet, which will make our clan more resistant to people fucking with us while we work on the Dragons.
 
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I'm in the "Ask later" camp for the special jonin stuff. Yes, Hazō is probably qualified for it. No, this isn't the time for that. Even asking the day after is fine. Just not as part of this "Blank check but don't blatantly grab power for the Goketsu" conversation.

Things that we can ask for, which might be a bit spoon intensive but possibly already exists is access to the more secret, classified seals the tower has access to. Asuma doesn't have to give them to us, he can describe them and we can give him ideas for things we can do with them. I'm sure you're all aware of how good the hivemind is at finding alternative uses for seals.
 
Nno... I just felt pretty sure that there was one? I remember Rock standing out among the great five for having none. Also, Mist was negotiating with the Capibara Summoner before we scared them off, but I don't remember whatever became of that.
Mist has the Kani Clan, which are totally not Summoners. They also had Kisame.
 
I wonder how Waterfall stacks up to Sand at this point? They have a jinchuriki and a bunch of jounin, while Sand has uh.. Chiyou maybe, if she's still alive? Not gonna lie, I kinda wish we'd explored the traditional ninja setting, as we've ended up largely sidestepping missions and any kind of exploration in favour of stay at home sealing and training and meetings, and by the time we stop doing that we'll be too strong to really care all that much about most of these.
 
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Can you elaborate on the Kani? I barely remember anything.
Keiko can tell you that the Kani style themselves summoners, but their crabs are actually nothing more than chakra constructs, unworthy of meaningful discussion, much less the degree of praise and adulation that the Kani receive on a daily basis despite the comparatively low value they offer in the field and no she doesn't have a grudge why would you think that?
 
Perfect opportunity to flex

"Ah you want to kill some Dragons? Go through the Tower seals and see if anything sounds like it could help. Don't worry about how hard it is, I can learn it."
 
Perfect opportunity to flex

"Ah you want to kill some Dragons? Go through the Tower seals and see if anything sounds like it could help. Don't worry about how hard it is, I can learn it."
- Asuma : Comes out of the archives with a bunch of "Jiraiya level" seals
- Hazo : ...

Also we should really try learning Flying Thunder God at some point if we can. Since it was made by the second Hokage and Minato also learned it, the Tower definitely has that, and it would potentially massively improve our safety.
 
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Perfect opportunity to flex

"Ah you want to kill some Dragons? Go through the Tower seals and see if anything sounds like it could help. Don't worry about how hard it is, I can learn it."
- Asuma : Comes out of the archives with a bunch of "Jiraiya level" seals
- Hazo : ...

Also we should really try learning Flying Thunder God at some point if we can. Since it was made by the second Hokage and Minato also learned it, the Tower definitely has that, and it would potentially massively improve our safety.
ASUMA: [comes out of the archives with a summoning scroll]
 
To be honest, I don't like the idea of asking to be bestowed the special jōnin rank. To me the rank is not only about your theoretical capabilities but also about your role in Leaf. Do we want to tell Asuma to put whatever responsibilities he expects from a jōnin level seal researcher onto us?

At most I'd ask someone other than Asuma what it would mean to be a sealcrafting special jōnin, practically speaking. Both in the way of what would be expected of someone like that to be able to do and how much their word would mean compared to before. Maybe one of the friendlier elder sealsmiths from one of the friendlier Clans.
I already wanted Hazō to talk with one of them anyway, for a very related reason. Even if none of them can offer anything in the way of practical skill-oriented advice, they are still a font of knowledge when it comes to Leaf sealsmith culture. And thus another avenue to approach Leaf Clans both with humility and interest, but also from a position of unstated strength.
 
Do we want to tell Asuma to put whatever responsibilities he expects from a jōnin level seal researcher onto us?
We have a Summoning Scroll but don't go on Summoner missions. I suspect the same would apply here. At most, he'd ask us to research seals for the Tower. Something he's already told Hazou he's going to do. And something Hazou's already agreed to.
 
Asuma: "I'm here to help you, just don't use this opportunity to seize personal power for the Goketsu. Work with me here."

Hivemind: "What if we use this opportunity to seize a bunch of personal power for the Goketsu, under the guise of working with Asuma?"

Me: -.-
 
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[X] Action Plan: The Means to Preserve the World
Word Count: TBD
  • Sanity Check with Mari/Kei
  • Asuma
    • Hazou must improve his Sealing to fix the GS
      • Does Asuma know if anyone has access to sealing notes (XP lootboxes) from the 4th Hokage? Would Asuma facilitate obtaining a copy from Naruto?
    • Hazou's Resolve is affected by the Dragons in a unique way after his experience at the Great Seal
      • Are there any Resolve boosting jutsu that Asuma knows about? The Yamanaka perhaps?
    • It seems to Hazou that having another combatant capable of casting the EM nuke would be a valuable thing to have on the battlefield
      • This is not a naked power grab, Hazou will work to sell this to the other Clans
    • It would much easier to repatriate Mareo (Bear Summoner) with ANBU support
    • A possible material to use for 3-D seals is chakra metal. Does the Tower have any lying around?
      • We aren't asking for your trench knives obviously.
      • Itachi mentioned that CM comes from chakra golems, does the Tower have any information about them?
    • Hazou has no source of Secret Lore
      • If our revamped GS is not to fail, Hazou needs to know what went wrong with the original
        • The Dragons escaping their prison after what Pain did with the Bijuu is .... conspicuous
        • It's possible that the seal proliferation on the Seventh Path is to blame
        • Kei's bloodline - one of the Five(?) has dangerous interactions with the Seventh Path
      • So what does Asuma know of the Nine and the Five, and how they relate to the Sage?
  • Conclave
    • Introductions.
      • Present tribute (Driver Ants) to Pangolins first, thank them for graciously hosting Clans.
      • Make further introductions and give tributes in order recommended by advisors.
        • If Kumokogo/advisors approve, mention to Condors that Kumokogo was awed by Conjura's legend.
      • Potential Conclave gift contributions:
        • Earthshaped jewels/statues, exotic Human foods/spices, books, silk tapestries/other Arachnid goods.
    • Find people to pay for information. Who's likely to oppose us? Where can we find them? What helps us keep them from starting combat on their terms?
    • Make comfortable arrangements for Horizon Chasers.
  • Oro
    • Visit the Basement on schedule
      • Bring notes/sketches depicting the GS to "use" to make the ES model
      • Suggest using chakra metal as a 3D sealing material
        • Itachi mentioned that CM came from terrifying chakra golems
          • With SC and skyslicers Hazou thinks such golems might be vulnerable
            • Unless you know better of course
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Suggestions welcome as always, ping me here on on Discord if you want things implemented. It's not WC optimized so there is significant cutting to do. Please keep that in mind.
 
To summarize, add, and repeat some things to ask for:

- Knowledge. Every summoner needs to pump their clans for information, every clan head needs to search their archives. Any scrap of lore, any hint, needs to be collated and connected.

- Connections. Every summoner should be pushing their summon clan to contact their neighboring clans and requesting for them to attend the conclave, and if they lack a summoner, information on their scrolls last known location. Oro needs to have the snakes contact Boar, Porcupine needs to contact Hyena and Hare, ect. Asuma should consider involving Akatsuki. Better Akatsuki die against the dragons than Leaf nin.

- Power. SC for Kagome. He's the third best sealmaster in Leaf, giving him another 20+ hours a day to research would be indispensable. If he does do this, he should supply Leaf some of the researched Minato seals, once they become useful. We should also ask for any relevant sealing notes, if they exist.

- The squirrel and bear scrolls.
  • Asuma should get a high powered infiltration squad. (e.g. Kurenei, Chouza, an Inuzuka, some stealthy Anbu?) to go into squirrel and nab the scroll. Give it to the strongest E. Jonin, or the most talented diplomat Jonin. (e.g Kurenai as a talented diplomat, Chouza as a high CR beatstick who has a non-zero chance of being useful against dragons.)
  • Have a similar squad escort Mareo back to Leaf, except they must also be able to harmlessly incapacitate him should he grow violently confused.
    • If he doesn't want to do this, have him reveal to us his reverse summon point, so that when age eventually claims him his scroll can be used for good.

- And finally an oath. Protections for clan secrets anybody shares for the purpose of fighting the dragons, bound by honor among allies and the Hokages wrath for oathbreakers. Those who we believe when they swear said oath should be outfitted with every clan secret the Goketsu have that could possibly be useful, short FOOM and things that are not our secrets to propogate (e.g. pangolin jutsu.)

Asuma is going for full cooperation, and so should we.
 
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Hazou has no source of Secret Lore
  • If our revamped GS is not to fail, Hazou needs to know what went wrong with the original
Perhaps worth bringing up that our "diagnostic seals" detected that there was a massive seal in Nagi recently, specifically where the ritual was taking place. The timing of the GS degrading matches when the ritual occurred, it's possible the two events are related. Someone moved the Nagi seal, it would be helpful to put more resources into finding out what happened to it.
 
[X] Action Plan: The Means to Preserve the World
Word Count: TBD
  • Sanity Check with Mari/Kei
  • Asuma
    • Hazou must improve his Sealing to fix the GS
      • Does Asuma know if anyone has access to sealing notes (XP lootboxes) from the 4th Hokage? Would Asuma facilitate obtaining a copy from Naruto?
    • Hazou's Resolve is affected by the Dragons in a unique way after his experience at the Great Seal
      • Are there any Resolve boosting jutsu that Asuma knows about? The Yamanaka perhaps?
    • It seems to Hazou that having another combatant capable of casting the EM nuke would be a valuable thing to have on the battlefield
      • This is not a naked power grab, Hazou will work to sell this to the other Clans
    • It would much easier to repatriate Mareo (Bear Summoner) with ANBU support
    • A possible material to use for 3-D seals is chakra metal. Does the Tower have any lying around?
      • We aren't asking for your trench knives obviously.
      • Itachi mentioned that CM comes from chakra golems, does the Tower have any information about them?
    • Hazou has no source of Secret Lore
      • If our revamped GS is not to fail, Hazou needs to know what went wrong with the original
        • The Dragons escaping their prison after what Pain did with the Bijuu is .... conspicuous
        • It's possible that the seal proliferation on the Seventh Path is to blame
        • Kei's bloodline - one of the Five(?) has dangerous interactions with the Seventh Path
      • So what does Asuma know of the Nine and the Five, and how they relate to the Sage?
  • Conclave
    • Introductions.
      • Present tribute (Driver Ants) to Pangolins first, thank them for graciously hosting Clans.
      • Make further introductions and give tributes in order recommended by advisors.
        • If Kumokogo/advisors approve, mention to Condors that Kumokogo was awed by Conjura's legend.
      • Potential Conclave gift contributions:
        • Earthshaped jewels/statues, exotic Human foods/spices, books, silk tapestries/other Arachnid goods.
    • Find people to pay for information. Who's likely to oppose us? Where can we find them? What helps us keep them from starting combat on their terms?
    • Make comfortable arrangements for Horizon Chasers.
  • Oro
    • Visit the Basement on schedule
      • Bring notes/sketches depicting the GS to "use" to make the ES model
      • Suggest using chakra metal as a 3D sealing material
        • Itachi mentioned that CM came from terrifying chakra golems
          • With SC and skyslicers Hazou thinks such golems might be vulnerable
            • Unless you know better of course
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Suggestions welcome as always, ping me here on on Discord if you want things implemented. It's not WC optimized so there is significant cutting to do. Please keep that in mind.

Not sure about referring to "Resolve" with that name. Maybe willpower? Mind resistance? And maybe don't mention the Yamanaka. Let him make that connection.

As for Akane getting a scroll, I think it makes more sense to simply ask Asuma to give freedom rather than support. If he allows us to take Mari, Akane, Yuno, and possibly Noburi, then we can go get the scrolls on a Goketsu-only mission and no one has room to complain. We definitely also want Mari to get a scroll.

Also I still say asking for SC for or the rights to teach it to Kagome and Noburi make sense. Those are two very important pieces to the Dragon fight, albeit with different roles. More Kagomes = more sealing = faster solving of the Great Seal.

We should probably also be less specific on stuff like Kei's bloodline. Ask for lore, ask for the Five, and stuff, but don't connect it to people we know and love.

Finally, not sure about giving Oro the Chakra Metal tip, unless we're asking him to share. We might accidentally accelerate his 3D sealing plans that way.
 
[X] Interlude: Lore Update
[X] Interlude: Yuno's New Genin Team

I personally would like more time before the Asuma conversation, so unless the QMs will let us do more conclave stuff and then retcon that conversation (as they've allowed before, but for obvious reasons they might not want to now) I'll probably only be voting for an interlude.

[X] Training plan Hazō: commit to ES50

Now that calligraphy is at 40, I'm in favor of going for ES50. Sage willing we'll finally be able to do 3D sealing.
 
[X] Training plan Hazō: commit to ES50
[X] Interlude: Lore Update

Voting this for now but please keep updating yalls plans. I'm not going to worry about drafting an Asuma plan, I'm gonna focus on making a Conclave politics plan for next Velorien update
 
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