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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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[x] Plan: If It Isn't Broken
-[X] [Commander Name]: Name the position of Commander for The Hearth Guard, or more accurately for Rudil, because the boy has found himself taking on many of the duties the position entails more by accident than any real desire for it.
--[X] Hearth Lord
-[X] [Champion Name]: Name the position of Champion of The Hearth Guard
--[X] Keeper of the Flame
-[X] [Champion Purpose]: What will the Champion's purpose be.
--[X] Exemplar: The Champion is to be the greatest example of what it means to be a Hearthwarden. One who understands intrinsically what your group entails and goes above and beyond to fulfill its stated purpose
 
This gave me far too much of a giggle when I spotted it:
-- To your imminent surprise this material can accept Armour Runes, not as efficiently as Gromril, but considering such Runes required Gromril in the first place it is a staggering revelation. You doubt Dawi are going to start trapezing (traipsing) about in wooden armour anytime soon, but it's interesting to know. If there were ways to improve the material's natural toughness…
I wasn't aware dwarven trapeze acrobats were such a big deal that Snorri would take them into account as a large part of the armour market, I imagine wooden armour would make it a lot easier than metal armour though.
 
I would rather knock out chain gromril next turn and then finish the 1 turn of research we had. The chain is such an easy prestige gain, but one that could theoretically be sniped by another runesmith. I doubt anyone is going to stumble on alchemy like Snorri has anytime soon. We've got time on that one.
 
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"Its a problem that people only see one aspect of Grimnir. I should make it so that they only see the aspect that I see."
You realise that Snorri was acknowledging that his knowledge was just as incomplete.
Well then maybe it would be good for someone to document that properly, so that he won't be remembered only as The Slayer. Which is, you know, what happened in canon. I wonder what is durable enough to survive for seven thousand years. Could it perhaps be adamant statue?
 
By the way, @soulcake, I'd like to thank you for making the Gronti in this update.

It really helps a lot. Both by demonstrating to us what the new and upgraded MWaking is capable of, and also showing some combinations (but not combos) of Runes on the Gronti, too.

It was a great way to whet people's appetites -- because, we've been spending a lot of time talking about Golems in the thread, but never get around to making them, and we also aren't sure of how our MWaking and Golem stuff works. So having that demonstrated is great.

Plus, as said, whetting the appetite for something people are excited about (but can never agree on the specifics of), is good. Just... good writing/GMing there. :)
 
By the way, @soulcake, I'd like to thank you for making the Gronti in this update.

It really helps a lot. Both by demonstrating to us what the new and upgraded MWaking is capable of, and also showing some combinations (but not combos) of Runes on the Gronti, too.

It was a great way to whet people's appetites -- because, we've been spending a lot of time talking about Golems in the thread, but never get around to making them, and we also aren't sure of how our MWaking and Golem stuff works. So having that demonstrated is great.

Plus, as said, whetting the appetite for something people are excited about (but can never agree on the specifics of), is good. Just... good writing/GMing there. :)
I'm sure it was as much a reasonable IC decision as anything.
 
Well then maybe it would be good for someone to document that properly, so that he won't be remembered only as The Slayer. Which is, you know, what happened in canon. I wonder what is durable enough to survive for seven thousand years. Could it perhaps be adamant statue?
Good idea.
If the dwarves are known for exactly one thing its their distaste for oversized statues.
If they're known for a second it would be their indifference to accurate historical record keeping.
 
If they're known for a second it would be their indifference to accurate historical record keeping.
Ah yes. You mean, like, say, Age of Woes destroying significant part of their records? Like what happened in canon?

Its not as if canon dawi forgot Grimnir was a great warrior, but his greatest significance has always seemed to me to be Slayer God. His accomplishments are glossed over the fact that he ventured over into Chaos Wastes. So maybe, just maybe, it would be good to pay homage by making a mythical tier statue to the Aspect that seems to be understated.
 
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Ah yes. You mean, like, say, Age of Woes destroying significant part of their records? Like what happened in canon?

Its not as if canon dawi forgot Grimnir was a great warrior, but his greatest significance has always seemed to me to be Slayer God. His accomplishments are glossed over the fact that he ventured over into Chaos Wastes. So maybe, just maybe, it would be good to pay homage by making a mythical tier statue to the Aspect that seems to be understated.
If the time of woes was so severe that it destroyed every record of Grimnir except 'then he got naked, spiked up a mohawk and wandered into the chaos wastes and was never seen again' then we have bigger problems and I'm amazed that people still worship him.
 
I mean if he did reach it he would have closed it and the vortex would have been useless , so he could have returned to the dwarfs.
actually if he did succeed caldor dragon tamer would have been free and taken malikath as his apprentice and the elves problems wouldn't have happen .
so yeah he didn't.
do you want to be the one to insinuate he didn't?
 
If the time of woes was so severe that it destroyed every record of Grimnir except 'then he got naked, spiked up a mohawk and wandered into the chaos wastes and was never seen again' then we have bigger problems and I'm amazed that people still worship him.
Did you completely miss the second paragraph i wrote? I deadass said that its not just what is remembered, but what the emphasis is laid on in his worship. By wiki quote sourced to Stone & Steel:

"Grimnir is portrayed as a muscular Dwarf, his body covered with tattoos and ritual scars, wearing the spiked orange crest and exotic jewellery of a Slayer. He is clad in chain mail and is armed with the axe Az-Dreugidum ("Waraxe of Doom"). "

So he is remembered as primarily the Slayer. He does not go naked as Slayers are wont to do, but this is how he is apparently depicted in probably every temple through Karaz Ankor. Considering that mythical works are works that can steer the fates of entire race, i don't see why we shouldn't make something actually seriously goddamn impressive to relay his other Aspect properly. Pay some homage to it.
 
I'm kind of hoping that Snorri may be able to put his thumb on the scale in regards to the Cult of Grimnir grumblings. Because the sheer waste of skill, talent and dwarf-power that the Slayer tradition creates would be a constant drain on their society. And I think that that would offend him on a soul-deep level. And it'd be a thousand times worse after the Time of Woes.
 
I'm kind of hoping that Snorri may be able to put his thumb on the scale in regards to the Cult of Grimnir grumblings. Because the sheer waste of skill, talent and dwarf-power that the Slayer tradition creates would be a constant drain on their society. And I think that that would offend him on a soul-deep level. And it'd be a thousand times worse after the Time of Woes.
we could make the golem
[ ] [Difficult] Write in, The Valiant Ancestor Golem Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. Apply optional Rune Ingredients here. Since returning from the campaign you've been reflecting on Grimnir and how he fought, twin axes flashing. And now, He is gone. Grimnir's departure will be forever seared into the hearts and minds of the Karaz Ankor, of that you have no doubt. But what about His life? Unlike most, you are one of the honored few to have met Him in person, to have spoken with Him. You shall make a Gronti to remind the world and all future generations of His deeds, of His glorious life. The size of a Bloodthirster, a living altar of Pure Gromril clad in everlasting Adamant, eternally guarding the Everlasting Realm.

however i think the valient one would be much better for it woudl expclity push the focus awya from him being a fighter and a slayer but toward his brillance and him being a general and all/ Procter of dawi both would prob be the best option to stop the slayer tradation in it tracks

[ ] [Difficult] Write in, Regalia of The Valiant. Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. Apply optional Rune Ingredients here. Choose 2. He is armed and armored, but more than a fighter, Grimnir was the finest general your people have ever, and will ever, have. A leader like no other, He strikes fear into the hearts of His foes, His brilliance unmatched, His presence unmistakable. A banner and a crown you shall create, at last, to tell of His deeds during the Coming of Chaos and remind stout dawi of who fights for them. What matters if the enemy is an army of Greater Daemons, a tide of corruption that blots out the skies and swallows the land? The Ancestors are on our side, and that's all we will ever need.
- [ ] Choose: choose three runes you want on the weapon.
- [ ] Theme: write in a theme for the weapon. (I will roll to see if you find a new combo)
- [ ] GM: Leave it to the GM. (I will roll to see if you find a new combo)
- [ ] Function: Give a function or effect for the item in question and the type of equipment. (I will do my best to fulfill the desired effect, if impossible or requiring materials I will alert you. I will roll to see if you find a new combo)
 
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I mean if he did reach it he would have closed it and the vortex would have been useless , so he could have returned to the dwarfs.
actually if he did succeed caldor dragon tamer would have been free and taken malikath as his apprentice and the elves problems wouldn't have happen .
so yeah he didn't.
pretty sure the insinuation is that he reached it but couldn't close it so he's murderblending the endless hordes of deamons that want to try their luck at getting through while the vortex was made and kinda closed the door Grimnir is the lock, except it murders whoever tries to pick it
 
Haven't read all the posts sense the update dropped but I don't think anyone mentioned how completing Hearthstones gave us progress on Movement of Things when it's explicitly stated in the research that the next step is interacting with the Master Rune of Wakings connection to Deep Magic directly. Which means that the Hearthstones gave us progress on Deep Magic.

Also,@soulcake, how viable does Snorri think it would be to make armor entirely out of Hearthstones, given their ability to enhance the ability of Runes placed on them? I doubt it would compare to Gromril obviously.
 
So next turn we finally going to finish the Zhafazul and put 2 actions into the Dronril, Dronwut action? We spend the favor for all four bonus help we could finish both next turn and have an action to spare.

For that what do you guys say to taking the wedding gift commission? We could do that Dragon Horn for the Dragon Hold idea from way back. That counts as a Talisman right?
 
"Its a problem that people only see one aspect of Grimnir. I should make it so that they only see the aspect that I see."
You realise that Snorri was acknowledging that his knowledge was just as incomplete.
Yes, just as he is acknowledging that his own point of view is in extreme minority as he got it by meeting Grimnir in the flesh.

Which is, to go back to my original post, more or less why the write-in was made. So that we could immortalize that side of Grimnir that so very few people have seen and is now more or less impossible to witness.
 
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