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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
Can this be "nina wire" instead of "garotte wire"?
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Who is nina and why are we taking her wire?

No no no bringing ninja wire on a platform set in the sky might lead to Ami realizing that one could use 5SB'd ninja wire to raise that platform to an arbitrary height and we'll all be executed for an INFOSEC breach

What the hell is ninja wire, anyway?

Is ninja wire sharp? It's not, is it? Narutopedia is all about how it could be used to bind people, not cut them, so no, I can't

Wait, I misunderstood, garrotes aren't sharp either: they strangle, not cut! That defeats the purpose. @RandomOTP, I'm going back to barbed wire. I'm sure they can figure out how to not cut themselves.
 
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Noumero said:
Who is nina and why are we taking her wire?

No no no bringing ninja wire on a platform set in the sky might lead to Ami realizing that one could use 5SB'd ninja wire to raise that platform to an arbitrary height and we'll all be executed for an INFOSEC breach

What the hell is ninja wire, anyway?

Is ninja wire sharp? It's not, is it? Narutopedia is all about how it could be used used to bind people, not cut them, so no, I can't

Wait, I misunderstood, garrotes aren't sharp either: they strangle, not cut! That defeats the purpose. @RandomOTP, I'm going back to barbed wire. I'm sure they can figure out how to not cut themselves.
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Velorien said:
Today, Mari made sure to catch her in the morning before she left. When she came in, Ami was busy playing cat's cradle with what looked like razor-sharp ninja wire, the kind where just a little too much tension could result in body parts being cut off. Mari could vaguely make out a guillotine being folded into place.
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Sounds like there's ninja wire sharp enough to cut.
 
Noumero said:
[x] This Plan Secretly Aims to Kill Ami by Feeding Her to a Sky Squid. (Don't Tell Hazou!)
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  • Prepare with Mari. Compare your conclusions with Mari's knowledge.
  • Note: Ami'll probably know the meeting is caused by Keiko wanting you to trust Ami because of some new development. Tacitly let it stay in context.
    • Precommit to avoid elaborating. Terminate the meeting if she starts digging.
  • Goal: Progress towards developing trust and learning her priorities.
    • Expectation management: It's unlikely you'll be able to take any answer she gives at face value.
  • Arrangements:
    • Set up an 5SB-supported platform at the top of the tallest tree around Leaf. (Provided it isn't in a restricted area.)
      • Not a skytower.
      • Anti-Hyuuga seal + Air Dome against wind and eavesdropping.
      • Pros: Private. Scenic. Exciting. Reminiscent of the Battle of the Heavens. Might spot a sky squid.
    • Order food from the Yabai Café. Commission a "creatively baked" cake.
      • If Keiko/Mari know Ami's preferences, commission her favourites.
    • Get a tabletop game with the weirdest rules. (If it needs more than two players, just play several characters simultaneously.)
      • Play it as you talk.
    • Bring barbed wire. Practice braiding it into hair beforehand, so it's safe for you, but would cut whoever grabs your hair.
  • Meeting:
    • She likes enigmatic questions. Open with one:
      • "If you could have anything you want, but you don't know what you want, what do you take?"
    • Onto the topic: Keiko's loyalties are divided between three factions now, which is causing her stress. You suspect two of these factions have goals flexible and compatible enough that the friction between them could be greatly ameliorated. Ami's the only one who knows if it's so. Would she be willing to give up the advantage of unpredictability against you?
    • If she refuses to share her goals, or gives a suspiciously convenient answer:
      • You think she doesn't have a specific goal. She's shooting for the stars because standing still has fatal opportunity costs, but her only object-level priorities are freedom and power — so that, if she ever decides what she wants, she'll be able to make it happen. In the meantime, she chooses to be disassociated from everything, "numb to love and hate", because attachments bridle her.
      • You can work with that. At least, it ensures that she's unlikely to work against you while you remain Keiko's family and in power; you have no plans of losing either status.
      • If she's ever interested in a discussion about the meaning of life and an individual's place in the universe, she knows where to find you.
    • Anyway, how about that mutual hair-braiding? You grew it out and brought barbed wire and everything.
      • You're considering adding hair ornaments with small seals slotted in...
      • She owes you a souvenir!
      • Small-talk about your miscellaneous plots. You recently ran into this annoying Hyuuga/Minami conflict when working on the Seventh Path trade network...
        • And no, you don't have to pay her royalties, you'd arrived at the idea independently, and before her. What was that about "summoners have the right to", by the way?
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How does not-skytower works?
 
RandomOTP said:
The Iron Mine will eventually bring in a lot of money, but we'll need to set up stuff to help us in the interim.
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They would probably bring fair amount of revenue, but it's not a moneymaker compared to spices, salt or otherwise.

RandomOTP said:
The Jaybird isn't making money right now, do you think Mari could help with that? Spin some PR, maybe introduce more Leaf-specific stuff to their menu? Reduce the amount of Mist meals that could (easily) be cooked improperly? Once we get the Goketsu Town's farms up and running, we'll be able to cut our food costs by using their surpluses to supplement the Jaybird's food usage.
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Naked Jaybird is a restaurant, and isn't a real moneymaker. It's a diplomacy and espionage tool. We could branch into something else by adding extra rooms to it, but I struggle to think of anything particularly lucrative.
 
Noumero said:
I'll have you know our relationship with the Yabai Café extends to well before the Ami date at Yukizome's Experimental Cuisine, so if anything, it's she who copied us. Acausally stole the idea, probably. Like with creative training! I'd call her out on that, but I can't come up with a good phrasing. Any ideas? @MMKII, anyone?
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From her perspective it looks like we are just emulating her, buying food from a "crazy" restaurant and one from a normal one.

Noumero said:
Mari's plan included us making a billion-ryo purchase and making an even bigger deal out of the fact that the purchase was made using Gouketsu scrip. I'm pretty sure it's all public. @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, am I wrong?
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Just because it's not a secret, doesn't mean we need to tell her. But you removed it, so just keep it that way!
 
Kiba said:
They would probably bring fair amount of revenue, but it's not a moneymaker compared to spices, salt or otherwise. Naked Jaybird is a restaurant, and isn't a real moneymaker. It's a diplomacy and espionage tool. We could branch into something else by adding extra rooms to it, but I struggle to think of anything particularly lucrative.
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*shrug*
So let's think of some things. The Iron Mine would help and is probably something we'll do soon-ish, but... other than the salt stacks, selling seals, and the possible citrus trade, I can't really think of anything else. Well, the skygliders will probably sell well once we get those done, but I suspect that it'll take too long for those to be a solution.
 
RandomOTP said:
*shrug*
So let's think of some things. The Iron Mine would help and is probably something we'll do soon-ish, but... other than the salt stacks, selling seals, and the possible citrus trade, I can't really think of anything else. Well, the skygliders will probably sell well once we get those done, but I suspect that it'll take too long for those to be a solution.
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It's not like we are the middle of sitting up an interdimensional shipping company that soon all the trade between the 7th path and fire country will be going through.
 
faflec said:
Sounds like there's ninja wire sharp enough to cut.
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Okay, done.
Kiba said:
How does not-skytower works?
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Like a skytower, except built on a tree, not on temporary structures made of ninja wire.
ContextBot said:
From her perspective it looks like we are just emulating her, buying food from a "crazy" restaurant and one from a normal one.
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We aren't bringing any food from a normal restaurant, what are you talking about?
 
Speaking of skytowers @Noumero I think we should make a regular tree-platform, without the aid of 5SB; @eaglejarl's comment makes me think that the '5SB-supported platform' is still gonna hold up to ridiculous forces, and...

I dunno. I just feel really, really, paranoid suddenly about that part.
 
Oneiros said:
It's not like we are the middle of sitting up an interdimensional shipping company that soon all the trade between the 7th path and fire country will be going through.
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Ha! Fair point xD
faflec said:
I dunno. I just feel really, really, paranoid suddenly about that part.
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I second this, if it makes any difference. It's always worrying when the QMs poke their heads in to ask for clarity. It's a little like if a DM asks "are you sure" or, worse yet, "and how do you do that?"
 
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ContextBot said:
I thought the second point was a different dish.
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Clarified.
faflec said:
Speaking of skytowers @Noumero I think we should make a regular tree-platform, without the aid of 5SB; @eaglejarl's comment makes me think that the '5SB-supported platform' is still gonna hold up to ridiculous forces, and...

I dunno. I just feel really, really, paranoid suddenly about that part.
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Is this fine?:
Noumero said:
  • Install a platform at the top of the tallest tree around Leaf. (Provided it isn't in a restricted area.)
    • Not a skytower. If you'll have to use 5SBs, disguise them.
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So, I've been thinking about chakra and exercising relaxed presumptions. The ones which bore the most fruit were temporal.

Could chakra be retrotemporal? Specifically, could it represent the user's sum eventual effect upon the world?

Powerful shinobi inherently affect the world. What if their chakra capacity and regeneration intently represented their accumulated change relative to if they had not been? Chakra beasts and demons represent a sink for what humanity would have been without it? Jounin don't have an exam because sufficiently powerful shinobi develop an aura- possibly even in advance- representing their participation in events which any other jounin can glance at and catagorically agree, "yup, that's a jounin"? The Sage's failure an attempt to recursively seize the future to elevate humanity to godhood and Nagato's an attempt to unravel the thread in the reverse direction?

The GMs have compared chakra to time before...


Shrooms said:
So, after this Ami talk and clearing the mine, what are our immediate goals?

We should probably decide who we're going to adopt, as well as make up our minds and give a response to Akane
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Kagome says that tame skysquid are a thing, so why not look into that? Where would they hide their eggs?


RandomOTP said:
I'd at least like to do a sanity check with Mari, Noburi, and Keiko. I agree that Asuma probably won't care, but our tendency to keep secrets --important though it might be --has burned us before. If nothing else, we can prep everything (build the infrastructure, clear the land, etc) and then do a last minute check with Asuma before we invite farmers and miners to the town.
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Reminder that the town needs a mill look the nearby river.


Shrooms said:
I'd like to note that it's not really feasible to defend this town until we have more ninja
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Walls and civilian-activated explosive tags wrapped around crossbow bolts.


eaglejarl said:
What's the difference between a skytower (a 5SB-supported platform in midair) and a 5SB-supported platform at the top of the tallest tree you can find?
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...an Inuzaka engineer?


RandomOTP said:
*shrug*
So let's think of some things. The Iron Mine would help and is probably something we'll do soon-ish, but... other than the salt stacks, selling seals, and the possible citrus trade, I can't really think of anything else. Well, the skygliders will probably sell well once we get those done, but I suspect that it'll take too long for those to be a solution.
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*Grumble grumble*
 
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Lailoken said:
Reminder that the town needs a mill look the nearby river.
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There's all ready one nearby
eaglejarl said:
"Absolutely! I'd sell it with a song in my heart, My Lord. All my money comes from the mills and the smithy in the northernmost valley, and I've just now come to Leaf to try to set up contracts for the nut flour. The lake and the mine and the other valley are nothing but an anchor around my neck, My Lord."
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Ami style resolve training ideas
Go through the day with ants in your pants
Eat spicy stuff
Self harm continuously
Think of the summoning scroll
 
I wonder if Itachi ever says "would you kindly" while genjutsu-ing people? And, you know, it seems in character for Ami to say "A man chooses, a slave obeys." And Hazou seems like the kind of guy who would say "No gods or kings. Only man."

I feel the sudden urge to write an Omake along these lines. Orochimaru creating Big Daddies to protect Little Sisters who have been engineered to have the Vampiric Dew bloodline.
 
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