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Jiraiya left you notes on the Summon Clans:
Note that I gave you permission to do that for my plan. Ask @Velorien if he's okay with it.
EM does not stack, so what do you mean by 'indirect' stacking?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Not @1234qwerty, but we could store EM-chilled air in a Tunneler's Friend and unseal it elsewhere, then chill it with a second application?
Just a thought.
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I wonder if we could invent mass production?
I wonder, If we work with Hyūga to get Isan to ally with us, would we be able to split a prize somehow? Or do we have to make sure that Gōketsu is the only clan involved?
Ideas
- What if we go to the Swamp Of Death, and collect samples that Noburi can analyze for new poisons and medicines?
- Could we invent the scientific method? I doubt they have it yet, and it could be very useful for Tsunade's research. Orochimaru may already have something like it, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's shared it with anyone else.
- Skysliders are obviously something we will want to work on.
- We can invent multiple things and let different members of the clan present them in order to try for multiple prizes, or we can have Hazō present all of the inventions himself in order to have the highest chance of getting a prize. We're up against clans like the Nara who are filled with geniuses and the Hyūga who could simply release one of their secret techniques or do tons of medical research using the Byakugan.
- There are tons of clanless who will be heavily incentivized to try for these prizes. Many of them could have excellent ideas but no resources to enact them. We could offer these people the resources necessary. These people would be likely to go on to be very important if they win, founding a voting clan or perhaps a business or something, and we could gain a lot from them knowing that we gave them their big break.
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Regarding the competition, there's the question of how many separate entries we want to submit. Having everything submitted by one person makes it more likely to win at least one prize. Even more so if we collaborate with another clan and share the prize. But whenever we are reasonably sure that a submitted gift (or set of submitted gifts) will get into the top 5 we should consider submitting subsequent stuff under a new name to win more prizes.
By the way, is everyone else also aware of the fact that any of the older clans can just grab a bunch of their clan secrets that they are okay with sparing and submit those with no additional innovation or effort needed? Or that Orochimaru can probably grab as many prizes as he can be bothered finding controllable Leaf members in good standing?
Edit: Partially shinobi'd
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
Which is the strongest non-voting ninja clan of Leaf and what do we know about them?
Also, the Shimura is officially a dead clan, but their extended family that was deliberately kept out of the clan by Danzo would like to reform it. Or at least that's what that ninja that we met escorting Ami said.
By the way, is everyone else also aware of the fact that any of the older clans can just grab a bunch of their clan secrets that they are okay with sparing and submit those with no additional innovation or effort needed? Or that Orochimaru can probably grab as many prizes as he can be bothered finding controllable Leaf members in good standing?
Edit: Partially shinobi'd
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
Which is the strongest non-voting ninja clan of Leaf and what do we know about them?
Also, the Shimura is officially a dead clan, but their extended family that was deliberately kept out of the clan by Danzo would like to reform it. Or at least that's what that ninja that we met escorting Ami said.
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The staff at Command Central say that it's obviously up to the Hokage as to what, if anything, gets classified, but that their understanding is that most or all of the contributions will be publicly shared.
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I mean...yes? Asuma doesn't particularly care if the contributions are new, he just cares that they're useful.
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Sorry. That part was for the players, not the in-story characters. I didn't see much talk about what exactly we were competing against and wanted to make sure we aren't too optimistic about this whole thing.
The question to you guys were the ones below your names in my comment. That said, I would be just a bit sad if the contest ends with the anti-climax of Orochimaru founding a clan, Kabuto getting the Dog scroll before being adopted, and three luphanzed genin taking the other three prizes.
Fly meat experiment would be much simpler to run.
I don't mind being friend with Hinata, but I don't think friending Hinata count for higher priority than working on skyslider, decoding J's notes, and whatever else we can contribute to the village.
The Goketsu are high priority targets for any random village ninja simply because Hazo and Kagome are the sealmasters who invented skywalkers. I would scrap any missions that have us escorting merchants or acting as baits or having our location simply leaked.
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Not faflec but there was for sure a scene where Hazou gave the idea to keiko and she was really happy since it was the first plan in a long time he asked her to optimize. Was before the sinkhole.
[X] Action Plan: Lifty Uplift
Check with clan as per usual.
Strategic questions:
Check with clan as per usual.
Strategic questions:
- Mari: Won't Tsunade becomes murderously mad if she found out about your pox blanket idea?
- Prize: Should we aim for focusing on one individual/one prize or could we afford to try to snag two prizes with two individuals?
- Hazo thinks he has a few good ideas to snag a prize but competition may be fierce due to clans with established jutsu and seals.
- Noburi: Have you and Yuno comes to a decision WRT marriage?
- Kagome - Continue decoding J notes and figuring out what we have.
- Kagome and Kenta - Continue developing prototypes for the Skyslider. How to test it without prying eyes looking at the sky?
- Different shapes for the longest slide needed to be tested. The paper shiruken may not be the best form.
- Hazo - Semaphore system for light-speed communication from towers to towers(or skytowers). Demonstrate an encoding schema for messages that go with switching light on and off.
- Essentially, Morse code paired to individual Katakana.
- Sealing project. Ask Kagome if Hazo is allowed to do research again:
- Extrasensory Seal
- Assign Kenta responsibility and a reasonable budget for renovating Naked Jaybird.
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So some ways to convince ninja to improve the world via chakra and stop killing each other seem to be:
Beat in into them with violence (perhaps first allying with someone powerful
Diplomacy them into it
Become immortal/God. Then it's easier.
Do some weird chakra think like Pain tried
To those trying to accomplish the stated goal, what ways are you all trying to do it through?
Beat in into them with violence (perhaps first allying with someone powerful
Diplomacy them into it
Become immortal/God. Then it's easier.
Do some weird chakra think like Pain tried
To those trying to accomplish the stated goal, what ways are you all trying to do it through?
Cariyaga
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I mean obviously we're aiming to become immortal and godlike in power. Why would we settle for anything less?
It might be harder than the other options? Although I'm not sure about that
[x] Action Plan: Kagome forbidden lore
[x] Action Plan: fun with ninja in our estate
[x] Action Plan: Give response to Oro before he loses patience
[x] Action Plan: Check up on Mari
[x] Action Plan: ask for compensation for oro estate from Asuma
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How about we trade with the pangolins for condor jutsu? The secrecy of pangolin jutsu is valuable to them, but the condor jutsus will be looked down upon so we can get them at a much lower price. I wouldn't be surprised if we could buy them for a large enough number of driver ants.
This would be a great time todo Lailoken's idea of trading chakra beast hunting rights to the pangolins. We could trade hunting rights for all the condor jutsu we can get, and have the double gift of exotic jutsu and cleared land.
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Honestly all this talk about pushing for more than one prize has me a bit uncomfortable. Aside from lowering our chances of getting any prize at all, has anyone considered that it might make us look... arrogant or grasping?
I mean look at it from the perspective of the clanless: They have a once in a lifetime opportunity for a real goddamn chance to change their lot in life. They're already facing stiff competition, then the Goketsu - already an influential clan with a seat on the council and significant social connections, despite being made up of foreign traitors - take two of the prizes, because they aren't satisfied with their existing influence, they aren't satisfied with that plus no taxes and getting 10 million ryo per year for the rest of their lives, no, they also want 10,000 acres of land on top of that!
As for the clans: To them this is supposed to be something of a friendly competition (I mean not exactly, you don't make the prize pool for your office fantasy football league $100,000 after all). The clans will recognize that to a certain extent, they all benefit from cooperation in that so long as nobody really goes for broke, all the clans can make significant and meaningful contributions - without giving up all that much themselves - and simultaneously satisfy the Hokage and take home a nice prize on top of it for their patriotism. In come the Goketsu who don't seem to get the point (from the clan's perspective) and pull out all the stops to try and take home multiple prizes! And not only that, these jumped up traitors seem to honestly believe that they can split up their contributions and still win twice over!
All I'm saying is that, while trying for two prizes may not be against the letter of the rules as presented, it certainly seems to be against their spirit. And while I don't imagine Asuma will be particularly cranky (especially if our contributions are good enough to win twice over), I do believe that a move like this will strain relations with pretty much everyone else who wants to put in anything more than token competition.
Once again, imagine how this plays out in real life. Suppose that, in the 40 yard dash, instead of running through the finish line and celebrating his victory, Usain Bolt turned around and sprinted back to the starting line and made it back before the bronze medalist finished. Do you not think that might engender some hostility from his fellow olympians?
I mean look at it from the perspective of the clanless: They have a once in a lifetime opportunity for a real goddamn chance to change their lot in life. They're already facing stiff competition, then the Goketsu - already an influential clan with a seat on the council and significant social connections, despite being made up of foreign traitors - take two of the prizes, because they aren't satisfied with their existing influence, they aren't satisfied with that plus no taxes and getting 10 million ryo per year for the rest of their lives, no, they also want 10,000 acres of land on top of that!
As for the clans: To them this is supposed to be something of a friendly competition (I mean not exactly, you don't make the prize pool for your office fantasy football league $100,000 after all). The clans will recognize that to a certain extent, they all benefit from cooperation in that so long as nobody really goes for broke, all the clans can make significant and meaningful contributions - without giving up all that much themselves - and simultaneously satisfy the Hokage and take home a nice prize on top of it for their patriotism. In come the Goketsu who don't seem to get the point (from the clan's perspective) and pull out all the stops to try and take home multiple prizes! And not only that, these jumped up traitors seem to honestly believe that they can split up their contributions and still win twice over!
All I'm saying is that, while trying for two prizes may not be against the letter of the rules as presented, it certainly seems to be against their spirit. And while I don't imagine Asuma will be particularly cranky (especially if our contributions are good enough to win twice over), I do believe that a move like this will strain relations with pretty much everyone else who wants to put in anything more than token competition.
Once again, imagine how this plays out in real life. Suppose that, in the 40 yard dash, instead of running through the finish line and celebrating his victory, Usain Bolt turned around and sprinted back to the starting line and made it back before the bronze medalist finished. Do you not think that might engender some hostility from his fellow olympians?
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There's a couple reasons I don't agree with this line of reasoning.
1. This is a whole lot bigger than an office sportsball league; clan secrets are what make clans *clans*. The decision to share any of them at all is a big one, which is why the payouts are gigantic. It's not a friendly competition whatsoever. It's "who will mutilate themselves the most for a chance at a big payout."
2. The clanless are going to be super happy either way, since most of the results will be going to them. The entire point of this is to empower the majority of leaf, aka the clanless.
3. This is sanctioned by the Hokage, the mixture of God-Emperor and fascist dictator. It specifically states that each individual can participate. If two individuals win they won. It doesnt matter if they're from the same clan or not.
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1. You're right, like I said, you don't make the prize pool for your office sportsball league 100 grand. But among the clans I imagine there's a certain expectation that nobody's going to chop off both their own arms in this competition. The Goketsu going full balls to the wall to try and claim two prizes therefore raises the bar for what everyone else has to sacrifice if they want to win.
2. Uhhh... no it isn't? The point of this competition is to empower the State of Leaf, not improve the lives of its constituents. In fact, I doubt that 'improving living standards for the clanless in Leaf' would be weighted very heavily in Asuma's estimation of what is valuable to 'Leaf as a whole' (unless this also went hand in hand with an improvement in the performance of clanless ninja, in which case that is what is being weighed).
3. It does, but given the major role of clans in this society, I expect that there is an unwritten/unstated assumption among the vast majority of Leaf that members of the same clan are kinda-sorta treated as the same person for this competition, and that each clan will be limited to a single prize. Like I said, a clan attempting to get two prizes is within the letter of the rules, but (to me at least) it seems to violate the spirit.
Edit: Corollary to 3 - If one of the prizes chosen is the Third option (6 months with Ebisu), I imagine that would take some of the salt out of everybody's wounds, since that one is the most 'personal' prize.
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Cariyaga
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My predictions for major contenders:
ISC: They will all collaborate, committing their clans' resources under one-two people.
Proto-ISC, for the same reasons.
Hyuuga: Can provide any number of seals to Leaf, foreign and domestic. Lots of other stuff for them, too.
Uchiha: Can provide innumerable techniques. Will likely aim for 4 for the +5 adoptees.
ISC: They will all collaborate, committing their clans' resources under one-two people.
Proto-ISC, for the same reasons.
Hyuuga: Can provide any number of seals to Leaf, foreign and domestic. Lots of other stuff for them, too.
Uchiha: Can provide innumerable techniques. Will likely aim for 4 for the +5 adoptees.
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Hm; so submission rules clearly specify that the submitting person has to be a Leaf ninja (they clearly thought of Ami
) - but this doesn't. Is this how she defects to Leaf - by nitpicking rules and having someone include her as a founder? zap lunch
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1. If anything, the Gouketsu putting enough in to win two prizes just means they're willing to sacrifice twice as much for leaf as anyone else. It's good publicity.
2. Empower as in "punch harder and die less" not quality of living. Jutsu shared is mostly going to be made public domain. Guess who has practically no jutsu other than the academy ~~three~~ twin techniques.
3. There's no way clans are treated as a single person, otherwise that one reward would make an entire clan tax exempt. Imagine the hagoromo getting that. Asuma is smart, there's not a snowballs chance in bear that that's the way it works.
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Cariyaga
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This is a good thing, tbh. They can get pissy with us all they like; by doing this we're making Konoha stronger. If they want to be competition for us, they can make Konoha stronger as well. It's win-win.
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Right, except that we have to work with these people. I'm not saying that the goodwill of the other clans is worth more than any of the prizes, I'm just saying that it ought to be factored in as a cost to pursuing two.
1. So long as we go into this with a plan and preparation to spin it that way and are prepared for accusations of arrogance/grasping, that's all I ask.
2. And that might be enough for clanless ninja on the whole, but the average clanless ninja won't be competing in this competition anyway. I was more talking about the ones who are competing - they probably won't be thrilled with the Goketsu trying to take home two prizes, even if they benefit regardless of whether they win. (Imagine, for instance, that we were clanless and the Hyuuga went out and took two of the prizes, pushing us out of the running).
3. It's not so much that clans are treated as a single person, but rather that I expect the expectation to be that each clan will either choose a single representative to claim the prize, or that they will pool their efforts and resources to support a single individual within the clan.
3a. When I say that Leaf treats 'everyone within the clan as the same person' I mean to say that I would expect that if Akane turned in a list of pangolin jutsu and Noburi turned in proof of germ theory, the natural assumption of people within Leaf is that both would count towards the 'Goketsu' prize, rather than being considered separately as the individual contributions of Akane and Noburi - unless they specifically asked that they be counted that way.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail - would it be possible for us to get a quick reaction from the team on their evaluation of how likely others are too try and team up on contributions rather than try and split up to collect more of the prizes?
Ie do we think we're competing against the collective of ISC/KEI with each group likely to submit a single collective entry in order to increase the likelihood of winning/getting first choice, or do we think it's more likely that, say, each family from ISC is likely to submit an entry in the hopes of maximizing their collective payout?
Obviously we don't actually know, but just curious if in-universe, one of those options seems obviously more likely than the other.
Also, is Keiko going to be participating in this as a Nara, as a Goketsu, neither, or both?
Ie do we think we're competing against the collective of ISC/KEI with each group likely to submit a single collective entry in order to increase the likelihood of winning/getting first choice, or do we think it's more likely that, say, each family from ISC is likely to submit an entry in the hopes of maximizing their collective payout?
Obviously we don't actually know, but just curious if in-universe, one of those options seems obviously more likely than the other.
Also, is Keiko going to be participating in this as a Nara, as a Goketsu, neither, or both?