Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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It's not pressuring the hivemind to commit, it's inviting the hivemind to commit. No-one is pressured into voting for that; you could simply make a fork of the plan without that line.
Otherwise, yes, it's working as intended: trivial consequences that you're still uncomfortable with inviting, and which therefore incentivize you to honour the commitment. Some of us (see @MadScientist's comments in Discord) are quite frustrated with our inability to get long-term projects off the ground. This seems like a fairly reasonable compromise between ignoring the fires and never getting to Forbidden Lore/Necromancy/[insert project here].
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Or not vote.
Or make a competing plan.
I mean, hells, if you care so much about the Forbidden Lore why not ask Kagome to write a friggin' report and have it put on our desk, then the QMs can write an Interlude about it or something.
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Well, yes? That's what I said.
That requires convincing the hivemind to vote for an interlude instead of an action plan somewhere in the near future, and then assumes that the QMs would be in the mood to write an interlude instead of a proper update that cycle.
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Hiashi could execute us for treason, yes. Could buy him a couple of months, maybe. But then WWIV happens anyway because Hiashi is a fucking moron, and Leaf will be without two of sealmasters to tip the balance.
The risk of we not contacting Akatsuki is greater than contacting Akatsuki with respect to our goals.
The risk of we not contacting Akatsuki is greater than contacting Akatsuki with respect to our goals.
Emstar
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Point of order: I don't believe its as simple as "Have Kagome yammer on about stuff." , theres more complex chains of potential interactions there. You'd want to have the dominos fall just right to get the optimal impact, or close enough to it anyway.
Theres not really much incentive to go out and about fishing around for it if we're just reading Kagome's report, and everyone in character still has every reason to think we're bonkers for chasing old wive's tales.
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It sounds like a fun interlude to write, so your odds aren't that bad. Last time, both @eaglejarl and I enjoyed writing Kagome's forbidden lore rants and then leaving the players to try to disentangle the revelatory truths from the misunderstood half-truths and the delusional ravings.
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What about an Akatsuki Book summary? Kagome-written, of course.
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[x] Action Plan: The Isan Question
Wordcount: 260
Timeline: 1 day.
Wordcount: 260
Timeline: 1 day.
- Send for Keiko: Her presence is required as soon as convenient, to discuss "a Pangolins-related matter".
- To Yuno: Keiko is fairly busy, may take a few hours to arrive. She could stay here in the meantime; offer her a guest room.
- Ask Mari to summarize the global and local politics to her. "Especially regarding the Hokage's external-politics views."
- Incidentally, did Yuno speak to one Mori Ami?
- Covertly offer Noburi and Yuno an opportunity to speak in private.
- Once Keiko's arrived and been updated, have a private Team Uplift discussion:
- What's Mari's take on the Isan situation? Does Keiko want to go take over? Is Noburi interested in the (political~) marriage?
- Pragmatically, it's a good opportunity for us, and you're inclined to go along.
- Is Takahashi really neutral? He said he'd gotten "concessions" from Azai, are they working together?
- Kagome:
- What can he tell us about Cloud's "weird religion thing"?
- Keiko:
- Ask to send messages via Pangolins:
- To the Crows and the Sharks: A greeting inviting Akatsuki to open dialogue with us.
- To the Mara's Summoner, Grandmaster F: We want to discuss philosophy, entirely apolitically.
- This might require some political capital. Would she be willing to sell them non-combat seals?
- Ask to send messages via Pangolins:
- What's Mari's take on the Isan situation? Does Keiko want to go take over? Is Noburi interested in the (political~) marriage?
- Update Yuno on our discussion.
- Background:
- Ask Tsunade to check Noburi's suitability for Summoning; no time to deal with Kabuto.
- Buy a multi-floor tavern/inn still damaged from the sealing failure.
- Schedule a Games Night on February 15/16. Invite Keiko, Team Gai, KEI ninja, and a bunch of other peers.
- Send Ami the stuffed octocat, when ready.
Emstar
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[x] Action Plan: The Isan Question (But Better)
Wordcount: 280
Timeline: 1 day.
Wordcount: 280
Timeline: 1 day.
- Send for Keiko: Her presence is required as soon as convenient, to discuss "a Pangolins-related matter".
- To Yuno: Keiko is fairly busy, may take a few hours to arrive. She could stay here in the meantime; offer her a guest room.
- Ask Mari to summarize the global and local politics to her. "Especially regarding the Hokage's external-politics views."
- Incidentally, did Yuno speak to one Mori Ami?
- Covertly offer Noburi and Yuno an opportunity to speak in private.
- Once Keiko's arrived and been updated, have a private Team Uplift discussion:
- What's Mari's take on the Isan situation? Does Keiko want to go take over? Is Noburi interested in the (political~) marriage?
- Pragmatically, it's a good opportunity for us, and you're inclined to go along.
- Is Takahashi really neutral? He said he'd gotten "concessions" from Azai, are they working together?
- Kagome:
- What can he tell us about Cloud's "weird religion thing"?
- Keiko:
- Ask to send messages via Pangolins:
- To the Crows and the Sharks: A greeting inviting Akatsuki to open dialogue with us.
- To the Mara's Summoner, Grandmaster F: We want to discuss philosophy, entirely apolitically.
- This might require some political capital. Would she be willing to sell them non-combat seals?
- Ask to send messages via Pangolins:
- What's Mari's take on the Isan situation? Does Keiko want to go take over? Is Noburi interested in the (political~) marriage?
- Update Yuno on our discussion.
- Background:
- Ask Tsunade to check Noburi's suitability for Summoning; no time to deal with Kabuto.
- Buy a multi-floor tavern/inn still damaged from the sealing failure.
- Schedule a Games Night on February 15/16. Invite Keiko, Team Gai, KEI ninja, and a bunch of other peers.
- Send Ami the stuffed octocat, when ready.
- Commit to doing a big Forbidden Lore meeting doubling as a war-room strategy talk the next evening.
- Bake cookies.
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Okay, the commitment thing's been discussed and I have no issues with removing/modifying it, but why is everyone so allergic to the modified Implosion Seals idea? It's not that harder than these Megalovania seals people are so excited about, and it promises to be at least as effective — if it's doesn't turn out to be as bullshit as Skywalkers. But no-one wants to even discuss it in-universe. Why?
Emstar
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I just wanted to make the eventual obvious joke of "No, see: my plan actually *is* better. It has cookies!" about three responses down the line.
[x] Action Plan: Stick Your Appendages Everywhere
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I'll be honest, I don't think they'd work based on my understanding of the "implosion" damage caused by implosion seals, and also because I think you're underestimating the difficulty of storing things at a distance without contacting the seal. But if it does work...why do we need Air Domes? The air around the seal, which should still be present when it's activated, should expand to prevent damage from secondary explosion.
Edit: We really shouldn't use Air Domes...they're solidified air which might interact with Implosion Seals to produce Undefined Behavior.
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Noumero
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- Implosion Seals already store air at a distance; that was the foundation of SINs, how we produce filled-but-intact Implosion Seals (by encasing them in MEW).
- I fear it'll expand violently, tearing you apart or something. Or air rushing from the outside into the hollow sphere does that.
- I've thought of that; my plan explicitly includes making Air Domes slightly smaller than the MIS's safe radius, so that the MIS doesn't interact with them at all.
Sure, done.
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I can't believe I forgot we tested that, fuck me.
We can test that pretty easily: just have an implosion seal detonate underground such that the inrushing air has to smack itself, then measure the damage with clones or something.
I don't see why we need the commitment. Either say we are doing it this update. Or vote on it next update.
If you put it in the background section maybe. I don't want it to use up a scene though, those are a precious commodity.
Keiko's spent little more than a month with Nara. How long has she spent with us? Sure, the Nara will probably use their collective knowledge of psychological manipulation on Keiko. But...actually, I feel like Keiko might be quite susceptible to psychological manipulation. Oh dear.
Personally I think that we need to focus more on the war than the scroll. But it makes me curious how Hiashi was willing to pay so much to get Neji the scroll when the war might make it irrelevant. Unless ninja wars last a while in which case he's hoping Neji becomes a summoner midway through the war?
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[x] Action Plan: Hyuuga and Akatsuki
Timeline: 1 day.
Timeline: 1 day.
- Send for Keiko: Her presence is required as soon as convenient, to discuss "a Pangolins-related matter".
- To Yuno: Keiko is fairly busy, may take a few hours to arrive. She could stay here in the meantime; offer her a guest room.
- Ask Mari to summarize the global and local politics to her. "Especially regarding the Hokage's external-politics views."
- Incidentally, did Yuno speak to one Mori Ami?
- Covertly offer Noburi and Yuno an opportunity to speak in private.
- Once Keiko's arrived and been updated, have a private Team Uplift discussion:
- What's Mari's take on the Isan situation? Does Keiko want to go take over? Is Noburi interested in the (political~) marriage?
- Pragmatically, it's a good opportunity for us, and you're inclined to go along.
- Is Takahashi really neutral? He said he'd gotten "concessions" from Azai, are they working together?
- Kagome:
- What can he tell us about Cloud's "weird religion thing"?
- Tell Team Uplift (and Naruto if Mari thinks its a good idea) about your idea to talk to Akatsuki. Ask Mari whether we should bring up contacting Akatsuki to Asuma to bring to Hiashi. And the consequences if we can't convincingly make it seem to Hiashi/Leaf like Akatsuki contacted us first. Garner conversation. If decided to bring to Asuma do it. If team decides to make it seem like Akatsuki contacted us first commence the plan that is agreed upon for doing so. Points for Hazou to bring up:
- Reconnect with the Pangolins. Ask Keiko to summon Pandaa. After a board game ask what's been happening on Seventh Path, especially:
- Ask to send messages via Pangolins:
- To the Crows and the Sharks: A greeting inviting Akatsuki to open dialogue with us.
- To the Mara's Summoner, Grandmaster F: We want to discuss philosophy, entirely apolitically.
- any more nations at war with Pangolins?
- are the pangolins at a defensive or offensive war stance?
- how is the integration of the prisoners of war?
- what are the war casualty estimates?
- what does the common Pangolin want in life? breeding licenses have been mentioned? are gems and gold not as important in 7th path
- what are the strategic goals of the government?
- Ask to send messages via Pangolins:
- This might require some political capital (or maybe not. they did send the snake message). Would she be willing to sell them non-combat seals?
- Reconnect with the Pangolins. Ask Keiko to summon Pandaa. After a board game ask what's been happening on Seventh Path, especially:
- What's Mari's take on the Isan situation? Does Keiko want to go take over? Is Noburi interested in the (political~) marriage?
- Suggest to Noburi and Keiko to update Yuno on Isan related discussion that they think she should know
- Background:
- Ask Tsunade to check Noburi's suitability for Summoning; no time to deal with Kabuto.
- Order a civilian (we have those right?) to buy a multi-floor tavern/inn still damaged from the sealing failure.
- Schedule a Games Night on February 15/16. Invite Keiko, Team Gai, KEI ninja, and a bunch of other peers.
- Send Ami the stuffed octocat, when ready.
- Ask Noburi what's important about our basement loot
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I am interested in seeing a PoO Hazo talking to a spiritual leader like the new high priest or grandmaster F.
Noumero
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Wordcount minimized. Speculation added.
Fair point, though: we probably should come up with convincing ways to pretend the Akatsuki contacted us first.
Regarding Asuma, we asked that in the previous plan; see this chapter for her response. Regarding the consequences, I'm pretty sure we can imagine them.
Fair point, though: we probably should come up with convincing ways to pretend the Akatsuki contacted us first.
It's not going to be a full scene; a third of it at most.
Pretty sure it'd last for a few weeks at most, per Jiraiya.
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She never answered how she thought he would respond. She proposed an idea that might be better, but not necessarily. We might still go to Asuma.
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I'm pretty sure her response meant that she thinks Hiashi will decline on principle.
Sure, done.
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Yeah Mari gave us the go ahead to freelance this