Nervos Belli
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I'll point out Revak got command of Vulcan Sector, otherwise known as the sector where nothing ever happens. This is probably the most action he's seen since his time on Cheron.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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I'll point out Revak got command of Vulcan Sector, otherwise known as the sector where nothing ever happens. This is probably the most action he's seen since his time on Cheron.
Can anyone tell me how stardates are calculated in this quest? I want to do some for an omake and I can't recall how it works.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I'd forgotten the origins of the mobile holo-emitter, but it certainly explains the discrepancy in technological capability involved.
Which is a sensible safety measure in a system otherwise grossly lacking in them. Remember Moriarty? Moriarty is a good example of why you DON'T want to make it possible for holodeck programs to directly interface with any part of the ship's computer network not being used directly to run the hologram. To the point where if you want to jury-rig your EMH as an Emergency Command Hologram, you may have to circumvent the usual procedures by having the physical hologram itself verbally issue commands to the ship's computer as an "authorized user."
The alternative would be knocking out the firewall between the part of the computers that runs the hologram's consciousness, and the part of the computers that runs the rest of the ship. That does not sound like a good idea to me, even if I've already committed to making the EMH capable of issuing orders in an emergency.
Maybe, but not necessarily. It makes just as much sense to me if the Doctor (and other such holograms) are self-contained self-aware programs that simply have very limited interfacing with stuff that isn't part of the holodeck itself. When you turn them off, you're shutting down the physical hologram and the program that runs in the holodeck computer. In principle you could switch the program back on without turning on the corresponding physical hologram, but there wouldn't be any point because the program has extremely limited options for input/output except via the hologram.
Which is a sensible safety measure in a system otherwise grossly lacking in them. Remember Moriarty? Moriarty is a good example of why you DON'T want to make it possible for holodeck programs to directly interface with any part of the ship's computer network not being used directly to run the hologram. To the point where if you want to jury-rig your EMH as an Emergency Command Hologram, you may have to circumvent the usual procedures by having the physical hologram itself verbally issue commands to the ship's computer as an "authorized user."
The alternative would be knocking out the firewall between the part of the computers that runs the hologram's consciousness, and the part of the computers that runs the rest of the ship. That does not sound like a good idea to me, even if I've already committed to making the EMH capable of issuing orders in an emergency.
Yes, but that still requires you to get really close to the aforesaid ship-eating phenomenon, because the maximum practical distance of "fire a spacesuited retiree into the anomaly" isn't that large in space terms.
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- Earth
Hence why I said that he could just be competent but uninteresting. There were a lot of other captains who could've gotten that position back then after all, and somehow he managed it without us picking him.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Revak has powerful patrons, especially among Vulcans, which explains how he keeps getting good jobs without us pushing his career. However, there's a sort of memetic assumption among the playerbase that because he has powerful patrons he must be incompetent, leading to the "fuck Revak" mindset. This strikes me as taking the principle a little too far.
If it weren't for the Sydraxians I'd favor Thuir. As it stands I favor the dark horse candidate Lecras, but that's mostly because of a gut feeling that someone with excellent attention to details and rules of engagement would be useful here.
Yes- but again, we have literally zero evidence from any point in his career that he won't be able to handle escort duty competently.
If it weren't for the Sydraxians I'd favor Thuir. As it stands I favor the dark horse candidate Lecras, but that's mostly because of a gut feeling that someone with excellent attention to details and rules of engagement would be useful here.
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- Patriarchova
I'm not at all sure of that, actually. The EMU suits used by modern astronauts can carry a six hour air supply. I can only assume that twenty-fourth century suits would carry at least as much, and probably far more.
Shoot the dude toward the ribbon from a couple hours in advance of its path, and he can just glide through space and listen to the 2001 soundtrack until it arrives.
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Fun facts: Even if we only wanted one escort for every cruiser/Explorer we have either extant or under construction, we would still be 21 escorts short of establishment right now. If we wanted 2 escorts for each Explorer and 1 for each cruiser, we would need nearly 40 new builds.
We'd need 42 yard-years, or 31.5 yard-years to build up to that that lower bound up with our current bonus. Too bad we only have nine escort/cruiser berths, we'd need all of them working for four and a half years or so to get us even started to catch up. And we'd need 1200-1600br and 800-1400sr using the current designs, several years worth of Excelsior production cuts right there. The efficient escort designs look better and better, don't they?
We'd need 42 yard-years, or 31.5 yard-years to build up to that that lower bound up with our current bonus. Too bad we only have nine escort/cruiser berths, we'd need all of them working for four and a half years or so to get us even started to catch up. And we'd need 1200-1600br and 800-1400sr using the current designs, several years worth of Excelsior production cuts right there. The efficient escort designs look better and better, don't they?
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- Mid-Atlantic
To be fair, you're counting Constellations as cruisers. Under current establishment and NOT counting ships under construction, that would mean we have 13 explorers, 14 'cruisers,' and 17 escorts not counting Oberths. Thing is, Constellations and their notional upgrade version have stats and cost more comparable to our escort options. It would be reasonable to group them with the escorts, in which case we have 13 explorers, 7 cruisers, and 24 escorts- much closer to balance.
Note that this is NOT me trying to refute your point about future construction plans. Aside from the three Miranda-As Briefvoice has squeezed in as part of our war preparations, we've got almost NO plans to build new escorts in the near future, as far as I can tell. Resource cost may well be a large part of the problem there.
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- somewhere
Generally about one unit per day, but there are occasional divergences.
I actually assume the fact Kirk was behind several layers of hull plating saved him; I would assume for Soren to not be a complete idiot that just falling into the Nexus in a space suit would kill you dead.
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However, that just implies you fly a freighter or something in, instead of blowing up a star.
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- Patriarchova
I don't see how that bolt could have torn through several layers of hull plating and then NOT disintegrated Kirk unless it reacts differently to living things.
Look, Generations is dumb, okay?
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- Laniakea Supercluster
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Literally the only good thing that came of it was Enterprise-B. Everything else might as well never have happened far as I'm concerned.
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- USA
We voted Revak for Vulcan sector Commodore
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- Earth
You know, I'm beginning to think there's something wrong with the google search engine on my browser because I specifically went and looked for that, and only got his chance to be a EC captain.
Well in this case I guess it doesn't matter, just got to go strike that part out.
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- Patriarchova
Even that is questionable. Looking at the timeline and the ship classes that were around, it was fairly obvious that an Enterprise-B must have existed at around the turn of the century, and that it was probably an excelsior. Generations didn't tell us anything about the Ent-B that we wouldn't have figured out on our own.
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- somewhere
What's "only" about 50%+ Escorts? There is nothing particularly desirable about such a high percentage, and it would be rather nonsensical with our doctrine choice. Combined Fleet doctrine provides bonuses for having at least one of every type in a group, the likelihood of which is maximized if we have the same number of every type (which also allows splitting fleets in the smallest possible groups that still get the bonuses, without any ships left over). Given the cost disparity maybe the optimal fleet composition wouldn't be exactly 33% each but more something like 40/35/25 (not counting EC ships which are off doing their own thing), but it definitely wouldn't be as high as 50% escorts. And that's with a more escort friendly doctrine than we actually have. Under Lone Ranger the share of escorts could sensibly be even lower than that. Remember, our larger ships aren't CV, they don't require an escort screen. Task forces without any escorts at all are perfectly viable. Now we might still choose to have a fleet composition similar to what a Combined Fleet would look like, and it looks like we are actually doing that, but making an issue of not having Swarm Doctrine like numbers of escorts when it doesn't make the least bit of sense under our doctrine is silly.
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- madison
have you seen the amount of paperwork you need to fill out to rent a runabout in federation space?
Is there any easy way to figure, "this is January 5, 2313 and the Stardate is therefore X"?
I'm pretty sure you still build more escorts than other types regardless of doctrine. You only have to look at other powers fleet comps to see this: Cardassians are Combined Fleet despite their lack of battleships, Romulans are Lone Ranger even accounting for their BoPs, and only the Klingons are Swarm.
A better rule of thumb for me would be percentage of the fleet's capability should be about equal.
Remember that as part of LR doctrine, only one explorer can respond to each event. That obviously creates room for other ship types, and puts a practical cap on the number of explorers we should have outside the EC. Even if we get 3 or even 4 responders, the extra act as insurance when the primaries fail. More explorers on the other hand cannot fulfil this role, and that is by doctrine.
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It's a one page form, and half of that is ID information and checkboxes.
The joys of a near utopian future. They figured out how to minimize paperwork.
The Cardassian version on the other hand...
Where exactly is that information from? Because I'm pretty sure it's not in any threadmarked posts. Is it something the QM said in passing in a post somewhere deep in this huge mega-thread?
Just asking you to remember, SWB, that even for people super into this quest you shouldn't drop statements like "Remember that as part of LR doctrine, only one explorer can respond to each event." as though it were some obvious thing that everybody should know if they've only read the game rules. I sure don't know it to be true! If it's some bit of "behind the curtain" game mechanics that Oneiros let slip in some post somewhere, I obviously missed it.
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We don't know whether the other powers even have the same mechanical doctrine effects to choose from, nor whether they actually completed/progressed far into any fleet design doctrine. The Cardassians definitely don't have an optimal fleet composition for Combined Fleet in the form available to Starfleet (no way to tell whether they have different mechanics, are going to transition in the future or are suffering from a cultural bind spot), and the Romulans only recently developed their first Explorer class, having historically only had smaller ships, so if their Lone Ranger doctrine is mechanically identical to ours they are very clearly still relatively early in the transition. By the TNG era the canon Romulans seem to have a very explorer heavy fleet, with the vast majority of ships seen being D'Deridex class.
No one ever offered an argument other than taste for that which that actually stood up to scrutiny.
That's not a thing, at all. LR doesn't offer a bonus to the number of ships that can respond, so short of other bonuses it stays at the default 2, but there is no restriction regarding types, and both the Kumari and the Cheron responded to the same event at least once.
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No. I tried. The best you can do is to take known stardates and interpolate, or extrapolate. If you can give me two stardates that take place on known calendar dates, I'll give you an interpolation or (linear) extrapolation based on them.
Leslie: "Kid, that's the form for when you're planning to bring the runabout back afterwards. Didn't I hear you say you were planning to fly this thing up to the Thing What Ate Jim Kirk? You want to try something like that, well. Look at it this way. On the one hand, we here in Shipyard Ops could keep you running around in circles filing forms for the rest of your natural life. On the other hand, we could build a new runabout. We're going to take the option that uses less man-hours of work, and you're not going to like it."
Since dependable but unspectacular Revak seems to be causing some confusion, I have pulled all mentions of him via a threadsearch limited to Oneiros' posts. Note I put his two EC panel appearances back-to-back instead of chronologically.
That could be an artifact of location - I'm fairly sure that TNG rarely actually went into Romulan space, so those encounters where in Fed/Neutral locations - and of course they are going to send their more impressive ships to those locations.