What have we done with the Klingons, plot-wise?

- Sulu got a fleet of them to help purge the Biophage above Kadesh.
- We defended one of their colonies from attacking Romulans, if I remember right.
- We kept tabs on our border with them, as well as how strong their fleet is and how they're doing overall versus the Romulans.
- We prevented a couple of Romulan warbirds from sneaking into Klingon space, IIRC.
- ...Anything else?

A few minor events here and there. The Klinks were worried that the Caldonians had built a spy array rather than a science station, the EC ran into a ship once along the rim. Something else, something else?
 
Most of our attention was focused on exploration, Romulans, Biophage, Cardassians, Orions, Sydraxians, Licori...
 
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@Gavinfoxx I don't mind stress, but there's serious meta issues to whole-hog bringing over EP level stuff. That's what I discussed in my post. Either it's tech unique to them, or everyone looks like a bunch of dum-dums, especially powers like the Dominion.

The Orions are basically EP light, and are going to present a lot of similar issues.

I say this as a guy who has thought out what it would look like if you took the transhuman advancements of EP and built them from the ground up in Trek. You need to basically reboot the franchise in order for it to work, imo. That or set it rather distantly.
Transhumanism is fun and all but it really does not mesh well with Star Trek. That being said, it's not like they really need it what with 31st century Feds being well on their way to being Time Lord-lite and all the times Q and other energy beings have been like, "Oh you have the potential to reach our level eventually."

Also if you take some of the throwaway lines in the various shows then people are definitely getting smarter faster with 24th century kids learning calculus in TNG. It's not really overt but the Federation does just fine without transhumanism tech and it's not like any of that is going to make any of the real problems like time travel shenanigans or the Borg go away any easier.
 
Most of our attention was focused on exploration, Romulans, Biophage, Cardassians, Sydraxians, Licori...

The thing is, that's partially a function of us showing interest in those things and reacting fairly well to them when they crop up. With the Klingons we (as a thread) have never really shown a desire to get into their heads even before the big events started cropping up.

Honestly TBG is sort of treating the Klingons the way DS9 Treated, say, the Breen: they're there, they're around, they occasionally are mentioned or even appear on screen, or figure into the plot. But they're not really a thing. And most tellingly, they've only crossed Enterprise's path during the Battle of Kadesh. Like, a Trek series where the Klingons are a cameo is kinda weird.

And I attribute that in large part to not really having people enthusiastically into the Klingons as opposed to say, someone like me who IS ALL IN on the Romulans. Or, for example, people really seemed to take to the conceptions of the Orions as a Cyberpunk part of the Trek setting. We got a lot of writing about that... whereas the only Klingon Omakes we've got are I think, mentions and a distant view history of the Empire post-Praxis.

And, like I said, I find that odd because of how big a deal Klingons seem to be in the fandom. I figured just by random chance we'd have someone really into Klingons showing up.
 
I've actually been a bit shocked that no "Klingon Specialists" have joined this thread. Klingons, Klingon language, and Klingon culture being like, inexplicably, one of the big fan favorite things in the entire franchise.

It's noticeable how little they get addressed in the thread, and I think it translates to how little Oneiros touches on them.
I think the problem is that while Klingon fans are a big part of what everyone thinks of when they think of Star Trek, they aren't... actually as big a part of Star Trek as they might be. As in, they're devoted, but they don't represent a large proportion of the fanbase compared to, say, Vulcan fans or Romulan fans.

That, or maybe the Klingon fans are more common among the generation of fans who were born before, say, 1980, whereas we seem to have a lot of representation from people who are within a few years of thirty- or younger.

Or maybe there's something about SV itself that makes it less likely that the kind of Trek fan who's also a major Klingon fan would be around.

[It's a problem I'm starting to think about for my 2235 game idea, because you CAN'T do 23rd century Starfleet with the Klingons as a cameo :( ]
 
10 Million BC - ClawClawBite
10 Million BC

Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC, Aga Carmide

Damn!

Damndamn!


We did not blow up today. It was close. It would have been nice to have some warning that the ship was heading through an unstable temporal rift, and the energy spikes from combat fire after did not help at all.

I told the captain it would take a week at a shipyard to get us to warp after all of that, and now that I've had a chance to check, I was right. The Excelsior class is more sensitive than it looks. That gets us our legs, but it means my Enterprise is not as easy to patch up as the one out our window. The dash-A refit should help there, but that is too late for us.

Anyway, things are as stable as I can get them in the engine room for now. Lt. Bekaru is off prepping a worker bee so she can fly me for eyeballs on the warp coils. Not that many people are willing to brave getting that close to a shorted energized warp coil. We have an entire field theory team working on plotting us an approach so I can do the manual shutoff.

Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus one day, Aga Carmide

We did not blow up today. Both warp cores are de-energized, but the polarization and misalignment are as bad as I thought. I think we can use the tractor beams to get the alignment fixed once we expose the coils, but the polarization... I mean, if I had the prototype phased polaron invertor from the Vulcan Academy of Sciences, and the portable subspace shunt that the Abatt Institute on Gaeni are testing, I could do something, but we don't get to stock toys like those on an explorer quite yet.

Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus one day, Aga Carmide, Supplemental

Great Scott!

No really, Chief Engineer Scott, of the... classic unlettered Enterprise is great. His ship is in much better shape, and now that we are stable and not likely to blow up in the next few days, we are focusing on getting his ship in shape enough to go join the chase. From everything I know, his is the only ship that has a chance of putting up a fight, then again, never count out an Enterprise.

The man's hunches about his ship are as good as our computer models, and a lot faster. He not only knows the specs of just about every part, but can tell a story about getting the designers drunk. Even if we were going to try to cheat and send him future parts, it would be less effective because he would not know them as well. That said, I do have some fabrication tricks up my sleeve that will make him swallow the 'laddies' he throws at me.

I wish Bazeck was here. The two of them would have gotten along great, though the rest of the crew might not see that.

Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus four days, Aga Carmide

The classic Enterprise is dashing off. Time for a full night of sleep, then to focus on my ship in the morning. Most of the crew has been helping out, though stellar dynamics have been busy taking every reading they can. I don't blame them, its not every day you get access to 10 million year old anything, and they can't do anything to get us unstuck. Stol got one of the shuttles rigged to use as a station keeping drive. One less thing to worry about for now, but that won't get us home.


Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus seven days, Aga Carmide

The Science officer had me testing out some deflector dish modifications based on our anomaly transit, and the anomaly shifted. It looks like we may be able to store some of the anomaly change.

Oh, and it looks like we found the research colony as we reshaped the anomaly.

Supplemental

Er, we did not quite find them as soon as we hoped, its been twenty years for them. We are going to meet a delegation of them tonight.

Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus eight days, Aga Carmide

Long night, long meeting. T'arth and Sader, a married pair of Vulcans who had joined the research colony after long careers at the Academy of Science to discuss how to get us home, assuming the other Enterprises succeed in their mission. They have some ways of tuning the anomaly that they are not willing to discuss, but admit is it possible. However, two problems remain: targeting our return trip, and surviving the return trip. Passage through the rift in its decaying state is going to create a continuing wave of space-time noise, more than our ships can handle. They asked me if we could adapt the warp engines with some kind of subspace stabilizing device.

Did some preliminary analysis, and a pure damping device is not likely to work, the issue is the changes as they cascade through the ship. We would be better off if we could smooth that energy with some kind of temporal flux storage, a battery or capacitor... A Flux Capacitor?!?

Supplemental

I had Lt. Vokrek run a simulation for me. Tezra is the best mathematician on the ship, and is always excited to tell me that my ideas stink worse than Cardassian Booze, but this time she game me a grudging maybe. The trilateral symmetry prevents phase instability, and the taper of the flux conduits will create a damping effect.

I should be able to build a module to attach to the main deflector dishes of all of the ships, and rig them to self-destruct to none of the past ships have the design. The main issue is that they require a very large power spike (of course) to establish the subspace shield, and the larger the ship, the more power. The -B will need to burn up almost all of the reserve anti-matter to kick it off. Good thing we have reserves, or we would need to know when a star was going nova.

Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus eleven days, Aga Carmide

Apart from trying to destroy history and the Federation, I am not fond of Mentat Betarre. We the only reason we got the trick to match temporal wavelengths was so at least our secret files held records that the time-rift machine worked. Ego almost destroyed us, but at least it will save us, and get us home. I'm off to work on repairing the device with the Mentat so we can get the anomaly tuned for all of the trips.

Supplemental

That is one... two... three Enterprises on their way home, now its our turn.

Wait a moment, the wormhole, its... Frak!


Commander Robert Kinichi's Final Log as Chief Engineer, USS Enterprise NCC 1701-B

It took 87% of the stored anti-matter of the Enterprise to re-energize the wormhole enough to get a ship through. There was not enough to energize the Flux Capacitor to let us survive the trip. Not even if we cannibalized from the Lion. The smaller ship was our only chance. The scientists from Aga Carmide managed to use that to give us time to transfer everyone over, but not by much margin.

I helped blow up my ship. I know it had to be done, but I guess Bazeck was right, "some damn fool idea of your Rob is going to end up with that ship blasted apart, and I'll be the first to say I told you so."

The bridge of the Lion was packed. We were through, the rest of the ship just as packed. The rift was decaying, we only had a few minutes left before we lost contact, and the navigation officer had just let us know we were clear.

Commodore ka'Sharren leaned forward, as if she was going to say something, then looked at Captain Mrr'shan, who seemed to be worrying a scrap of fabric in her hand, not a habit I had seen before, then stopped.

"Enterprise, Self destruct, 5 minute delay, Captain Samhaya Mrr'shan Authorization A-1 Destruct." All of the senior officers followed her. We were not all needed, but if we had to say goodbye, this was it. This was our ship.

The portal closed, and Enterprise was consigned to history and oblivion. I need a drink.



Apocryphal Coda:

Something not entirely unlike a Runabout appeared in a crackle of light and energy between a glowing distortion in space, and the dark hull of a derelict Excelsior Class Starship.

The characteristic glow of three columns of transporter energy lit up the bridge beyond the blinking red light.

"Self destruct in one minute." The computer declared to the no longer empty bridge.

"Abort! Abort! Authorization Omega-Zero Abort!"

"Self destruct aborted." The lights returned to normal.

A figure wearing pink Intel collars but with no visible rank or assignment patches breathed a sign of relief. Speaking to a similarly attired companion "I'm glad that worked. We were lucky the whole command crew authorized the destruct or we might not have gotten someone who could stop it."

"It was worth the risk, there are so few ships that are lost by the records that we can get to, and if we are going to be operating in secret, we need every one we can get."

The transporter energized again, leaving more people, and a small stack of cases with the logos of the Vulcan Academy of Science and the Abatt Institute.

Several weeks later, the vessel surged forward, faster and faster, till it vanished, leaving behind a trail that looked like a streak of flames.
 
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1) Gah, that shade of blue! :sour:

2) That's a 10br and 15sr mine actually. The rest is from our technology. I haven't checked your other numbers, but you might want to make sure you're consistent on whether its the raw resource income or the full income including tech bonuses.

I've changed the blue to a light purple. Also dropped the red a shade. Put in a note that the resource figures are puled from the GBZ posts directly.
 
I've actually been a bit shocked that no "Klingon Specialists" have joined this thread. Klingons, Klingon language, and Klingon culture being like, inexplicably, one of the big fan favorite things in the entire franchise.

It's noticeable how little they get addressed in the thread, and I think it translates to how little Oneiros touches on them.
I think the problem is that while Klingon fans are a big part of what everyone thinks of when they think of Star Trek, they aren't... actually as big a part of Star Trek as they might be. As in, they're devoted, but they don't represent a large proportion of the fanbase compared to, say, Vulcan fans or Romulan fans.
I dunno, I get where Akuz is coming from. Fans of Trek basically constructed the Klingon Language, and did things like actually translate Shakespearean plays into Klingon. Yet you don't see anyone dropping an omake in actual Klingon on here (HOW DOPE WOULD THAT BE THO????)

I suspect it's because those fans are mostly TOS, and as you noted this thread leans pretty heavily TNG/DS9/VOY [ie: fucking millennials].

I've been to expand on them more, but a lot of people seem pretty content to just put them in the 'boring space viking' box, despite the fact the Klingons are your best bet to get Game of Thrones style shenanigans in space. Also, there's a shit ton more canon to them to navigate.
 
No, I mean AKuz is clearly right, I'm just trying to explain the phenomenon she correctly identified. And I figure it's one or more of the following:

1) Diehard Klingon fans of the kind who create a whole conlang for Klingons may not be THAT much more common numerically than the ones who do the same for, say, the Romulans, they're just more 'iconically Star Trek' for a reason. Like, knowing how to speak Klingon is the stereotypical Trekkie thing to do, whereas knowing how to speak Rihannsu isn't, but it may well be that the two science fiction conlangs are abotu equally popular among diehard fans? Dunno.

2) Something about SV besides the age issue listed below may be driving away the kind of Trekkie who likes Klingons over, say, Romulans or Cardassians. Maybe there's a "smart is better" chauvinism culture, leading to people dismissing the Klingons as 'boring space Vikings' here, whereas on another forum people might feel differently? Maybe it's a cultural/political values thing for the kind of people who make up the bulk of SV-ers? Dunno.

3) As noted, the 'millenials' thing. I mean, don't get me wrong, I suspect a lot of the Klingon fans cut their teeth on the TNG era and Worf, and there's going to be overlap with the DS9 and TNG eras since the two shows did themselves overlap in time and so on. So it's not totally clear-cut, but I bet that this plays a role, with hardcore Klingon fans being more common in the '70s and '80s (thus explaining how they became the stereotype) while hardcore Romulan and Cardassian and so on fanbases emerged later.
 
Commander Kinichi's Engineering Log, Circa 10 Million BC plus one day, Aga Carmide

We did not blow up today. Both warp cores are de-energized, but the polarization and misalignment are as bad as I thought.
Did you mean "warp nacelles" or "warp coils" instead of core there?

Anyways the possibility Office 0 has an Delorean-prise in their back pocket is always fun. :V
 
would not mind at all some klingon house rivalry / politics
with some warrior empire story
can not pull it of myself but would not mind reading it at all
 
Dorsata planets looks pretty good for defense in depth, if we use what we learn from Ixaria and add a few ships to each.
They would expand a lot of effort taking our fortress worlds or it could be flanked.
 
"When this ship hits Warp 88, you're gonna see some serious shit!"
- Science Officer Brown, 10 million BC

PS. I love how we kept the TOS Warp Scale instead of the TNG Warp Scale, making Warp 88 something that's theoretically possible.
Well yeah, although it's... about 400 times faster than the fastest our ships can go in a crazed all-out sprint.

Dorsata planets looks pretty good for defense in depth, if we use what we learn from Ixaria and add a few ships to each.
They would expand a lot of effort taking our fortress worlds or it could be flanked.
The thing to remember is, they're allowed to blow up our forts while we're constructing them and not give us time to set those defenses up. That's what we did to the Sydraxians, in a sense.
 
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I dunno, I get where Akuz is coming from. Fans of Trek basically constructed the Klingon Language, and did things like actually translate Shakespearean plays into Klingon. Yet you don't see anyone dropping an omake in actual Klingon on here (HOW DOPE WOULD THAT BE THO????)

I suspect it's because those fans are mostly TOS, and as you noted this thread leans pretty heavily TNG/DS9/VOY [ie: fucking millennials].

That's me!

I mean, Khan the Klingon was old-timer shit

:V:V

2) Something about SV besides the age issue listed below may be driving away the kind of Trekkie who likes Klingons over, say, Romulans or Cardassians. Maybe there's a "smart is better" chauvinism culture, leading to people dismissing the Klingons as 'boring space Vikings' here, whereas on another forum people might feel differently? Maybe it's a cultural/political values thing for the kind of people who make up the bulk of SV-ers? Dunno.

Klingons don't make great waifus or lesbian kirks


(apologies if this was rage-inducing to anyone)
 
I've actually been a bit shocked that no "Klingon Specialists" have joined this thread. Klingons, Klingon language, and Klingon culture being like, inexplicably, one of the big fan favorite things in the entire franchise.

It's noticeable how little they get addressed in the thread, and I think it translates to how little Oneiros touches on them.

As a counterpoint, I am (or rather, was) as huge Klingon nerd as you could possibly be without learning actual Klingon. Which I did study once or twice, but I draw the line on studying the actual languages, particularly since at the time I had to learn like, three other actual languages. Undiscovered Country is also my favorite 'Trek; if I'm not watching Garak clips on repeat, I am watching Chang ones.

That said, I am of the opinion that there's time and place for everything. Outside of Biophage, there has been little contact with the Klingons, and a lot of our events take places in space that's far on the other side of the Empire, which naturally creates the issue of how would Klingons fit into it.
 
I think we should lay down a guideline for green lighting colonisation.

First - can we all agree it should be done on a sector by sector basis?

Suggested reqs:

1. Sector must be fully mapped.
2. Colony site must be defended by a star base
3. Sector must be adjacent to settled federation space

What else?
 
Dorsata planets looks pretty good for defense in depth, if we use what we learn from Ixaria and add a few ships to each.
They would expand a lot of effort taking our fortress worlds or it could be flanked.

Oh, I agree. If the Bees are given the time to really dig in, Dorsata will be a fortress sector with many stations/outposts and a swarm of angry Stingers behind every moon. It potentially represents better than half their total mining income after all.

If they get the time to dig in ....

There was an omake where we got the Syndraxians and the Cardassians picked up the Apinae as affiliates. So now imagine the we are the ones looking at having to invade the Dorsata sector...
 
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