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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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Random thought, apropos of nothing - if we ever get the Licori to join up, their bonus should be 1 or 2 tech teams starting at Skill 6... but that research a random unassigned tech every year. You know, to properly model Mentats.
 
AlphaDelta said:
Exercise.

However, Kuznetsova, Loviss, and Rondeau are testing some Gaeni simulation equipment on some test subjects SFA cadets.
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An exercise to me implies the use of actual ships in actual space in the actual CBZ, so that didn't really answer my question. If this is meant to simulate an attack in simulators and holodecks, that has a different form than programming up fake sensor ghosts and running reaction drills on the garrison ships.
 
Briefvoice said:
Okay, so they are running a war simulation using the prototype Gaeni Holodeck.

How is this not the very first "rogue holodeck goes crazy and nearly gets everyone killed" story? Where in order to survive, they have to beat off the simulated Caradassian attack or the holodeck will kill them?
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Because as people are not morons the holodeck is not equipped with any sort of jamming systems and so they can just call out have it powered off.
 
Briefvoice said:
Okay, so they are running a war simulation using the prototype Gaeni Holodeck.

How is this not the very first "rogue holodeck goes crazy and nearly gets everyone killed" story? Where in order to survive, they have to beat off the simulated Caradassian attack or the holodeck will kill them?
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Hmm...

That's a good twist to throw in.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
An exercise to me implies the use of actual ships in actual space in the actual CBZ, so that didn't really answer my question. If this is meant to simulate an attack in simulators and holodecks, that has a different form than programming up fake sensor ghosts and running reaction drills on the garrison ships.
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Eh.

Well, part of the exercise is for the Admirals - explore potential maneuvers in case of Cardassian invasion in advance.

Which is why there is absolutely no pressure on Rondeau or Kuznetsova. None. Zero. Not at all. (/s)
 
Deathbybunnies said:
It's easy enough to come up with a reason why that's not possible - I can think of at least one Star Trek episode where that wasn't the case.
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So it's easy enough to come up with an explanation for how a system without any sort of jammer functions, that has been tested for interference (again, NOT MORONS) suddenly develops jamming capability on first real use?

And seeing as the holodeck is not self-powering I'd love to know what the HOLODECK is going to do to prevent a power reroute.
 
Redhead222 said:
green was "free too go"
yellow was more alone the line of "we do not think its save but if you think you can go for it"
red was "no stop, really bad plan"

making it really general but then that is what you get with a stoplight system
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I think it might have been a bit more complicated than that, but I'm not sure. What were the exact words used?

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
We have simulators and computers though. Simulating ship command or even sector command shouldn't be difficult. Neither is producing simulated opposition so long as we don't actually have to virtually fight the virtual ships.
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I am not and was not arguing with any of this, I was commenting specifically on the idea that we use holodecks for this purpose. Holodecks seem to be a rather separate kind of simulator with their own weird problems.

pheonix89 said:
Because as people are not morons the holodeck is not equipped with any sort of jamming systems and so they can just call out have it powered off.
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It's a holodeck. Designed by Gaeni. Do you really think nothing will go horribly wrong?

Briefvoice said:
Okay, so they are running a war simulation using the prototype Gaeni Holodeck.

How is this not the very first "rogue holodeck goes crazy and nearly gets everyone killed" story? Where in order to survive, they have to beat off the simulated Caradassian attack or the holodeck will kill them?
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Honestly, I suspect that is exactly what will happen.

Leslie:

"...Please tell me you didn't use Vendikarian tactical computer programming."

Kuznetsova:

"What? It's some of the most advanced war-simulation software in the known galaxy!"

Leslie:

"You DO know what the Vendikarian computers did when people died in their war simulations, right?"

[facepalms]
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[EDIT: Actually... you know what? In my headcanon this is totally an episode of the TV version of To Boldly Go. Season Eight or so.]
 
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Simon_Jester said:
3) As noted, the 'millenials' thing. I mean, don't get me wrong, I suspect a lot of the Klingon fans cut their teeth on the TNG era and Worf, and there's going to be overlap with the DS9 and TNG eras since the two shows did themselves overlap in time and so on. So it's not totally clear-cut, but I bet that this plays a role, with hardcore Klingon fans being more common in the '70s and '80s (thus explaining how they became the stereotype) while hardcore Romulan and Cardassian and so on fanbases emerged later.
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This skirts what I think is the real issue. The Klingons, as a species, are very familiar territory. There's relatively little new to say there, which is discouraging in its way. But the other issue is that the Klingons have not ever been given the air of mystery that the Romulans had, or the one that attached to the Cardassians in TNG/early DS9. (They shared very little at all, and Garak helped out by being evasive.) As a group, the Klingons simply weren't as compelling in the first place. They were carried by compelling characters; Worf, Martok, Gowron.

This is a hard bar to reach.

Simon_Jester said:
Holodecks seem to be a rather separate kind of simulator with their own weird problems.
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Not...always. I mean, TNG actually deployed the holodeck straight for at least two instances of training, one for experimental simulation, and two for a forensic investigation where they had recordings of the scene where it didn't go nuts. That's off the top of my head.
 
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pheonix89 said:
So it's easy enough to come up with an explanation for how a system without any sort of jammer functions, that has been tested for interference (again, NOT MORONS) suddenly develops jamming capability on first real use?

And seeing as the holodeck is not self-powering I'd love to know what the HOLODECK is going to do to prevent a power reroute.
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When did star trek ever let some plot holes get in the way of a fun episode?
 
Night said:
Not...always. I mean, TNG actually deployed the holodeck straight for at least two instances of training, one for experimental simulation, and two for a forensic investigation where they had recordings of the scene where it didn't go nuts. That's off the top of my head.
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Oh, I'm not saying the holodeck didn't work. It's a marvelously useful and versatile tool. They're great.

The problem with holodecks isn't that they're bad tools. It's that they seem to have some very strange failure modes.
 
pheonix89 said:
Because as people are not morons the holodeck is not equipped with any sort of jamming systems and so they can just call out have it powered off.
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Trivial.

"As this exercise will be simulating Starfleet response in the event of an actual Cardassian attack, security is paramount. Please leave behind all outside communication or recording devices. We'll get all we need from the Holodeck's own records, which are being real-time encrypted for proper security. As Admiral Linderly says, Constant Vigilance!"

(later)

"Commander, the emergency comm isn't working... it looks like Security added some additional jamming counter-measures against outside monitoring for the exercise, and the emergency comm didn't get modified to compensate. On the outside, they have no idea what's going on in here!"
 
Oddly, my brain is being dragged into that one Haruhi Suzumiya episode featuring the gang as admirals in a simulated space battle game.

The problem is that aside from Leslie being cast as Kyon, because of course Leslie is cast as Kyon, I have no idea who fills the rest of the roles.
 
I have a question: What are we going to be using the Constellation-P(A) for?

I have no problem with a Garrison Cruiser role, mostly to help us respond to events in our non-threatened space.

I don't want it near the frontline though, that's what we have the Connie-Bs and Renis for.
 
Gavinfoxx said:
Okay. You all noticed. I do like themes of mashups, crossovers, deconstructions, and high technology chaotically disrupting the order of a setting. I use this stuff to try and model, 'so what would happen if...' to better understand a setting. However, I don't do this because I dislike the tropes of a setting. In fact, I only like doing this sort of thing to settings I like and find compelling in the first place! Also, I don't think I'm alone in this. A huge number of the stories on this site include this sort of crossover and disruption, as do many fanfiction stories in general. It's a way to show affection for a setting.
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I share the same likes - it's how I got caught in the orbit of SV and SB after all.

But "To Boldly Go" is like a refuge from much of the rest of the fanfiction here. Star Trek may be notoriously inconsistent with its themes over time, and TBG does incorporate crossovers in the form of original species (Kadeshi from Homeworld, Yan-Ros from RWBY, Honiani from 40K, etc.), but this quest tries its hardest to stay within the limits of the aesthetics and the practicalities of the Star Trek setting.

I mean, like Iron Wolf said, you can only go so far to introduce such disrupting concepts to the Star Trek universe before the whole in-universe rationale and historical underpinnings of the setting implode.
 
MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
I have a question: What are we going to be using the Constellation-P(A) for?

I have no problem with a Garrison Cruiser role, mostly to help us respond to events in our non-threatened space.

I don't want it near the frontline though, that's what we have the Connie-Bs and Renis for.
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Event response, mainly. But threatened sectors have events too. A Constellation-A is as tough as a Centaur-A and has a higher Science and Defense. I wouldn't have any trouble with a Constellation-A backing up other ships on the Klingon or Romulan border zone, and I wouldn't even turn up my nose at one on the Cardassian Border Zone as long as it was a "third ship" behind an Excelsior and a better cruiser.

lbmaian said:
But "To Boldly Go" is like a refuge from much of the rest of the fanfiction here. Star Trek may be notoriously inconsistent with its themes over time, and TBG does incorporate crossovers in the form of original species (Kadeshi from Homeworld, Yan-Ros from RWBY, Honiani from 40K, etc.), but this quest tries its hardest to stay within the limits of the aesthetics and the practicalities of the Star Trek setting.

I mean, like Iron Wolf said, you can only go so far to introduce such disrupting concepts to the Star Trek universe before the whole in-universe rationale and historical underpinnings of the setting implode.
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It's a lot easier to take characters from other setting than it is to incorporate much of their setting.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
I think it might have been a bit more complicated than that, but I'm not sure. What were the exact words used?

I am not and was not arguing with any of this, I was commenting specifically on the idea that we use holodecks for this purpose. Holodecks seem to be a rather separate kind of simulator with their own weird problems.

It's a holodeck. Designed by Gaeni. Do you really think nothing will go horribly wrong?

Honestly, I suspect that is exactly what will happen.

Leslie:

"...Please tell me you didn't use Vendikarian tactical computer programming."

Kuznetsova:

"What? It's some of the most advanced war-simulation software in the known galaxy!"

Leslie:

"You DO know what the Vendikarian computers did when people died in their war simulations, right?"

[facepalms]
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[EDIT: Actually... you know what? In my headcanon this is totally an episode of the TV version of To Boldly Go. Season Eight or so.]
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For that, I'd work Leslie in.

The issue is, he's been locked in his office at UP for the past month.

In TBG-TV, Wargames is probably a recurring arc.

S8E1: Sulu
Old hat, new Admirals. As a Enterprise Alumni, and one second only to his predecessor at politics, Sulu's appointment came as no surprise. The surprise came with Order Number One, reshuffling the Admiralty. As Sulu makes his picks, the nervous gears of SF Command must turn.

Meanwhile, Commander Oliver Rondeau gets used to a new position at the Academy, Captain Alexandria Kuznetsova has an idea, the other characters settle in, and Courageous continues with first contact.

S8E2: A Winter's Wind

Captain Sulu goes on a dangerous away mission on an icy planet; aboard Winterwind, Captain Taggart has a long talk with an Apinae Expat; new COS Uhura deals with several angry calls over a lost Orion frigate and a Yan-Ros medical crisis; Mbeki and the Odyssey continue along their Caledonian Mission on the icy Anoc IV; Cheron meets with some dissidents; a deep space probe detects an alarming amount of warp signatures.

S8E3: The Exception

Chad crashes; S'harien makes a first contact with a large fleet; Chen hands over Shipyard Ops; Leslie receives a birthday gift; Apiata Foragers strike Iridium – twice!; Chad crashes; Nash announces her presence in the GBZ; Sulu jumps into the Snakepit; a Honiani cultural delegation arrives at Sol; Chad crashes; Odyssey continues it's search for peace; Cheron is late; Courageous helps look for pirates; Ajam calms down some trigger-happy Kadeshi; Chad crashes Docana is helping; Ruu'adorr sends a comm-probe; Chad crashes!

...etc.

I'll flesh this out more later.
 
Iron Wolf said:
I suspect it's because those fans are mostly TOS, and as you noted this thread leans pretty heavily TNG/DS9/VOY [ie: fucking millennials].
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Hab SoSli' Quch! :mad:

Night said:
This skirts what I think is the real issue. The Klingons, as a species, are very familiar territory. There's relatively little new to say there, which is discouraging in its way. But the other issue is that the Klingons have not ever been given the air of mystery that the Romulans had, or the one that attached to the Cardassians in TNG/early DS9. (They shared very little at all, and Garak helped out by being evasive.) As a group, the Klingons simply weren't as compelling in the first place. They were carried by compelling characters; Worf, Martok, Gowron.
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Yeah by the TNG the Feddies and the Empire were at peace the only conflict was on the personal scale. There has never been "peace" between the Feddies and the Romulans/Cardassians/etc.
 
Though speaking of Klingons, I did have an idea.

Thread! I require your assistance! Name a Connie-B deployed in or near the KBZ!
 
Yeah. USS Huascar in Andor sector is about the best we're going to get- and that's in 2316Q3 when she actually arrives there.

Of course, given the geometry of the Klingon Border Zone, and that even now a Connie (with modern refits) is faster at warp than a frigate, it's at least plausible for omake purposes that a Constitution-B in Andor Sector might be "the only ship in range" to respond to something happening somewhere within the volume the KBZ occupies.

MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
I have a question: What are we going to be using the Constellation-P(A) for?

I have no problem with a Garrison Cruiser role, mostly to help us respond to events in our non-threatened space.

I don't want it near the frontline though, that's what we have the Connie-Bs and Renis for.
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That's... basically what everyone else was already thinking. A refit Constellation is about as good as a Renaissance for event response, and significantly cheaper in some important ways. Like the Centaurs, we're likely to see the Constellation-As deployed in our interior space to help provide event coverage, and the Constellation-As are if anything even more likely to spend the rest of their careers covering the interior even when other ships are called to the frontiers to help out in a crisis.

AlphaDelta said:
For that, I'd work Leslie in.

The issue is, he's been locked in his office at UP for the past month.
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Eh. Just bringing him back to Sol system is probably good enough.

And frankly Leslie has a very 'roving' managerial style because he is at heart a member of the Explorer Corps, and by training and experience is something of a fixer. He makes sure to have a very strong, capable staff that can hold down the fort, and then goes off himself to oversee things requiring personal touch or the unusual knowledge and skills that he possesses.

Sure, he talks about how he spends all his time behind a desk, and in a sense that's true, but he hasn't stopped moving around within the star system he occupies; he just doesn't get to take interstellar trips because he's tied to short comms range of Mars. He probably acted the same way at Tellar Prime.
 
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It doesn't have to be actually in the KBZ, as the Klingons are not short on cloaking devices and wily veterans of Federation-Klingon conflict to sneak over the border with. But it's implausible they get much past Andor no matter how they technobabble their cloak.
 
Night said:
It doesn't have to be actually in the KBZ, as the Klingons are not short on cloaking devices and wily veterans of Federation-Klingon conflict to sneak over the border with. But it's implausible they get much past Andor no matter how they technobabble their cloak.
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Your best bet for that is actually Ferasa sector where we have (or had until this most recent quarter) the Huascar (a Constitution-B) stationed. Remember that Ferasa sector extends all the way down to Risa, well past the Klingon Border Zone and into an area where both the Federation and the Klingons are exploring space. The S'Harien met a Klingon research cruiser there a couple of years ago.

A meeting with the Klingons close to Risa is quite probable.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Your best bet for that is actually Ferasa sector where we have (or had until this most recent quarter) the Huascar (a Constitution-B) stationed. Remember that Ferasa sector extends all the way down to Risa, well past the Klingon Border Zone and into an area where both the Federation and the Klingons are exploring space. The S'Harien met a Klingon research cruiser there a couple of years ago.

A meeting with the Klingons close to Risa is quite probable.
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That's true. Huascar works well both now in Ferasa Sector AND later in Andor Sector.
 
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