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Night said:
If this were true constantly we wouldn't have a Singer problem considering they are themselves cyber entities and one of our first discoveries in the Discord mechanic was that a number of our ships were compromised and it wasn't immediately clear which ones.
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A cyber penetration that does nothing other than lurk and gather information is very different from one that attempts to blind you.
One is attempting to keep a low profile, the other is basically clashing cymbals as it walks.
And Starfleet actually has experience with cyberattack, as compared to peoplejacking.
 
Enerael said:
Have you forgotten that T'mir once did just this to an Ancient Orion dreadnaught?
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T'Mir is a pretty legendary ship at this point.
And was going up against an ancient Orion dreadnaught. One that IIRC, didn't have all the staff and maintenance it should.
And she(T'Mir) still didn't manage to pull it off while both ships were cruising in warp flight.
 
uju32 said:
A cyber penetration that does nothing other than lurk and gather information is very different from one that attempts to blind you.
One is attempting to keep a low profile, the other is basically clashing cymbals as it walks.
And Starfleet actually has experience with cyberattack, as compared to peoplejacking.
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Starfleet also has a lot of experience with cloaking devices, so I dunno.

Are they using actual quantum phase bubble technology? I guess we'll find out
 
I wonder if we win the war with the Harmony but the Singers' regime hasn't collapsed, will they wipe all memory of the Federation from Harmonic citizens or rewrite history 1984 Ministry of Truth style? Or would the Fed be too consistent in contact to pull that off?
 
Negentropy said:
I wonder if we win the war with the Harmony but the Singers' regime hasn't collapsed, will they wipe all memory of the Federation from Harmonic citizens or rewrite history 1984 Ministry of Truth style? Or would the Fed be too consistent in contact to pull that off?
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It'll be quite a bit harder if the Singers are incapable of controlling all movement into and out of the state. The issue is that while the Harmony may be able to stranglehold its own citizens into forgetting they'll never be able to do the same to Federation and its other neighbors, they will always remember. It's possible they may be able to spin external transmissions to their benefit but I doubt they'll be able to truly control the border.
 
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...To Chase the Songs of Distant Stars announcement
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    • Just a couple quick things:

    1) Don't worry, stuff is still happening, there's just A LOT of task force related stuff to wrap up. Progress is being made, and hopefully we'll have some #hashtagcontent soon enough for TBG proper.

    And once we've got the python lump of the last tf reports out of the way, everything else is going to run smoothly.

    2) For those eager for more content, and perhaps the beginning of the answer to an old mystery...

    Well, come take a look at ...To Chase the Songs of Distant Stars (A To Boldly Go... Companion Quest)

    (This quest is my project alone, so it's not really going to eat into TBG... proper, especially since I've had this prepped for a while, waiting for my work schedule to not be actively detrimental to my physical and mental well-being.)
     
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    • AKuz said:
    2) For those eager for more content, and perhaps the beginning of the answer to an old mystery...

    Well, come take a look at ...TO Chase the Songs of DIstant Stars (A To Boldly Go... Companion Quest)

    (This quest is my project alone, so it's not really going to eat into TBG... proper, especially since I've had this prepped for a while, waiting for my work schedule to not be actively detrimental to my physical and mental well-being.)
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    Would the events of this quest be canon to To Boldly Go?
     
    Alert: Genocide is never a good answer guys.
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    • we interrupt this announcement of a new quest with a quick mod action!
    @Anime_Fan35 and @ilbgar123 you do understand that the act of advocating genocide, even on a fictional race, isn't really all that good right? It is, in fact, against the rules; Rule 2 specifically. And because I'm sure that you both knew the rules and yet decided to post suggestions to kill off the Singers regardless, I have to take action and stuff. Shame that.

    So! Anime_Fan35 will be getting a warning not to do this again or risk future consequences, and ilbarg123 will be getting 25 points. Please avoid doing this again.

    Also! Go take a look at Akuz's companion quest. I'm sure it's a good time.
     
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    • Interesting insight in "To Chase the Songs of Distant Stars"

    Each of your officers has a "SPICE" score, that will govern event resolution over the course of the quest:

    Science - Capacity and disposition towards the sciences.
    Presence - Capacity and disposition to conduct diplomacy.
    Insight - Useful when dealing with opposition or espionage.
    Command - Ability to run task forces, especially larger forces, in contested environments or battles.
    Elan - Their spirit, their daring, their willingness to go and brave danger.

    A score of 1 is a regular Starfleet officer, 2 is an Explorer Corps rated Starfleet officer, 3 is a Veteran Starfleet officer, 4 is an Excellent Starfleet Officer, whilst 5 is a Legendary Starfleet Officer.
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    I don't think we'd ever gotten context for the scores for, or if we did I didn't recall it. Even a single 5 is a "Legendary" officer. As Akuz put it, "a 5 and you have your name in the credits of a Star Trek show". It's possible to have multiple 5s, but we have only three officers who achieved that:

    Nash ka'Sharren
    Michel Thuir
    Samhaya Mrr'shan
     
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    I think one of the big divisions in the quest is whether people regard the Singer uploads as a culture/race/species of its own with an inherent right to continue existing...

    Or as the equivalent of "Imperial High Command" or "the Romulan Senate" or some other small clique of elites within a larger society, whose right to continue existing is in some way contingent on their not being generally atrocious, cruel, and destructive towards others.

    ...

    Personally, I think that a genocide ban isn't quite the issue here, my beef with "kill the Singers" is something more like opposition to the choice to 'slake wrath by wide killing,' to borrow a very nice phrase from Graydon Saunders' Commonwealth series. We have considerable wrath towards the Singers. But satiating this wrath by indiscriminately killing all of them would be wrong. I expect that there are Singers who, while complicit in crimes, are not irredeemably evil and would likely agree to stop if it was the only way to save their lives.

    We're probably going to have to kill a number of Singers to get the rest to take us seriously (historically this has been a winning strategy for the ISC and Tauni), but that doesn't mean "kill the Singers" is or ever ought to be the core of our war effort.

    I find calls to kill all the Singers to be both immoral and tiresome... but I'm a bit ambiguous about calling them a group that can be "genocided," if only because I'm not sure they constitute a distinct gens or genus or whatever the right noun is.

    AKuz said:
    Just a couple quick things:

    1) Don't worry, stuff is still happening, there's just A LOT of task force related stuff to wrap up. Progress is being made, and hopefully we'll have some #hashtagcontent soon enough for TBG proper.

    And once we've got the python lump of the last tf reports out of the way, everything else is going to run smoothly.

    2) For those eager for more content, and perhaps the beginning of the answer to an old mystery...

    Well, come take a look at ...To Chase the Songs of Distant Stars (A To Boldly Go... Companion Quest)

    (This quest is my project alone, so it's not really going to eat into TBG... proper, especially since I've had this prepped for a while, waiting for my work schedule to not be actively detrimental to my physical and mental well-being.)
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    Would you mind putting a link into your sig? I'm not up for checking it out now, but would like to be able to find it again later.
     
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    I've always wondered why there isnt diplomacy for the Commonwealth (North of the federation) But there is for the bug people to the "south" who are arguably the same size.
     
    Gawain said:
    I've always wondered why there isnt diplomacy for the Commonwealth (North of the federation) But there is for the bug people to the "south" who are arguably the same size.
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    Because the ISC is in fact a major power, just incredibly dense in claimed territory utilization. The Ittick-Ka are a high ranking minor power, but still a minor power in comparison.
     
    Iron Wolf said:
    I believe you currently only have two:
    Nash ka'Sharren

    Samhaya Mrr'shan
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    #admiralsinrefrigerators

    Glassware said:
    I bet the personality currently inhabiting Thuir's corpse has at least one 5 left after all the brain rape and literal rape
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    I honestly don't think that extensive Singer mind manipulation is compatible with the kinds of things that make a sapient being exemplary in the ways that ka'Sharren, Mrr'shan, and once upon a lifetime Thuir were exemplary.

    In other words, Singers view human(oid) personalities and minds as passive lumps of clay, waiting to be sculpted into more aesthetically pleasing orientations and alignments. I think that isn't fully compatible with the highest and finest developments of those personalities and minds.
     
    Given that Singers are infomorphs, can't they be imprisoned safely and indefinitely by just sticking them into the equivalent of hard drives we lock up in a closet and never use?
     
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