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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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Enerael said:
Not quite how it works. He still knows plenty of secrets. What Starfleet did and did not do, limited knowledge of temporal incidents, etc.
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Maybe, but, like, we are the federation. That comes with strengths and weaknesses.

One of those, call it whichever you like, is that our trust is easily gained and easily regained. As far as I know, the fed has no notion of like citizenship tiers or whatever.

Dude served his time, he is now exactly as trusted as everyone else. If he wants to be a bartender, we wish him, entirely sincerely, all the best.
 
Walter said:
Maybe, but, like, we are the federation. That comes with strengths and weaknesses.

One of those, call it whichever you like, is that our trust is easily gained and easily regained. As far as I know, the fed has no notion of like citizenship tiers or whatever.

Dude served his time, he is now exactly as trusted as everyone else. If he wants to be a bartender, we wish him, entirely sincerely, all the best.
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Oh, certainly, I have nothing against him being a bartender.

But on a station between us and a hostile empire?

I am sure that this is covered, somehow, just not sure how. And how it is worth the resources to cover it. Are there some significant benefits to him specifically bartending there?
 
Enerael said:
Oh, certainly, I have nothing against him being a bartender.
But on a station between us and a hostile empire?
I am sure that this is covered, somehow, just not sure how. And how it is worth the resources to cover it. Are there some significant benefits to him specifically bartending there?
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Shey literally ran up the black flag and recruited a private covert ops team for anti-Harmony ops in hostile space.
Linderly has been running around in Gorn space where the Cardassians could stage something to grab him.
Thuir got grabbed in friendly territory.

In comparison an Admiral twenty five years or so out of date poses very little real risk.
 
nocarename said:
Generally high levels of freedom for the general population? Living up to our ideals as far as possible?
He's not part of Starfleet anymore, we don't get to assign him to go places.
We aren't the Cardassians or Singers, we don't actually control things to that level.
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I am not saying that he was sent there, I had assumed that this was his decision.

But he hold valuable and dangerous things in his brain. Most of it outdated, but still of great value to great many people.

As such, surely he is watched and protected?

And that costs resources to do, people, money, gear. And due to how important and exposed he is, to Cardassians no less, that can't be cheap.

uju32 said:
Shey literally ran up the black flag and recruited a private covert ops team for anti-Harmony ops in hostile space.
Linderly has been running around in Gorn space where the Cardassians could stage something to grab him.
Thuir got grabbed in friendly territory.

In comparison an Admiral twenty five years or so out of date poses very little real risk.
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Point.

Considering that Picard almost broke, we do not seem to have near perfect anti-interrogation techniques. This is rather worrying.
 
Enerael said:
Considering that Picard almost broke, we do not seem to have near perfect anti-interrogation techniques. This is rather worrying.
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Picard almost broke to actual torture techniques rather than "get actually useful intelligence" fictional torture techniques. I doubt that he'd have provided the Cardassians with anything marginally useful or distinguishable from torture-induced delusions.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
But when one last figure steps out into the middle of the now policed and secured safehouse, the PSD official blanches.

Shey ch'Tharvasse shoulders his phaser rifle and gives a broad, toothy grin. "Hello, girls, I'm back!"

Watching on from the all-encompassing computer network, a Singer recognises the man and screams red bloody murder at the Singer known as Tallael.
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Rip and Tear ,Shey. Rip and Tear.
 
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Hm, so, how likely is it that the local Singer will throw a tantrum and unleash their Biophage samples?
 
ilbgar123 said:
Hm, so, how likely is it that the local Singer will throw a tantrum and unleash their Biophage samples?
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1)They don't have Biophage samples. Any bioweapon samples won't be under the control of a single Singer
2)They have no way of controlling the Biophage even if they did, which is as likely to turn on Horizon space or flee into the depths to develop some staying power.
3)A networked polity like the Harmony would be uniquely vulnerable to the Biophage and it's assimilation protocols.
Nothing stops it from attempting to assimilate entire planets through the network channels the Singers have so kindly opened across Harmony space.
 
uju32 said:
1)They don't have Biophage samples. Any bioweapon samples won't be under the control of a single Singer
2)They have no way of controlling the Biophage even if they did, which is as likely to turn on Horizon space or flee into the depths to develop some staying power.
3)A networked polity like the Harmony would be uniquely vulnerable to the Biophage and it's assimilation protocols.
Nothing stops it from attempting to assimilate entire planets through the network channels the Singers have so kindly opened across Harmony space.
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I'm not sure about all that. Like, I also doubt that a given Singer in a safe house has a biophage sample, but I could easily see the Harmony as a whole having some. They are a big, old polity, I credit them with approximately our degree of past weirdness (ship spirits, Q continuum encounters, time travel, etc).

By the same token, if we can build a serum that immunizes individual people from being possessed by the Biophage I don't doubt that they could build a control serum. It is the same level of handwaviness, and the Harmony are 'heavier' in terms of plot, than the Phage.

I'm not sure what you mean by 3, but I don't think it can infect stuff by signals. Like, presumably it would've done that to us and checkmate if all they needed was a broadcaster to infect everyone in range. The Harmony might even be more good at knowing when it is around, as the Singer channels would be one more thing it would have to fake.

That was long, to sum up, Ghosts > Zombies.
 
Walter said:
I'm not sure about all that. Like, I also doubt that a given Singer in a safe house has a biophage sample, but I could easily see the Harmony as a whole having some. They are a big, old polity, I credit them with approximately our degree of past weirdness (ship spirits, Q continuum encounters, time travel, etc).

By the same token, if we can build a serum that immunizes individual people from being possessed by the Biophage I don't doubt that they could build a control serum. It is the same level of handwaviness, and the Harmony are 'heavier' in terms of plot, than the Phage.

I'm not sure what you mean by 3, but I don't think it can infect stuff by signals. Like, presumably it would've done that to us and checkmate if all they needed was a broadcaster to infect everyone in range. The Harmony might even be more good at knowing when it is around, as the Singer channels would be one more thing it would have to fake.

That was long, to sum up, Ghosts > Zombies.
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-We got a history dump from Zarael.
If they'd run into the Biophage, it's the sort of thing that would be noted.

-We don't have a mindhacking nanite implant as standard installation on our citizens.
Our threat surface is very different.

-Singers control people over some sort of cyber channels. The Biophage was a sentient nanite swarm.
The Biophage would be able to possibly contest Singer controls over the same channels the moment they eat one citizen and gain access to the hardware, and then get into range of a broadcast node. Even worse if a Singer mistakenly jumps into a Biophage controlled node.

Imagine a Biophage able to literally walk it's victims into it's mouth.
And just assimilating the basic cyberimplant design the Harmony use would allow the Biophage to coordinate at light year distance.
 
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