I am starting to think that your top-secret QM chat room could really use a bunch of non-writers who occasionally remind you all of your mortality.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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I am starting to think that your top-secret QM chat room could really use a bunch of non-writers who occasionally remind you all of your mortality.
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A cute shuttlecraft to cheer people up:
Delurking again...
The Harmony are capital P paranoid about where they make their implants and who has access to even the finished implants, let alone design and production hardware. Note that despite the fact that they literally owned the Tauni, and then were forced out, the Tauni rebellion found no production sites for anything in their territory.
The idea that they are suddenly going to give the detailed schematics for it's production to covert operation agents to establish production sites in hostile territory of a peer power is lunacy. Consider the security levels of designs and production of capital ships are secured as a minimum starting point for how the Harmony secures this stuff.
This is the centerpiece of the Singer network.
An enemy who got hold of the designs could reverse-engineer the hardware and either disseminate an immunizing infection through Harmony space and it's citizens, or actively hacking the network and either going after the Singers themselves, or broadcasting conflicting instructions to Harmony citizens. Or just listen in, and gather intelligence.
And that's just off the top of my head.They are NOT cavalier about disseminating this stuff.
At worst, those big mother ships of theirs might have small production facilities. Everything else is buried deep in the Harmony and shipped from there.
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There are also a limited number of Singers, and even fewer who have covert ops experience. Look at the Singer interlude we just saw. Does whatsherface playing Barbie dolls look like she has the aptitude or patience to run a covert op in Federation space?
And all this assumes they even have the bandwith to control multiple people in Federation space. Instead of simply leave instructions and move on.
Seriously, don't overhype the Singer threat. They have significant limitations of operation outside HoH space without a Sanctuary in range.
One more point I'd like to make:
The Harmony are capital P paranoid about where they make their implants and who has access to even the finished implants, let alone design and production hardware. Note that despite the fact that they literally owned the Tauni, and then were forced out, the Tauni rebellion found no production sites for anything in their territory.
The idea that they are suddenly going to give the detailed schematics for it's production to covert operation agents to establish production sites in hostile territory of a peer power is lunacy. Consider the security levels of designs and production of capital ships are secured as a minimum starting point for how the Harmony secures this stuff.
This is the centerpiece of the Singer network.
An enemy who got hold of the designs could reverse-engineer the hardware and either disseminate an immunizing infection through Harmony space and it's citizens, or actively hacking the network and either going after the Singers themselves, or broadcasting conflicting instructions to Harmony citizens. Or just listen in, and gather intelligence.
And that's just off the top of my head.They are NOT cavalier about disseminating this stuff.
At worst, those big mother ships of theirs might have small production facilities. Everything else is buried deep in the Harmony and shipped from there.
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There are also a limited number of Singers, and even fewer who have covert ops experience. Look at the Singer interlude we just saw. Does whatsherface playing Barbie dolls look like she has the aptitude or patience to run a covert op in Federation space?
And all this assumes they even have the bandwith to control multiple people in Federation space. Instead of simply leave instructions and move on.
Seriously, don't overhype the Singer threat. They have significant limitations of operation outside HoH space without a Sanctuary in range.
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An auriga?I am starting to think that your top-secret QM chat room could really use a bunch of non-writers who occasionally remind you all of your mortality.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Eh it'd probably be very good in a story where we had no player agency and was just watching. A season finale after the episodes dealing with the singers revealing their identities etc.
A big will they won't abandon their morals, though I perceive a lot of complaining about how much penetration the Horizen has as unrealistic/stupid while viewers wait for the next season to start with the good old
But, yeah as a story with agency it did feel like nothing really mattered and we were all doomed.
I guess in a way we felt like the people in story did.
Although that being said?
@Leila Hann or other GM
1. Was that an omake or a real thing posted with over enthusiasm?
That was what I was trying to go for.
(Ironically this bit of history trivia is only floating around my brain because one of our very Qms used the comparison in the politics subforum recently to describe a regular of this thread
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aledeth
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That's skirting awfully close to advocating genocide, since reducing an interstellar civ, especially one as big as the Horizon, to pre-interstellar levels requires killing A LOT of people.
Let's all calm down for a bit, yeah?
It was a small timeout, but hopefully y'all are a bit calmer now.
okay so
I completely understand that everyone was freaking out about the recent updates in the quest. It's reasonable to get worried about bad shit, and from reading the updates I can say that I really can't fault y'all all that much for blowing up the thread.
However, I have to request that y'all keep from going too crazy. It doesn't help the QMs or the players to have things melting down in thread, so let's try and move on from this whole situation.
So yeah, thread opened. Let's bring some good vibes into the thread and stuff.
However, I have to request that y'all keep from going too crazy. It doesn't help the QMs or the players to have things melting down in thread, so let's try and move on from this whole situation.
So yeah, thread opened. Let's bring some good vibes into the thread and stuff.
Well, I was halfway a "what if Chen survives" omake, but I guess that'll be the first time something I've written was rendered moot by a surprise retcon.
Thors_Alumni
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All out war and getting the Romulans and Klingons to help us stomp the Harmony in the balls until they are no longer disagreeable and agree to pretty much completely dismantle every facet of their government.
10ebbor10
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Identify their subspace transmitters and jam the system.
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Um, hey, something just occurred to me. Those Sigma Virus suggestions I had? Well, the Padani had some nutcases trying to cut up people to find the Horizon implants on the suspicion something was going on, how likely are they to have someone try a Sigma Virus or at least a non-sentient 'All AIs must be exterminated, their clockwork hearts crushed.' worm of some kind to kill all the Singers and damn the consequences for the Horizon's random joes?
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Get rid of the Singers and let the Harmony go on like a normal polity. The Singers are the evil secret and main source of HoH's wrongdoings. Removing them from play and the Harmony is no different from your average nation and would actually be one of the friendlier ones around.
Without the Singers being secretly evil, I see the Federation getting on with the Harmony in a similar manner to how the Federation gets on with the Padani.
Thors_Alumni
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Y'know I went back and read all of the posts while the thread was locked and 3 members up and quit. And I don't think they will ever come back and I don't blame them either.
Without the Singers, I think there's a decent chance that the Harmony splits along species lines. At they very least, the Moy have got to be questioning what really happened when they were brought in.
aledeth
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Not helpful on constructive posting. You can be upset, but just talking about people that quit and how you sympathize with nothing else in the post is just aggravating bad feelings, which we are trying to avoid.
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Doubt it. The Horizon has them implanted, so they can actively run damage control and make it out as some crazy conspiracy without much trouble. It's unlikely to even cause them much trouble in the long-term.
Should someone PM/mention them and tell them the last couple updates were reversed?
Eh, I think they've been through a lot together, enough that the truth could be uniting instead of fracturing.
IF (big IF) the Singers just disappeared somehow, in a proven way, the Harmony would have to do a lot of soul-searching, but I don't think they'd dissolve. Like, if it was suddenly revealed that Humanity was infested with Militant Brain Bugs from the very start and the rest of the Federation had to sort itself out after United Earth got sucked into an energy being's black hole, I think that yes, they would manage to keep going.
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While we go people advocating for slaughtering the civilian masses of the Harmony, I'm not sure if anyone has pointed out how the normal Harmony citizens are innocent victims here as well. All those evils that the Singers are doing to the Federation and other foreign polities? Guess what every HoH citizen is at the mercy simply due to being in the wrong place.
Everyone who advocates attacking the Harmony populace, remember that all the things we hate the Singers for, the Harmony citizens are all innocent victims of them as well.
Everyone who advocates attacking the Harmony populace, remember that all the things we hate the Singers for, the Harmony citizens are all innocent victims of them as well.
Aren't the level below the Singers also in on the history editing "for the good of all"?
Disrupting the Singers is an improvement, but even without them, the Horizon could be a difficult neighbour.
Also, let's not go all DS9 and commit genocide against an enemy.
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Maybe. I mean, you could write it that way. But I can't help but think that there are probably a lot of issues in Harmony society that the Singers just steamrolled over via force rather than resolving them. If they Singers were gone, they'd all come bubbling back to the surface.
Oh by the way, here's something to warm your heart. We know how much the Singers hate, hate admitting to mistakes, right? How they'd rather erase records and memories than just admit that something didn't work out.
Oh how it much have burned them to have to back down on "psychological euthanasia" executions and not be able to make everyone forget that they ever did them in the first place. But too much of the galaxy is watching, and for once they couldn't retcon history. How very humiliating!
Theunderbolt
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They'll be back.
Imma quote myself here.
EDIT: So glad I missed something by not catching up before the points in question were erased by Office 0. So glad.
The Harmony is a homogenising, lying, but curse them all, talkative bunch of puppets and puppeteers. Let us grab them by their metaphorical noses and cut those strings.
EDIT: So glad I missed something by not catching up before the points in question were erased by Office 0. So glad.
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