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@OneirosTheWriter was it an old escort, science escort or destroyer escort that was destroyed by the battleship?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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A Seyek Modern Corvette.
What that Licori Mentat did, this would give us cause to hit them with compensation for the damages, violation of Vulcan's space and illegal experimentation.
This way we can get a new ship out of it! And I guess putting an pause on the further fighting.
Perhaps a small fast Licori escort that we can upgrade to Federation's standard? I mean their ship is already changed due to lessons learnt from their current war and if we can get our hand on one, it could help with GBZ duties.
This way we can get a new ship out of it! And I guess putting an pause on the further fighting.
Perhaps a small fast Licori escort that we can upgrade to Federation's standard? I mean their ship is already changed due to lessons learnt from their current war and if we can get our hand on one, it could help with GBZ duties.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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This might be true if the Federation was a territorial state. We're not. The mentat was fully within his rights to be there. The issue is purely unauthorized, highly dangerous experimentation. Likely all we'll see is the FDS looking very closely into anything and everything licori.
Where the heck do you find this info?
And endangerment of lives and property damage. At the very least we should bill them for the damages and replacement warp core.
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
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We've been given some of the stats of the Seyek Battleship but never knew the size of one till now.
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AKuz
Been Better
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Thank the Elements for Enterprise!
*tosses another inspiration on the Omake pile*
Between this and the comm relay raid Mrr'shan is really working her way into my vote for the EC Captain to get a second 5YM!
(My personal rule now being that if we have a Captain with a second 5YM (A proper 5YM, not one cut short) we can only have one at a time and they must have rendered crisis ending services... all of which Mrr'shan qualifies for. (The only one who would possibly override this rule is Nash because OMG Nash)
*tosses another inspiration on the Omake pile*
Between this and the comm relay raid Mrr'shan is really working her way into my vote for the EC Captain to get a second 5YM!
(My personal rule now being that if we have a Captain with a second 5YM (A proper 5YM, not one cut short) we can only have one at a time and they must have rendered crisis ending services... all of which Mrr'shan qualifies for. (The only one who would possibly override this rule is Nash because OMG Nash)
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- Mid-Atlantic
Enterprise:
[preens, saunters, stops, spotting Seyek battleship. Hears ominous weaponry hum, eyes goggling]
"Oh, my. This is going to be an interesting day, isn't it..."
That sucks. Still, not your fault, bro.
I'm not sure the new combat engine changed things much.
Under the old engine, the Excelsior needs to hit each Soyuz twice to "pop" it, but the Soyuzes have a total 58.2% hit probability due to their combined firepower. Even after one is destroyed, the other three still have Combat parity. It'll probably take six or so hits spread across the Soyuz squadron's formation to give the Excelsior favorable hit probability, and the Soyuzes only have to score five hits in return to bring down the Excelsior's shields, and seven hits to start abrading the explorer's ability to return fire.
Unless the Excelsior gets quite lucky in its first couple of shots, it's probably going to take hull damage before finally putting down all the Soyuzes. Maybe a lot of it.
Under the new engine, the Excelsior needs to put about four or five shots onto each Soyuz before it's heavily enough damaged to cease to contribute much to the battle. The Soyuzes need to hit the Excelsior 50 times just to bring down its shields... but they have a much higher volume of fire. The Soyuzes can reasonably expect to deliver 50 hits in the time it takes the Excelsior to deliver 12 or 13, by which time the Excelsior has probably ground down the shields on most or all of the Soyuzes, but probably hasn't inflicted decisive hull damage unless it gets lucky. Broadly similar outcome
I suppose that factors like shield regeneration on the Soyuzes might alter that. Have you run some kind of detailed model?
"Our universal translators have so far been unable to do a convincing rendition of the Yan-Ro syllabary into the Latin alphabet, for purposes of rendering their acronyms. We can confirm that several puns involving corundum-based gemstones were made."
What do you mean? We didn't lose any ships this month. We haven't lost a ship in a year or two. We've had ships get damaged, but that was always a thing that happened to us. Plus, the fleet's growing. If each one of our ships has a 1% chance of getting damaged per quarter, then when we only have 20 ships we can easily go 3-4 quarters without seeing any ships get damaged. If we have 50 ships, we're lucky to go two quarters without getting a damage result.
Mhm... I guess Lt. Bessle has been working on her diction, then again knowing her it's entirely possible that she speaks with very different style on the bridge and off the bridge.
I'm not sure how Tybek got mentioned in dispatches, but I'm guessing it involved some kind of freakish Rain Man-esque level of structural analysis that permitted the Enterprise to decisively shut down the Seyek battleship's weapons without actually causing significant hull damage to the ship or causing casualties on board. Then beaming aboard to implement it, and acting utterly oblivious to the dangerous tentacle spaghetti monsters (I seem to recall that's what the Fiiral are like). Since he's Tactical, not Security, and that would be very much in character for him.
Yey
Probably every couple of years for the past several decades. See, this is why I want to get an ambassador to the Ked Paddah capital to hear their side of the story. Because I'm quite sure they have a list of damages as long as a Seyek's backbone caused by reckless Mentats poking cosmic anomalies, creating mutant organisms, and the like.
You just did.
Well, the mentat may very well have been in violation of some navigational and traffic regulations, but you're right that that's not the same as "YOU VIOLATED OUR SPACE!" That said, their actions did cause severe damage to one of our ships, and I think we're fully entitled to sue for damages.
The result of our attempt to sue for damages will tell us a lot about the way the Licori behaved towards the Ked Paddah, which may give us insight into the nature of the war.
We already knew from some set of notes or something that the Seyek flagship had Combat 9. Learning that it is "only a little larger than the Enterprise" (read: probably 2.5 megatons) was just another piece of the puzzle.
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We've had a grand total of 12 damaged ships over the past 12 years prior to this one.(not getting into or counting destroyed ships, and including ones damaged during the biophage)
So far this year we've had 5 ships damaged. That's a lot more than the "usual" average rate of roughly 1 per year.
Sounds like they violated our space to me.
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Three of them were damaged in what we knew was going to be a war zone. And, as noted, we have more ships rolling more events in more sectors, which makes more 'damage' results inevitable. So that doesn't come across as entirely surprising to me.
That depends on what you mean by "violated our space."
Based on what we've seen so far, the Federation normally practices freedom of navigation. Foreign ships are allowed within our space unless we have special reason to stop them.
At the same time, we expect ships within our space to comply with certain rules and regulations, and to obey the relevant authorities in Federation jurisdiction.
Unless I am very, very wrong about what the rules are, the Licori ship "violated our space" in the sense of "broke laws while in our space." But did not "violate our space" in the sense of "invaded us" or "didn't have permission to be in our space in the first place."
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Well, my days of taking the Ked Paddah's complaints seriously are certainly coming to a high point.
I mean, you can argue the Federation is not a territorial state (but it does have its own territory as such, and speaks for its members in almost all external affairs including ones like this; remember Grey October?) but this is less a territorial violation and more akin to terrorism. After failure to obey lawful orders you do something to a string filament causing it to react energetically which if it had been more energetic could have escalated to a Federation-wide disaster. Even at this level you still managed to nearly destroy a nearby starship and injure it's crew. If the Mentat had survived then at the very least we're talking several hundred counts of attempted murder due to it having occurred during the commission of another crime and the reckless disregard for life with which it was done.
Seriously, the Licori having the ability to do what they just did is even more terrifying than the Licori being able to blow up stars, and even less good can come of it.
I mean, you can argue the Federation is not a territorial state (but it does have its own territory as such, and speaks for its members in almost all external affairs including ones like this; remember Grey October?) but this is less a territorial violation and more akin to terrorism. After failure to obey lawful orders you do something to a string filament causing it to react energetically which if it had been more energetic could have escalated to a Federation-wide disaster. Even at this level you still managed to nearly destroy a nearby starship and injure it's crew. If the Mentat had survived then at the very least we're talking several hundred counts of attempted murder due to it having occurred during the commission of another crime and the reckless disregard for life with which it was done.
Seriously, the Licori having the ability to do what they just did is even more terrifying than the Licori being able to blow up stars, and even less good can come of it.
2313.Q3.M3 - Gabriel Border Zone
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Sector Commander's Log, Gabriel BZ, Rear Admiral Ainsworth
The Sydraxians have fallen back from Deva station without a fight, and we have destroyed a nascent outpost, although we have not destroyed the colony under construction. The auxiliary ships fled first behind a screen of two Hasques and two Kalindraxes, and we did not engage them.
This means that the Sydraxian presence in the GBZ has been sharply curtailed from now, and they will be having to stage from within their own territory, directly from Moskar. I am sure they plan to retake Deva at some point, but I believe we have earned breathing space. I can pursue no farther, of course, without leaving the GBZ and entering Sydraxian territory. Still, I am clearing my prospectors for access to subsector 2e. Hopefully we will have some solid finds in the rest of this subsector and the neighbouring one.
[Gain +5pp]
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Starfleet Personnel Command Progress Update
Commodore Victoria Eaton has been promoted to Rear Admiral and taken control of the Anti-Slavery Task Force in Orion Union space.
Commodore Nash ka'Sharren has been given control of the space-going Task Force for the time being, as Task Force 2 has returned to Amarkian space after running out of targets capable of justifying their presence, and the Amarkian desire to move on the Gabriel Expanse.
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Missive from the Federation Diplomatic Service
Questions regarding the the assassins encountered from the Yan-Ros have been resolved to our satisfaction, and the Yan-Ros will be joining the Federation as affiliates.
Questions regarding the Licori's culpability are being further raised in light of recent events and a further hold on any attempts at direct intervention is in place. We are endeavouring to gain representatives from both sides for a summit.
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The Sydraxians have fallen back from Deva station without a fight, and we have destroyed a nascent outpost, although we have not destroyed the colony under construction. The auxiliary ships fled first behind a screen of two Hasques and two Kalindraxes, and we did not engage them.
This means that the Sydraxian presence in the GBZ has been sharply curtailed from now, and they will be having to stage from within their own territory, directly from Moskar. I am sure they plan to retake Deva at some point, but I believe we have earned breathing space. I can pursue no farther, of course, without leaving the GBZ and entering Sydraxian territory. Still, I am clearing my prospectors for access to subsector 2e. Hopefully we will have some solid finds in the rest of this subsector and the neighbouring one.
[Gain +5pp]
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Starfleet Personnel Command Progress Update
Commodore Victoria Eaton has been promoted to Rear Admiral and taken control of the Anti-Slavery Task Force in Orion Union space.
Commodore Nash ka'Sharren has been given control of the space-going Task Force for the time being, as Task Force 2 has returned to Amarkian space after running out of targets capable of justifying their presence, and the Amarkian desire to move on the Gabriel Expanse.
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Missive from the Federation Diplomatic Service
Questions regarding the the assassins encountered from the Yan-Ros have been resolved to our satisfaction, and the Yan-Ros will be joining the Federation as affiliates.
Questions regarding the Licori's culpability are being further raised in light of recent events and a further hold on any attempts at direct intervention is in place. We are endeavouring to gain representatives from both sides for a summit.
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UbeOne
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So, what was the answer?
Good. Have them talk about their issues and sort them out.
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Did we want to force the Sydraxians to battle there or are we happy they retreated?
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So, the Sydraxians did not double down and commit another heavy squadron to replace the one we busted up at Deva IX, and indeed apparently decided that Deva was not a defensible location in the face of Starfleet pressure. They packed up and left.
In other words, while it took a few months for the ramifications to become clear, we won the Battle of Deva IX.
Yaay us!
[Scenes from my battle omake are still coming, albeit slowly. Wrote Commander T'Mest's main scene recently. She acted heroically and in the finest traditions of Starfleet. o7 ]
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In other news, the FDS does (as Briefvoice alluded to) now have a better clue of why the Ked Paddah are angry, and is taking steps to get their side of the story, so yay them too!
However, Ainsworth's objective for the campaign was to prevent the Sydraxians from establishing a fortress in the Deva system. This 'knocks them back' away from our own areas of interest and operations, by a distance equal to several days' travel for even relatively fast civilian ships, and at least a few days' travel for warships. It is about the best result we could have hoped for without actively invading Sydraxia.
Achieving this objective without having to fight a second battle is certainly acceptable. After all, we're going to need to deal with the Cardassians and maybe even the Dylaarians too, and conserving our strength to do that is good.
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So basically, them retreating counts as us getting what we want. Them fighting a battle, and losing, and then retreating would have been a bigger win for us... But by the same token, them fighting a battle, inflicting significant damage on our forces even if we win, and retreating would have been a smaller win for us.
In other words, while it took a few months for the ramifications to become clear, we won the Battle of Deva IX.
Yaay us!
[Scenes from my battle omake are still coming, albeit slowly. Wrote Commander T'Mest's main scene recently. She acted heroically and in the finest traditions of Starfleet. o7 ]
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In other news, the FDS does (as Briefvoice alluded to) now have a better clue of why the Ked Paddah are angry, and is taking steps to get their side of the story, so yay them too!
It might, in some abstract sense, have been advantageous for us to fight another battle and inflict further losses on their fleet.
However, Ainsworth's objective for the campaign was to prevent the Sydraxians from establishing a fortress in the Deva system. This 'knocks them back' away from our own areas of interest and operations, by a distance equal to several days' travel for even relatively fast civilian ships, and at least a few days' travel for warships. It is about the best result we could have hoped for without actively invading Sydraxia.
Achieving this objective without having to fight a second battle is certainly acceptable. After all, we're going to need to deal with the Cardassians and maybe even the Dylaarians too, and conserving our strength to do that is good.
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So basically, them retreating counts as us getting what we want. Them fighting a battle, and losing, and then retreating would have been a bigger win for us... But by the same token, them fighting a battle, inflicting significant damage on our forces even if we win, and retreating would have been a smaller win for us.
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Snacking with Seyek
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AKuz
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The Sydraxians must be absolutely
/humiliated/
They fled without a fight or any resistance at all and took a major and tangible strategic blow that might even be considered a territorial loss.
They don't even get a good song out of it.
The war party that has been fighting us for a decade must have lost so much face.
I expect there is a lot of internal reorganization going on. Especially since the Cardassians didn't move to help them in any way and were, in fact, quite docile during our offensive. -Cardassian patronage continues to be a bad deal for everyone who takes it. I expect there is as much resentment towards Cardassia this week as there is towards us.
/humiliated/
They fled without a fight or any resistance at all and took a major and tangible strategic blow that might even be considered a territorial loss.
They don't even get a good song out of it.
The war party that has been fighting us for a decade must have lost so much face.
I expect there is a lot of internal reorganization going on. Especially since the Cardassians didn't move to help them in any way and were, in fact, quite docile during our offensive. -Cardassian patronage continues to be a bad deal for everyone who takes it. I expect there is as much resentment towards Cardassia this week as there is towards us.
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Or they are being pragmatic and are pulling back so that they can at a later point do a coordinated push with the Cardassians.
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The thing is, if the Sydraxians were that pragmatic, they wouldn't have sworn vengeance against us for (allegedly) defiling a cultural/religious site in the first place.
I can easily imagine that the war party is telling themselves something like "this is just a temporary withdrawal."That they are just being pragmatic.
But I can also imagine a lot of Sydraxian citizens and political leaders asking the government "you've made the need to prepare and organize against the Federation the cornerstone of your policy, you've asked us to make many sacrifices, you've aligned us against several potential allies and trading partners, and this is the best we can get as a consequence?"
I can easily imagine that the war party is telling themselves something like "this is just a temporary withdrawal."That they are just being pragmatic.
But I can also imagine a lot of Sydraxian citizens and political leaders asking the government "you've made the need to prepare and organize against the Federation the cornerstone of your policy, you've asked us to make many sacrifices, you've aligned us against several potential allies and trading partners, and this is the best we can get as a consequence?"
Startrek, despite being very liberal, in general respects sovereignty of nations for as long as they have multi-megatons of starships on hand or equivalent technology to back up the claim.
AKuz
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It is a very real setback that reeks of defeat.
The Sydraxian on the street just hears about a major defeat and then total abandonment of the conflict area. When they get told "No! You see this actually a clever victory!" They'll roll their eyes.
And the personnel of that fleet that fell back are probably feeling pretty bad and now have low moral. They literally abandoned a Colony. Even if it was for good reasons it still feels like a major defeat -Especially to a militaristic glory culture.
We've sized the initiative hard just like we'd hoped.
Our dismay at our damaged ships is probably nothing compared to the Sydraxian horror: a bunch of grass smoking peacenic hippies beat them up, destroyed their ships, and stole their shit. Sydraxian morale amongst the rank and file must be in the toilet.
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I'm still not clear on exactly how @Alias thinks sovereignty was violated. In particular, whose sovereignty, and in what respect? If it's involving the thing with the Yan-Ros...
The animals in question were stolen from Yan-Ro territory and Yan-Ro authorities were in hot pursuit.
The human colony the animals were found on may have been independent from the Federation, but that doesn't give them the right to harbor international smugglers who have already violated the laws of at least one other nation.
The animals in question were stolen from Yan-Ro territory and Yan-Ro authorities were in hot pursuit.
The human colony the animals were found on may have been independent from the Federation, but that doesn't give them the right to harbor international smugglers who have already violated the laws of at least one other nation.
AKuz
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FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION UNENDING BITCHES!
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