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Iron Wolf said:
I was going to say after phone calls we'd logically transition to attack ads but I see we are basically already there.
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Now Commodore Revak says he stands up for the common sapient, but word on the street is a lot of people think he's in the pocket of Big Logic. I'm not telling you what to believe, but a lot of people are talking about it. You decide folks.
 
KnightDisciple said:
Harriman is the Angel of the Nexus (as opposed to just Death)?
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Well, being inside the Nexus is sort of an approximation of heaven. ;)

Chaos Blade said:
Right... he was the one at the helm, had forgotten about him

You know, if we could study the Nexus, we could use it to xerox key personnel and exploit them for a long, long time.
I mean, by how the Nexus was defined in Generations...
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They might not want to come back, you know.
 
I'm not actually sure what people think is the problem with Revak, other than "he's political".

I mean what? Sousa's introductory paragraph under Kahurangi tenure was literally that she wanted Kahurangi's chair, but I can't seem to recall anyone being opposed to her on those grounds. Consistency is a thing that exists people.

I mean, he wasn't my first choice, but he's close enough to my preferred style of Escort Command that I have no problem backing him. I can understand sympathy behind Thuir, as a sort of popular fan character, but I don't think he's particularly suited to the position in question, Sydraxians or no Sydraxians.

Like, I haven't seen a concrete anti-Revak position besides one post going "fuck Revak" because ???
 
Alastor Mobius Toth said:
I'm not actually sure what people think is the problem with Revak, other than "he's political".

I mean what? Sousa's introductory paragraph under Kahurangi tenure was literally that she wanted Kahurangi's chair, but I can't seem to recall anyone being opposed to her on those grounds. Consistency is a thing that exists people.

I mean, he wasn't my first choice, but he's close enough to my preferred style of Escort Command that I have no problem backing him. I can understand sympathy behind Thuir, as a sort of popular fan character, but I don't think he's particularly suited to the position in question, Sydraxians or no Sydraxians.

Like, I haven't seen a concrete anti-Revak position besides one post going "fuck Revak" because ???
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Mostly it's because he started out as an EC captain only giving pp benefits, and has continued to be only good for generating pp. Not that that's a bad thing, but it turned a lot of people off from him when he was on the EC panel because he didn't give any benefits to his ship, and it kind of stuck. Plus his ship did get bombed while he was in command.
 
Chaos Blade said:
It is not about competence, but he is not the kind of officer Star Trek tends to be fond of.
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People tend not to remember this well but Picard was a hell of a political animal. He was a personal friend of all his time's EC panel and literally dropped everything to come back and talk to Starfleet Command and they were like "what's up bro, we were just going to have dinner, pull up a chair!"

Of course, dinner turned out to be mealworms because this was the Bluegill episode but nobody, including Picard, saw anything weird about him being able to just fly over and talk to his buddies at SFC because he was a bit worried about their orders lately and wanted to check up on them, or that time where he got props from Ambassador Sarek and the two seemed actually friendly when they met, or how whenever there's a diplomatic crisis or somebody who puts the ass in ambassador needs to be transported they call Picard. Kirk turning up at SFC would have gotten mocked for his insane mission reports. Sisko yelled at admirals regularly. Janeway was posted to some Admiralty Board thing that has no real power as soon as possible. Picard? He's smoother than silk. They literally ask him to sit down and have a drink.
 
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Nix said:
The Treaty of Celos should be saying something about the "Strait of Themis" one way or another, I can't just arbitrarily decide whether it's closed in a map update.

Added the supply routes and made a placeholder station symbol, unfortunately the only reasonably distinctive looking Star Trek station that doesn't look similar to either the starbase or the outpost symbol that I could find are Terok Nor style Cardassian stations and I'm pretty sure these stations are supposed to be smaller than that.
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You knpw looking at that map I actually tempted to stop our "southward" expansion (after getting our affiliates there joined up) in the hope that it will lead to Cardassians and Klingons clashing with each other which could be quite entertaining to watch from the outside^^. Plus it would it would mean that we could avoid what seems destined to become a extremely convoluted border considering the various Cardassian aligned faction active there.
 
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Night said:
People tend not to remember this well but Picard was a hell of a political animal. He was a personal friend of all his time's EC panel and literally dropped everything to come back and talk to Starfleet Command and they were like "what's up bro, we were just going to have dinner, pull up a chair!"

Of course, dinner turned out to be mealworms because this was the Bluegill episode but nobody, including Picard, saw anything weird about him being able to just fly over and talk to his buddies at SFC because he was a bit worried about their orders lately and wanted to check up on them, or that time where he got props from Ambassador Sarek and the two seemed actually friendly when they met, or how whenever there's a diplomatic crisis or somebody who puts the ass in ambassador needs to be transported they call Picard. Kirk turning up at SFC would have gotten mocked for his insane mission reports. Sisko yelled at admirals regularly. Janeway was posted to some Admiralty Board thing that has no real power as soon as possible. Picard? He's smoother than silk. They literally ask him to sit down and have a drink.
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I feel like the only thing Picard would not have a "High" ranking in would be Aggressiveness, which would be Medium. The man's not perfect, but he's a hell of a Captain.
 
Night said:
People tend not to remember this well but Picard was a hell of a political animal. He was a personal friend of all his time's EC panel and literally dropped everything to come back and talk to Starfleet Command and they were like "what's up bro, we were just going to have dinner, pull up a chair!"

Of course, dinner turned out to be mealworms because this was the Bluegill episode but nobody, including Picard, saw anything weird about him being able to just fly over and talk to his buddies at SFC because he was a bit worried about their orders lately and wanted to check up on them, or that time where he got props from Ambassador Sarek and the two seemed actually friendly when they met, or how whenever there's a diplomatic crisis or somebody who puts the ass in ambassador needs to be transported they call Picard. Kirk turning up at SFC would have gotten mocked for his insane mission reports. Sisko yelled at admirals regularly. Janeway was posted to some Admiralty Board thing that has no real power as soon as possible. Picard? He's smoother than silk. They literally ask him to sit down and have a drink.
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Reminder of his EU fate:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard said:
Ambassador PicardEdit

After returning to Earth, a personal request from the president of the Federation and a great deal of personal reflection, Captain Picard resigned his commission with Starfleet. After a three-month sabbatical in France, Picard took his place as the Federation Ambassador to Vulcan. (ST website: The Path to 2409; ST comic: "Countdown, Number Two")
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Night said:
People tend not to remember this well but Picard was a hell of a political animal. He was a personal friend of all his time's EC panel and literally dropped everything to come back and talk to Starfleet Command and they were like "what's up bro, we were just going to have dinner, pull up a chair!"

Of course, dinner turned out to be mealworms because this was the Bluegill episode but nobody, including Picard, saw anything weird about him being able to just fly over and talk to his buddies at SFC because he was a bit worried about their orders lately and wanted to check up on them, or that time where he got props from Ambassador Sarek and the two seemed actually friendly when they met, or how whenever there's a diplomatic crisis or somebody who puts the ass in ambassador needs to be transported they call Picard. Kirk turning up at SFC would have gotten mocked for his insane mission reports. Sisko yelled at admirals regularly. Janeway was posted to some Admiralty Board thing that has no real power as soon as possible. Picard? He's smoother than silk. They literally ask him to sit down and have a drink.
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No one says it's a bad thing to be good at playing politics. It's just Revak hasn't been seen to have any other notable characteristics. People don't like Picard because he was good at schmoozing with Admirals. They like him because he was played by Patrick Stewart and had nerves of steel.
 
Nervos Belli said:
Mostly it's because he started out as an EC captain only giving pp benefits, and has continued to be only good for generating pp. Not that that's a bad thing, but it turned a lot of people off from him when he was on the EC panel because he didn't give any benefits to his ship, and it kind of stuck. Plus his ship did get bombed while he was in command.
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He handled it as well as could be expected given it was a Tal Shiar op. And objectively, exactly same thing happened to Thuir, so I'm not sure why one should get the pass over the other.

I can understand people being turn off by his EC perks and how often he came up, but this isn't an EC posting, and there's nothing we've seen from Revak in-character that would make him seem like an unprofessional commander. If he's on the list then it means he's got the chops at the very least to do his job right. Ironically, I will say that depending on what you're expecting from escort commander, Revak (and Lecras) offer better deal than Thuir.

Like, our job isn't to pick fan-favorite TV series character for them to get more screen time; it's choosing the most effective man for the job. I have no doubts that Thuir can do a lot of good for the Federation, just not as the designated Escort Commander in the Gabriel Expanse.
 
Picard is one of the few captains I can imagine being higher-Nerve than Michel Thuir.

KnightDisciple said:
I feel like the only thing Picard would not have a "High" ranking in would be Aggressiveness, which would be Medium. The man's not perfect, but he's a hell of a Captain.
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Agreed. Though I could see a Medium in Politics, not because he lacks the skills but because uncompromising stands on principle are his signature, the way romancing space babes and talking computers to death is for Kirk.

I imagine there are a lot of political operators in the galaxy whose thoughts on Picard are "oh, great fellow, love the guy, but sometimes that ramrod in his spine shows and you just can't work with him." Very, very widely respected, very well liked even by his opponents within the bureaucracy. But not always the guy with the winning hand at the end of a political struggle within his own service.

Nervos Belli said:
No one says it's a bad thing to be good at playing politics. It's just Revak hasn't been seen to have any other notable characteristics. People don't like Picard because he was good at schmoozing with Admirals. They like him because he was played by Patrick Stewart and had nerves of steel.
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That's because we've never seen Revak up close. He's spent his entire career tooling around in the background doing other stuff.

He could have a battery of quirks and personality traits as interesting as Straak's or T'Lorel's, but we wouldn't know because we voted NOT to get deluged with his Captain's Logs like we voted for them.
 
Let's also remember Picard is such a political animal yet also seen as principled enough that the Klingons brought him in to arbitrate their transition of power.

OneirosTheWriter said:
Scotty saw it coming, did what he could to escape.

Harriman is coming for the whole crew.
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You know, there is no definitive proof Harriman wasn't involved in the Jenolan incident.

Nervos Belli said:
Now Commodore Revak says he stands up for the common sapient, but word on the street is a lot of people think he's in the pocket of Big Logic. I'm not telling you what to believe, but a lot of people are talking about it. You decide folks.
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[Soft, upbeat acoustic music]
[Michael Thiur standing, crossing his arms, smiling, as UFP flag waves in the background][V/O, MT]: Hi, I'm Michel Thiur. And this Q1, I want you to consider me for the commander of TF2.
[MT sitting, interview style]: I don't back down from bullies. I've been standing up to bullies all my life, and the sort of fear-machine of the Cardassians, their strongarm tactics -- we need to plant our flag of peace, and of hope, and tell them that they can't push us and other species around.
[MT looking out over water pensively][V/O, MT]: I've made mistakes with the Sydraxians. I'll admit that. But that doesn't mean--
[MT sitting, interview style]--that I'm the wrong, inflammatory choice. Kirk brought peace with the Klingons, I hope I could deliver the same. But if it comes down to it, I've been out there, I know the area and the people, and I can defend the security of the Federation with whatever tools they give me.
[Michel Thiur title card][V/o, MT] I'm Michel Thiur, and I approve this message.
On Wolfe's desktop terminal, the alert for an incoming communication from Starfleet Intelligence's Psychological Operations Office lit up. He tapped it, and the face of Lieutenant Commander Thollet ch'Rezen appeared. As usual, his uniform was immaculate, every device in the right place and the fabric crisp. Idly, he spun a PADD stylus in one hand.

"Morning, Thollet. I have to say, I am surprised to be getting a comms from you, we're not due for a check-in with your division until Tuesday."

"Wolfe," he said, "I have a question."

"Shoot."

"You know I'm not good with sarcasm. So last week, at the check-in video conference, when you said, and I quote, 'Hey, genius idea: we should use some of our video-simulator stuff to make campaign videos for the various candidates and send them to Sousa,' and then 'You'd need to do it in secret and on your own, so it's a surprise--'"

"Oh no."

"That was not a joke?" The stylus came to a halt in ch'Rezen's hand.

"Nope."

"Oh dear."
 
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There's probably a reason Wolfe wants to stay assigned to the task force, lest he's sent back to Earth to face scrutiny.

"Mr. Wolfe, you had 47 wacky misadventures in the last two years and only one serious, gritty adventure. This is completely unacceptable. Where do you find the time to do work when you're constantly having slapstick mixups?"
 
Night said:
More fodder for my eventual "The Old Man" omake about Stresk riding herd on all these yahoos.
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Do you mean Seruk the Personnel guy? Or Stesk the pacifist leader guy?

ClawClawBite said:
Picard's explore captain ability was likely: reroll presence tests, reroll tests to generate exceptional crewmembers.
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I dunno, his command team doesn't seem to have been all that much more impressive than Kirk's or what we would have generated for an OC, with the exception of Data.

It's like, compare Picard's command team to Nash's:

Riker - Ajam/Mrr'shan.
About tied for coolness and competence, honestly. Riker has the edge in certain areas, but that is in part because he's basically 'the other half' of the captaincy, handling the Kirk-type stuff while Picard is more cerebral.

Data - Zaardmani
Definitely edge to Data.

Geordi - Bazeck
About tied. Geordi's more interesting, but not for reasons that make him a mechanically superior engineer.

Worf - Mrr'shan/Zhang/Acheson
Okay, definitely points to Worf.

??? - Stol
I'm not even sure who to match Stol up against but Stol is a badass.

Crusher - Asurva
About tied, again. This time I think Asurva's a bit more interesting, but again, not for reasons that relate to her performance as a physician

Troi - Leaniss
Troi is may be slightly more useful but only because she's psychic. And that's not a foregone conclusion; we didn't see a lot of Leaniss's contributions beyond that abstract "+1 Presence."

Picard's command team is a bit more impressive than Nash's was, mostly due to the integration of a futuristic robot plus Worf. But the gap isn't that wide, honestly.

Briefvoice said:
Maybe amending the anti-Syndicate legislation needn't be such a big priority after all.
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Perhaps not, but I'd like to take as much advantage of the Syndicate's weakening condition, as fast as possible. Us winning on Celos and the Cardassians cutting support will put them down, but not out. I'd like to take them out, not just take them down. And if we can do that a year or two sooner, it saves us a year or two of having our political options hamstrung by the ongoing Cost.

Which is more precious to us, 30pp now, or the freedom to use 50pp or 70pp five years down the road, that would otherwise have been eaten by Cost-monsters? It can be argued either way, I guess.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
I dunno, his command team doesn't seem to have been all that much more impressive than Kirk's or what we would have generated for an OC, with the exception of Data.
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And that reminded me of him, so I went off and checked. We've still 22 years before Data's creation, 15 before Noonien Soong married his wife at Omicron Theta...

I think Soong might currently still be working for us, actually. He was at the Daystrom Institute until a very hyped up yet ultimately failed first attempt at the positronic brain got him essentially forcibly retired, sometime before he left for Omicron Theta.
 
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