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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Actually, this is pure supposition...but I think it isn't *just* dying demons but demons that have been slain in such a way that their very magical makeup is disrupted like the original Greedy-One was, the explosion's residue being what makes the Voidstone rather than just demons dying.
 
argenten said:
Actually, this is pure supposition...but I think it isn't *just* dying demons but demons that have been slain in such a way that their very magical makeup is disrupted like the original Greedy-One was, the explosion's residue being what makes the Voidstone rather than just demons dying.
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I would not mind more reasons to make daemons go Boom.
 
soulcake said:
Literally any Gromril from Kraka Drakk's mines that gets exported is sent through the Brotherhood first. They still pay market rate, discounts are alien to dwarfs y'see.
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If we were trading Gromil to the south I wouldnt mind that since money will still be the same. Is it just per batch or something? I dont see how if we wanted to trade to the north that we would have to send it all the way to the south first.
 
Ancient Scholar said:
If we were trading Gromil to the south I wouldnt mind that since money will still be the same. Is it just per batch or something? I dont see how if we wanted to trade to the north that we would have to send it all the way to the south first.
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The way he explains it there does seem a little ambiguous but the actual option sounds like it's basically just right of first refusal. Kraka Drakk produces x units of gromril for sale any given year and the Brotherhood gets first call to buy as much as it wants, from all to none of it. I would guess that if they don't decide to buy the entire supply that year we don't need to ship the excess down to them first because that does seem odd.
 
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Why wouldn't we add in the first pick at gromril export in our offer?

No, really, why not?

Gromril gets exported at the same price and in the same amounts as before, it's just that Brotherhood gets the first pick.
 
The only concern I see with giving the Brotherhood first pick is that they'll hog the Norscan Gromril, which isn't much of a concern at all since there are other sources of gromril. Plus it's a Dwarfen Runelord Think Tank. We should support them as much as we can. More Radicalism is only a good thing when it comes to the Karaz Ankor.
 
Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
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This is really good. Regeneration and Tirelessness is something that Dwarf heroes benefit immensely from, since regeneration/magical healing is something the dwarves kind of lack. Tirelessness and regen means that a dwarf that's badass enough to take on all comers for a little while can instead keep doing it so long as his luck holds out.

Plus, imagine what that kind of Master Rune could do on a high-tier suit of armor for a hero Gryphon.

Hell, if we want to avoid the Rule of Pride, couldn't we just make, say, gromril emblems with just that rune to give to healers to treat wounded? Since it's a single rune and not a combination of runes? And if we make the emblems slightly different each time, then they're technically not the same, either.
 
HanEmpire said:
The only concern I see with giving the Brotherhood first pick is that they'll hog the Norscan Gromril, which isn't much of a concern at all since there are other sources of gromril. Plus it's a Dwarfen Runelord Think Tank. We should support them as much as we can. More Radicalism is only a good thing when it comes to the Karaz Ankor.
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Besides, they'll only hog Norscan gromril meant for export.

Anyone who really wants gromril can just go to Kraka Drak and buy gromril there.
 
I was going to say that who the Gromril is sold to was not really our prerogative, but then I remembered that we do actually own the Gromril mine.

Also, what happens if we use our Smelter on impure gromril? Does it get purified to "Pure" level?
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Hell, if we want to avoid the Rule of Pride, couldn't we just make, say, gromril emblems with just that rune to give to healers to treat wounded? Since it's a single rune and not a combination of runes? And if we make the emblems slightly different each time, then they're technically not the same, either.
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Master Runes alone will trigger Rule of Pride, combos just let you override that to a degree as long as the combos are different.

That said, there is a way you might be able to boost the dawi healers in groups, and that' be to try and make a Banner variant of it. Healing, something, and master rune of Valaya would probably be more effective off the battlefield tho.
 
Horium said:
Why wouldn't we add in the first pick at gromril export in our offer?

No, really, why not?

Gromril gets exported at the same price and in the same amounts as before, it's just that Brotherhood gets the first pick.
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Well, if someone closer to home wanted to buy gromril gear from Krakka Drakk in the future - like the other surviving northern holds, or the ppl resettling the fallen ones, or our pals the griffons - they might find supply being pretty sharply limited if Snorri's promised right of first refusal to the Bros of Dope. Keeping a say in gromril distribution means Snorri could provide materials to arm a bunch of dwarfs in another northern hold if he wanted to repeat his runesmith collaboration trick, for example. That seems pretty cool to me, given his spiel to Brynna about the importance of co-operation and lateral thinking just now.

More generally, I'm a little bit leery of a contract where the bros can fulfil their part immediately (teaching Snorri a specified set of runes) and Snorri's part would be ongoing indefinitely (letting them have first pick of the output of his mine for all eternity). It wouldn't be a catastrophe or anything but I'd rather there was a clear point in time when Snorri can say he's performed according to the terms of the contract and his specific obligations are discharged. Especially seeing as we don't really need to sign away the gromril to afford everything on offer I'm interested in.

SaltyWaffles said:
This is really good. Regeneration and Tirelessness is something that Dwarf heroes benefit immensely from, since regeneration/magical healing is something the dwarves kind of lack. Tirelessness and regen means that a dwarf that's badass enough to take on all comers for a little while can instead keep doing it so long as his luck holds out.

Plus, imagine what that kind of Master Rune could do on a high-tier suit of armor for a hero Gryphon.

Hell, if we want to avoid the Rule of Pride, couldn't we just make, say, gromril emblems with just that rune to give to healers to treat wounded? Since it's a single rune and not a combination of runes? And if we make the emblems slightly different each time, then they're technically not the same, either.
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Soul's said before that using the same master rune over and over is enough by itself to break the rule of pride, eventually, regardless of any other runes being used. Chiselling the same rune or array into different bases won't work either (Soul nixed the idea when ppl suggested making lots of individually designed statues, with unique facial features etc, and then spamming the master waking rune to get an army of killbots).
 
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argenten said:
Actually, this is pure supposition...but I think it isn't *just* dying demons but demons that have been slain in such a way that their very magical makeup is disrupted like the original Greedy-One was, the explosion's residue being what makes the Voidstone rather than just demons dying.
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Yeah, but I was deliberately leaving out too much speculation. We don't know the specific reason it forms. We do know that it can form when a demon dies, and that limits the total number of places to check pretty significantly. It also means that those particular locations are likely to be recorded.
 
bird yells said:
Well, if someone closer to home wanted to buy gromril gear from Krakka Drakk in the future - like the other surviving northern holds, or the ppl resettling the fallen ones, or our pals the griffons - they might find supply being pretty sharply limited if Snorri's promised right of first refusal to the Bros of Dope. Keeping a say in gromril distribution means Snorri could provide materials to arm a bunch of dwarfs in another northern hold if he wanted to repeat his runesmith collaboration trick, for example.
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That's not what the option means. They are asking for the right of first refusal not on the entire production of gromril, but for gromril meant for export.

Meaning, surplus gromril, gromril not used by Kraka Drak and/or Snorri himself.

Meaning, if Snorri wants to make gromril armaments (or even toys) for the entire north, he still gets to do it.

Gromril that remains, the surplus, gets shipped south and that surplus is what Brotherhood wants the first claim on.

Having first right to entire production of gromril mined and smelted in Kraka Drak would be worth faaaar more than mere two points.
 
i just realised how insane it would be i we used the greedy ones heart on the master rune of unyielding sine iirc it massively boosts regen from runes
 
Horium said:
That's not what the option means. They are asking for the right of first refusal not on the entire production of gromril, but for gromril meant for export.

Meaning, surplus gromril, gromril not used by Kraka Drak and/or Snorri himself.

Meaning, if Snorri wants to make gromril armaments (or even toys) for the entire north, he still gets to do it.

Gromril that remains, the surplus, gets shipped south and that surplus is what Brotherhood wants the first claim on.

Having first right to entire production of gromril mined and smelted in Kraka Drak would be worth faaaar more than mere two points.
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Giving them any control no matter how minor over our Gromril is not something I'm confortable with.
 
Ferdiad said:
We're formalising with one specific group though, we may want to keep that access open for some reason in the future.
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agreed at this moment there is no endpoint of the right of first refusal for the brotherhood as such I'm very uncomfortable with offering that as part of the deal. if it stated for example for a century or 2 or even just a cut off time period then I would possibly be more willing to deal. but as it's worded it lasts until the mine runs dry, we get cut off from the rest of the dawi empire, or the end times happen
 
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