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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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You believe the original first copy is destined for the halls of Zhufbar, His favourite haunt, and the great Guildhall there.
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Grimnir favored Karak Kadrin, Valaya favored Karaz a' Karak, Morgrim favored Zhufbar (obvious in hindsight)...Thungni probably favored Karak Azul, or perhaps Smednir, so I'm not sure which ones were favored by Grungni, Thungni/Smednir, and Gazul (though I'm not sure the latter would have had one).

Perhaps Karak Ungor for Grungni considering it's the Delving Hold with all the tunnels to explore and expand, and his personal investment in its construction?
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Grimnir favored Karak Kadrin, Valaya favored Karaz a' Karak, Morgrim favored Zhufbar (obvious in hindsight)...Thungni probably favored Karak Azul, so I'm not sure which ones were favored by Grungni, Smednir, and Gazul (though I'm not sure the latter would have had one).
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From the description in the opening posts, I would guess that Smednir is the one that would favor Karak Azul.

Not sure about the rest though. We're too young to be Thugni's favorite... unless he's up for something new. If he is, we have a good chance of being it.
We probably have the a high concentration of runesmiths of all the holds, and a the highest chance of rare rune related events, so maybe we're more interesting to watch?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Grimnir favored Karak Kadrin, Valaya favored Karaz a' Karak, Morgrim favored Zhufbar (obvious in hindsight)...Thungni probably favored Karak Azul, so I'm not sure which ones were favored by Grungni, Smednir, and Gazul (though I'm not sure the latter would have had one).
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Karak Varn is probably Grungni's, though I'm surprised Zhufbar isn't Smednir's. Grungni's a miner, Karak Varn's apparently the main source of gromril thanks to the big crater-lake. Zhufbar is where Karak Varn's minerals are/were refined and forged, which matches up with Smednir. That's based on the wiki, though, so I'd treat the conclusion with caution.

EDIT: "iirc" had no place in this sentence lmao. Brain thought one thing, hands typed another.
 
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Fezzes said:
Karak Varn is probably Grungni's, though I'm surprised Zhufbar isn't Smednir's. Grungni's a miner, Karak Varn's iirc the main source of gromril thanks to the big crater-lake. Zhufbar is where Karak Varn's minerals are/were refined and forged, which matches up with Smednir. That's based on the wiki, though, so I'd treat the conclusion with caution.
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Zhufbar is home to the engineering guild though.
For Grugni, upon reading some more, I would propose Karak Eight Peaks:
They spent many generations carving architectural wonders into the solid mountain rock from which the city was constructed. The Dwarfs tunnelled deep into the roots of the surrounding mountains, excavating countless halls, galleries, plazas, mines and tunnels, shrines and temples
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or Karak Ungor, but that's probably too far north to receive so much attention from the big G.
Known as the 'Delving Hold'. This hold is located to the north-east of Karak Kadrin, built upon a great natural fault line in the earth. Vast seams and veins of minerals, gems and precious metals reside in the earth beneath the hold, and as such the dwarves built the deepest and most expansive network of mines and workings throughout the whole of the Worlds Edge Mountains
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BungieONI said:
Back during our apprentice selection it took 80 years to train up one to Snorri's satisfaction. 120 to train up two.
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Its an interesting discovery with Snerra: Its actually much more efficient to train multiple apprentices concurrently.
Training a pair at a time doesn't seem to take much more time on our part than training one. Most of the work is repeated, one task sheet to both, until they start developing specializations.
Training Snerra showed that training two batches which are at different stages of growth is also optimal - you can spend Apprentice actions(much less valuable!) on the newer apprentices, while also teaching them how to teach when they become Masters.

Hypothesis, the optimal apprentice setup should be something like:
-1 Senior Pair(approximately 2-3 turns away from graduation)
-1 Freshdwarf Pair

Its like an assembly line, the different parts need different things...and a completely fresh apprentice doesn't actually need a Runelord's attention, a Journeyman could do all the same things up until the point that they're ready to make their first rune, at which point its necessary for a Master to supervise.
Running errands with rocks on their backs is simple.
 
After that update I got an idea for how most dwarves perceive the Grumbling of their betters.

"Bah!"

"Bah!"

..."Bah!"

"Bah..!"

"Bah?"

"Bah!"

repeated with little to no change in inflection for hours until all possible information has been wrung out of each other and their beards are done comparing each other.
 
Steelhooves said:
After that update I got an idea for how most dwarves perceive the Grumbling of their betters.

"Bah!"

"Bah!"

..."Bah!"

"Bah..!"

"Bah?"

"Bah!"

repeated with little to no change in inflection for hours until all possible information has been wrung out of each other and their beards are done comparing each other.
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Khazalid is actually a sequence of vocal and aural exercises, that when performed for enough time teach the true language of the dwarfs.
 
Steelhooves said:
After that update I got an idea for how most dwarves perceive the Grumbling of their betters.

"Bah!"

"Bah!"

..."Bah!"

"Bah..!"

"Bah?"

"Bah!"

repeated with little to no change in inflection for hours until all possible information has been wrung out of each other and their beards are done comparing each other.
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All I can think of is this:
 
I bet Fjolla's gonna be relieved that out of all the northern Runelords, the one that managed to beat the odds and survive was her master.
 
soulcake said:
Well if isn't that cryptic as all hell. Rolling the scroll back up you look back at your master and see him scowling down at the letter from Alric Thungnisson.

(Roll, Perception: 65 +2[Sniffer] +30[Runelord] +20[Student of the Odd] -50[Eldest Writings] -22[Supreme Sniffer] =45) DC ????
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I wonder what Yorri's letter was about.
 
One of the side effects of having apprentices teach the apprentices during the early years is that the apprentices pass on their specialties.

Which might be a net positive (like Snerra getting Fjolla's exceptional speciality)
But otoh, she didn't actually get any directly from us either.

It's down to luck as iirc there is a single pick from a shared pool with combined specialities of all the teachers, but it does mess with the chances of passing down "odd and esoteric runes", which is not a speciality that is in the normal pool.
 
Dutch said:
I wonder what Yorri's letter was about.
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It seemed to be the same as in our letter-
You unseal the scroll and find what exactly Master Yorri was scowling about.
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A summons to the Runelord Moot, and the many Runelords fallen.

I expect it either included that he's a notable candidate, or the implication is that he is one by dint of being invited.
 
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godofsmallthings said:
After we are done with Yorri's places, I wanted us to visit other Runelords in nearby holds.

Guess that is not happening now...

We really need to find a way to get Runesmiths to collaborate and share knowledge.

As the sole Runelord and in future the eldest Runelord of the North, we are the top priest of Thungi in the region. We can set the policy for the whole North. We should make collaboration a thing across the North.
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We can't set policy like that. Runesmiths would never accept such a thing from anyone bar Thrugni himself. Like we might be able to make it a tradition that's wildly accepted via continuously doing it but it's always going to be something individual Runesmiths could refuse to take part in.

Reforming or shaping any aspect of Dwarvern society is hard and slow.
 
the Ancestor instead chose this time to publish a work He'd seemingly been working on for who knew how long. A great book of philosophy, axioms, lectures and critical thought exercises meant to help Dwarfs, engineers especially, consider the art of defending themselves, a position or even a Hold. Broken up into several sections, Morgrim, in His great wisdom, did not give exact examples of what defences were best for every occasion. Such an undertaking considered foolhardy by the Ancestor Himself, but rather to aid a Dwarf in understanding and considering their environment and circumstances when concocting a way of making the enemy bleed a gallon for every centimetre they crossed to get to said dwarf. That isn't to say He offered no tips or nuggets of wisdom because there are sections on trap layout that leave you awed in their sheer cleverness and potential for devastation, but He leaves the minutiae to the common dwarf to decide or at the very least consult their closest available engineer.
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And thus Morgrim became Roboute Guilliman. :p
 
IronFist said:
Hmm, his short apprenticeship could have played into how he was made runelord so young. The fact that he managed to achieve Mastery much with so little guidance.
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I think Snorri's journeymanship was probably pretty harrowing. He's very good at what he does, but he was never some Snerra-tier prodigy who learns at quadruple the rate of an average apprentice; when Yorri released him, his starting corpus of rune knowledge would have been a lot smaller than what Fjolla and Dolgi had when they set off. And it's not like Snorri's known runes would have all been immediately useful workhorses either, a pretty sizeable portion of them were probably things like runes of yodeling and other weird shit Yorri liked to tinker with. He'd have been really young, too (like 50 years old, maybe?), and we all know how much slack old dwarfs give to dumbass youngsters. Especially overconfident and hasty ones who leave their master's tutelage 50 years too early. (Nevermind that Snorri was probably painfully aware of his shortcomings and probably would have stayed on as an apprentice for much longer if Yorri would have let him.) What self-respecting businessman would take on a feckless idiot like that for contract work?

I imagine Snorri would have had to work his absolute ass off to convince clients he wasn't a total waste of breath, seeing as his runesmithing knowledge was demonstrably narrower than you'd expect from a journeyman and a lot of what he did know was oddball stuff without obvious utility to an employer. Then he'd have to build up his portfolio of runes from first principles, doing rune research in his spare time and so on. Yeahh, I can see how anyone making it through a crucible like that would probably have a pretty good shot at making runelord eventually.
 
rx915 said:
It's something to look into the next time it happens. What does a dwarf do when their own underway is used against them?

They'll be well prepared for a smidgeon when the golden age passes.
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I really doubt it. It's not like it was our presence that ensured daemons got into the underway so it must have happened in canon too yet Karaz Ankor was in no ways shape or form prepared for the Time of Woes.
 
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