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I believe we need to refine that even further before we decide to show that off. We can use it, especially in battle, to get field experience to see how it will work. But we can't be quick about it.
 
The Rune of Piercing Sight might work well very with the Rune of Windsight so that a person's physical flesh doesn't get in the way odf seeing their soul
 
Thungni has confirmed that Durin is dead. Additionally invisible text during Skarren's forging and the updates after it heavily imply that Yorri was witness to Durin falling into a Warp rift or being torn apart as a rune failed.

Is Yorri being Durin's former apprentice and possible heir until he gave up the position because of shame from preventing Durin's death something I first inferred and later misremembered as canon? Or is it canon? Or is it even a wrong inference to start with?

Oh wow. I just remembered about Yorri. This is going to be quite the conversation.

AFAIK, Yorri knows Snorri's working on it and is close to a solution. So it won't be unexpected even if the sheer momentousness of solving the riddle is overwhelming.

I have to admit I really don't like how KArstah is doing all the design work for runic items, and Snorri is just executing her designs.

That feels thematically wrong for how a master-heir relationship should work

Doing the design work is what master runesmiths do, replicating existing designs is what apprentices who haven't journeyed yet do.

Frankly, this feels thematically better than Snorri doing the design work and leaving Karstah to execute. Snorri is giving her the opportunity to spread her wings so to speak of.
 
Will the Windsight Eye grant Snorri the ability to see the disturbance in the Winds of Magic as Yorri approaches?

Will he finally be able to avoid getting ambushed with the dreaded Troll Tongue?!

At last, the student has surpassed the master.
 
Will he finally be able to avoid getting ambushed with the dreaded Troll Tongue?!

Maybe the hole goes deeper and the real reason why Durin was searching windsight was so Thungni wouldn't ambush him with ancestor level troll tongue :thonk:

Edit: I just realized, maybe hole goes even deeper and reason why Thungni discovered Ankor Byrn and runes was so Grungni wouldn't ambush him with mega ancestor level troll tongue :thonk: :thonk:
 
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damn it, if only we finished the eye earlier, so we could have seen the ancestor gods before they left with it, or we find the sleeping body of valaya somehow
 
Should the eventual classes for the Windsight eye have some sort of cap? IIRC we already do this for greater runes, right? Only masters and above?

The windsight eye would completely upend the way Runesmiths work and are trained. Should we do a limited handout to only Runelords or something?
 
Is Yorri being Durin's former apprentice and possible heir until he gave up the position because of shame from preventing Durin's death something I first inferred and later misremembered as canon? Or is it canon? Or is it even a wrong inference to start with?
It's pretty strongly implied from the invistext that Yorri is Durin's apprentice. Like basically confirmed. Whether or not he was the official heir is speculation as is whether or not he's a direct descendant of Durin. He definitely erased his history because of shame from surviving the event that got Durin killed. Unknown how much of said event was Yorri's fault.
 
Hopefully not Malekith this early. Though what rules it out is that he would be sane enough this early to get rid of incriminations more thoroughly.

Don't the leaders of the Fimir start with an M?
It is the Meargh. The Shadow Hag. The one that escaped us a while back. Confirmed to be The Shadow Hag at the end of the chapter.
 
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i wonder what snorri will see when he looks upon the dawi throne again and the runes on it

damn it, if only we finished the eye earlier, so we could have seen the ancestor gods before they left with it, or we find the sleeping body of valaya somehow

Yeah, so, I'm pretty sure that the eye would just stop working if he did that AT BEST.

There are things one is not meant to see, and the soul of a god or the inner machinations of their masterwork...

Well, if they aren't on the list, then you shouldn't trust that list's maker.
 
Should the eventual classes for the Windsight eye have some sort of cap? IIRC we already do this for greater runes, right? Only masters and above?

The windsight eye would completely upend the way Runesmiths work and are trained. Should we do a limited handout to only Runelords or something?
Maybe give it to runelords who are taking apprentices and let them figure it out?
 
Just realized, we could now Compress Makerstrike, Mountainsouled, and Stormfront in a single turn and still have 2 AP to use on other things. I have no idea where the research drip would go, frankly, but it is an option that we now have.
Alternately, we could now finish researching the Master Rune Of Thungni (Engineering), since it's been reduced to 10 progress left. 3 AP into each turn for 2 turns would get the job done. Though based on what's been mentioned for plans, that's probably waiting until after we finish Skaurdrengi, so Mind For Constructs might have an upgrade by then as well.
 
Just realized, we could now Compress Makerstrike, Mountainsouled, and Stormfront in a single turn and still have 2 AP to use on other things. I have no idea where the research drip would go, frankly, but it is an option that we now have.
Alternately, we could now finish researching the Master Rune Of Thungni (Engineering), since it's been reduced to 10 progress left. 3 AP into each turn for 2 turns would get the job done. Though based on what's been mentioned for plans, that's probably waiting until after we finish Skaurdrengi, so Mind For Constructs might have an upgrade by then as well.
Yep, I think there's a strong argument to compress mountainsouled asap. Once it's compressed it should get the metal tag meaning a convert and simplification is only 3ap lol. I'd say do it next turn but I don't think we can fit compressing and converting in one go. Windsight made it possible to actually create the master rune of the World that Was in like 2 turns now though which is nice. Mountainsoul needs to convert to banner anyway so that's kind of a free action in terms of setting up the runes for WtW. Stormmantle is 3ap to compress and simplify. Makerstrike is 1ap to compress, 2 to simplify and 1 to convert to banners. That one is still a bit rough without a trait. But a 3:1 makes it easier if we can get it.

Basically, once the work for mountainsoul is done, it's like 6ish AP to get normal stormmantle and makerstrike and then we can make WtW.
 
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Snorri can see souls of the dawi, it is just that it is not like ball of energy or anything, but outline of the person, with runesmiths having golden veins.

He can see the part of their souls that their bodies aren't obscuring the view of.

Doing the design work is what master runesmiths do, replicating existing designs is what apprentices who haven't journeyed yet do.

Frankly, this feels thematically better than Snorri doing the design work and leaving Karstah to execute. Snorri is giving her the opportunity to spread her wings so to speak of.

Yes, and Snorri is a runelord. He shouldn't just be executing his junior's designs. He's not an apprentice who hasn't gone on his journey yet.

I think, tbh, that the person who does part one of a design should also have to do part 2 to construct it. If Snorri trusts Karstah to design something, it should also be her responsibility and her reward to build it.
 
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