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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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soulcake said:
but from what you can infer it seems like Thungni intends whoever claims it to also be the frontrunner for the title of His heir. A title that has, officially at least, remained in contention ever since Durin's death. Mostly on account of Thungni's reticence to discuss the subject with anyone else. In lieu of an official declaration the Guild had defaulted to unofficially recognizing the next eldest of Thungni's line, transferring the title to their sibling upon their death rather than their own heir because of the ambiguity of the situation.
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So bringing back to this topic , the idea that this Trial/Riddle is to make the winner a contender for the title of Heir is IMO a massive development. Master Yorri's also mentioned that the Riddle and Challenge is relatively doable for second/Third generation RHunki but that no one in said generations would take the Challenge because Thungni has not selected them since it was a question of mentality.

In that case, the main expectation is not that an Heir is as good as Thungni, but one that can lead the cats Rune community in a suitable way. Something that each of the likely 5 Runelords who received the riddle can do. Unyielding, Kind, Willy, Logical are the known key traits of the 4 chosen of Thungni. Snorri is also probably in the same group as Snerra, being extraordinary compassionate.

This is still too early since we don't know if the Hammer has been taken yet, but I like to consider the title of Heir seriously.

Ignoring the needs of the dawi people, being a frontrunner of the title of Heir is I think a serious benefit for a lot of our plans. We're actively looking to change some parts of RuneLord Society by promoting hte sharing of knowledge. Especially of the vital and expensive to develop varieties. Being Heir makes the fomer easier and gives us more avenues in getting runes and rare catalysts.
 
Evillevi said:
So bringing back to this topic , the idea that this Trial/Riddle is to make the winner a contender for the title of Heir is IMO a massive development. Master Yorri's also mentioned that the Riddle and Challenge is relatively doable for second/Third generation RHunki but that no one in said generations would take the Challenge because Thungni has not selected them since it was a question of mentality.

In that case, the main expectation is not that an Heir is as good as Thungni, but one that can lead the cats Rune community in a suitable way. Something that each of the likely 5 Runelords who received the riddle can do. Unyielding, Kind, Willy, Logical are the known key traits of the 4 chosen of Thungni. Snorri is also probably in the same group as Snerra, being extraordinary compassionate.

This is still too early since we don't know if the Hammer has been taken yet, but I like to consider the title of Heir seriously.

Ignoring the needs of the dawi people, being a frontrunner of the title of Heir is I think a serious benefit for a lot of our plans. We're actively looking to change some parts of RuneLord Society by promoting hte sharing of knowledge. Especially of the vital and expensive to develop varieties. Being Heir makes the fomer easier and gives us more avenues in getting runes and rare catalysts.
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It could, though it requires people acknowledging Snorri as Heir. And tbh, if he himself is somewhat doubtful of it, a large number of people may simply refuse to acknowledge it.

And in the case of the question, I don't really care about answering yes or no - I'm gonna get what I want out of the sharing knowledge developments, Heir or not.
 
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To start off I find amusement in that Two Heirs of the Ancestors being Snorri and Snorri real funny. And as a reader being Heir, if it ever happens, would be an incredibly interesting part of the story because it's a part of Dawi society we don't get to see that often.

BungieONI said:
It could, though it requires people acknowledging Snorri as Heir. And tbh, if he himself is somewhat doubtful of it, a large number of people may simply refuse to acknowledge it.

And in the case of the question, I don't really care about answering yes or no - I'm gonna get what I want out of the sharing knowledge developments, Heir or not.
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In my opinion getting acknowledgement is achievable if difficult. Yorri implies that Oldtimers and peers of his delibarately won't touch the riddle because the point was for Thungni's chosen(S) to handle it even though the oldtimers can beat the Riddle themselves. Their acknowledgement is probably significantly easier to get with the Hammer in tow.

However finding a way to handle the Runelords would be a massive pain given even Snorri's presence couldn't stop the Kings from breaking into a brawl in that grand meeting.

BungieONI said:
I'm gonna get what I want out of the sharing knowledge developments, Heir or not.
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That's fair.

Personally I want to get the title of Heir to accenerate the development of the Snorrists. Being Heir would grant this young and incredibly radical group of Runesmiths a lot of legitimacy and hopefully would finalise a third interpretation of the Rules of Pride.
 
If anyone challenges our claim as heir we can just hit them with the hammer, problem solved.

Vragni: What makes you think that I'll acknowledge you just because you have that hammer? It can't grant you nearly enough runic knowledge to- *Hammer to the face*

Snorri: It's also a hammer!
 
Being fair we are a Runelord of incredible potential even if it sounds a bit weird. Most Runelords hit a limit eventually. Even great Runelords have the potential to stagnate in practical terms even if their technical skill never stops improving.

In contrast Snorri is able to achieve what Snerra + Her peers could do with their incredible talents by literally opening every door Snorri could force, lockpick, bash or ask open. Sure Snorri's technical skill isn't as great as a lot of his peers, but in practical terms there are only a handful of Runki who have such a massive impact on so many Dawi.

The Chainforger alone has a near incalculable social value. Let alone the Brana, the Drakks, literal holds, etc
 
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Just going with what I think would make for the best combo, I don't believe there is a wrong answer to this riddle.
 
On the whole heir situation. I think we are dealing with three board groups excluding the Snorists who would of course love this. I'm going to be blunt in naming:

Radicals: they are going to be the most open to just taking our word for it since we are by the old axis a radical, we are interpreting the Rule of Pride as loosely as any of them
Conservatives: ... are going to grumble, there is no way around that, but they do not really have an existential stake in all of this. The idea that an heir can be worse than their master is not just commonplace it is more or less accepted. Older is better and the Ancestors are better than anyone. All well.
Reactionaries: These people think they are conservatives, but they are in fact willing to step over traditions 'Citadel of Creation' in order to return to their idea of the past. They will not accept us, they cannot, their entire idea of Runesmithing is based on how Snori is a terrible influence that should be countered, but at the same time he will have solved the riddle, there is no getting around what Thungi's intent was... which means that the only logical place they can go is to think that Thungi was... wrong to give Snori the riddle, or he was wrong to design the maze as it was. Regardless this will also serve the ultimate purpose of the Ancestors of weening the dwarfs off thinking that they were infallible.

I would not be surprised if Thungi planned this, politics and all
 
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It would probably come down to how obvious Thungni makes the process. If it's just Snorri's word and the hammer when he comes back up then the status could easily be contested. If Thungni left a more explicit set of instructions or something at the end of the trial then you could take it back to the Burudin to verify and then that would give Snorri a stronger position.

That being said, even if Thungni manifested in the next Conclave and was like "Snorri's the heir yo," what exactly is Snorri supposed to do with that? Thungni's heir doesn't really have codified authority like Whitebeard did so it's not like you really want to rock the boat much even with irrifutable evidence.
 
Well, if the heir is meant to inherit the position of the master, then the implication is that other runesmiths should watch his behaviour and try to reverse engineer what the rules for their cult/guild are from that.

That's unlikely to lead the Reactionaries into a good place. It's a good thing the Slayer institution isn't we'll established.
 
Alratan said:
Well, if the heir is meant to inherit the position of the master, then the implication is that other runesmiths should watch his behaviour and try to reverse engineer what the rules for their cult/guild are from that.

That's unlikely to lead the Reactionaries into a good place. It's a good thing the Slayer institution isn't we'll established.
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Pretty much yeah, the implication of being the heir is that the master approves of you and your direction. Your thoughts and opinions may not be better than his, but they sure as heck have more weight than a third party's interpretation of the master's thoughts and opinions. That it would do is put a foundational crack in the prestige of Vrangi and his lot. Mechanically something like
-5 Reputation with all Runesmiths for all but feuding with Thungi's heir. Reputation capped at 5 with all runesmiths not of your lineage

And he might even get abandoned by people in his lineage, the ones that are distant enough to get away with it.
 
DragonParadox said:
Pretty much yeah, the implication of being the heir is that the master approves of you and your direction. Your thoughts and opinions may not be better than his, but they sure as heck have more weight than a third party's interpretation of the master's thoughts and opinions. That it would do is put a foundational crack in the prestige of Vrangi and his lot. Mechanically something like
-5 Reputation with all Runesmiths for all but feuding with Thungi's heir. Reputation capped at 5 with all runesmiths not of your lineage

And he might even get abandoned by people in his lineage, the ones that are distant enough to get away with it.
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Well, Thungni told Snorri that judgement was deferred. Perhaps judgment was deferred until now, and if Snorri passes the trial he's judged competent enough to influence the direction of the cult/guild.
 
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[The wearer has increased bravery. They become generally aware of spells and items being used to negatively impact their mental state.]
 
Alratan said:
Well, Thungni told Snorri that judgement was deferred. Perhaps judgment was deferred until now, and if Snorri passes the trial he's judged competent enough to influence the direction of the cult/guild.
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Judgement deferred pending results. If Thugni sends a message titles, "Final Judgements RE: Khazagar" I assume it won't be until two generations after Snorri is no longer leading it.

The value of Khazagar as an institution cannot be judged until it can be judged standing on its own. Snorri still being involved is like trying to judge a balsa-wood tower's stability when the architect is on hand with glue and tape to patch any problems. That's not judging the object in question, that's judging the builder's ability to fix problems.

Khazagar will remain, I imagine, an open contention until Snorri's death or when he leaves it to Karstah and doesn't return to it again.
 
Cecylene said:
Judgement deferred pending results. If Thugni sends a message titles, "Final Judgements RE: Khazagar" I assume it won't be until two generations after Snorri is no longer leading it.
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What do generations mean to an immortal? Which to be clear Snori is, he can only die in battle. He could be alive to see the end of the world. Much as I hate the End Times for the sake of comparison Morathi did in canon and she is older than Snori having been born pre-Colapse when there was only one moon in the sky.
 
DragonParadox said:
What do generations mean to an immortal? Which to be clear Snori is, he can only die in battle. He could be alive to see the end of the world. Much as I hate the End Times for the sake of comparison Morathi did in canon and she is older than Snori having been born pre-Colapse when there was only one moon in the sky.
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Generations is usually referring to a cultural/species thing but an individual.

Or I suppose in this circumstance it's when Khazagar is passed down from Snorri (Gen 0) to Karstah (Gen 2) and then to Gen 3 leadership.

If Khazagar has collapsed as unsustainable, become a den of rule breaking like directly writing Runelore etc., been destroyed physically, or shown to provide no meaningfully long term gain for the investment and problems it caused then it's a failure. If after the third person who didn't learn from Snorri can avoid all those pitfalls then Khazagar the institution is a success. Otherwise it's just Snorri's very big workshop with pretensions.
 
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