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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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soulcake said:
Angkra's Challenge
Devise a Means of Creating a Prosthetic that grows with the user. Reveal and gain 2 Standing with Angkra Twenty-loops.
Angkra Twenty-loops has taken an interest in a curious northern invention, Prosthetic Runes. She has come into contact with Snerra of all people, and has been inspired by the young woman's vigorous efforts to develop something that can be used for beardlings and the like. A topic which has captured the daughter of Thungni's personal attention.
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I have been thinking how to approach this challenge, and have a few questions and suggestions.

I think Rune of Repair is a possible key to solving the challenge. The rune was noted to generate material by itself, albeit slowly, to repair items it's inscribed upon. This fits the problem of "growing with the user" quite neatly. As long as Snorri can make the rune to change the goal it "repairs" towards, this is the challenge mostly solved. Is this reasoning sound?

I have a few ideas how it can be done. The first is to combo or combine the Rune of Repair with Rune of Brotherhood. If Snorri can "hook up" repair function on information stream of how a body is supposed to work from surrounding dwarfs, it could be possible to adjust the blueprint of the prosthetic as the user grows out of it. Would not work with non-standard limbs like Jorri's arm and its hidden weaponry tho, but it's not much of a sacrifice.

Another idea is to try making prosthetics out of fresh wood, and exploit it being still "living" while already being an "item", to somehow combine runes of Repair and Healing. During research possibly using Snorri's Windsight to see how Ghyran interacts with Rune of Healing, and if it's possible to improve/modify its efficiency.

The third idea is to utilize the Rune of Valaya. Valaya understands the most about Dwarven body and is the Ancestor most closely associated with healing. And Rune of Repair was Valaya's gift in the first place. Perhaps there's enough metaphysical resonance between them to combine them.

Do you think these possibilities are good avenues for research? This can be used as going for the challenge directly, or for researching "Fixing of Things Pt.2".
 
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I think Rune of Repair is a possible key to solving the challenge. The rune was noted to generate material by itself, albeit slowly, to repair items it's inscribed upon. This fits the problem of "growing with the user" quite neatly. As long as Snorri can make the rune to change the goal it "repairs" towards, this is the challenge mostly solved. Is this reasoning sound?
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I think the problem here is that the rune of repair is very limited in a way that doesn't easily lend itself to expansion. We would probably need to start over from first principals, as we would need to do if we wanted a better rune of repair.

The runes we got from Valaya are awesome, but were limited in a way that means it would be more efficient to start over from scratch than it would be to try to increase their effect. While I can't guarantee that will hold for trying to modify the effect in a different direction I suspect it is the case as the rune is very... narrow.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by soulcake on Aug 21, 2023 at 11:05 PM, finished with 150 posts and 81 votes.
    • [X] Plan Father & Daughter Dragon Care
      -[X] Snorri & Karstah
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP
      --[X] Prod for Prod 1 AP
      ---[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt.1 2+1d3 Prods
      --[X] [Simple] An Even Better Smelter 2 Heir
      ---[X] Use 10 Bars of Adamant
      --[X] [Difficult] Simplify the Master Rune of Runic Amplification. 2 Snorri
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Snorri
      ---[X] Mizpal Zharr: This ring is a band of brightest white Adamant, and inserted into one half of the band is a wall of black flame carven from obsidian in such detail and cleverness that it appears to move. Hidden within the flames is the Master Rune of Expurgation, its glow making the obsidian fire seem to writhe with golden edges. Above this homage to Gazul's domain the other half of the band is inset with beaten gold that shimmers like Grungni's treasures, as if some bright land is hidden behind the wall of flames and shimmers through it. The Runes of Siphoning and Runic Amplification are hidden amidst this gold, empowering the runes with the might of the winds and the deeps. "All magic shall be fed into the Obsidian Flame."
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of Expurgation [T4 Voidstone], Rune of Runic Amplification [T4 Adamant], Rune of Siphoning [T4 Ancient Greedy Troll's Heart]
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      -[X] Retainers & Orders
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Heir
      ---[X] Add Waywalking. 1 Retainer
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Retainer
      --[X] Expedition Aiding Dorden 1 Retainer
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      ... and 4 more.
      [X] [Social:] Gloin
      [X] Plan Snorri, Yorri, Karstah's Riddle, Snorri's Drakks, Smelter Prep
      -[X] Snorri & Karstah
      --[X] Riddle pt 2. 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP + 1 Yorri Prod
      --[X] Prod for Prod 1 AP
      ---[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt.1 1+1d3 Prods
      --[X] [Simple] An Even Better Smelter 2 Heir
      ---[X] Use 10 Bars of Adamant
      --[X] [Difficult] Simplify the Master Rune of Runic Amplification. 2 Snorri
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Heir
      ---[X] Mizpal Zharr: This ring is a band of brightest white Adamant, and inserted into one half of the band is a wall of black flame carven from obsidian in such detail and cleverness that it appears to move. Hidden within the flames is the Master Rune of Expurgation, its glow making the obsidian fire seem to writhe with golden edges. Above this homage to Gazul's domain the other half of the band is inset with beaten gold that shimmers like Grungni's treasures, as if some bright land is hidden behind the wall of flames and shimmers through it. The Runes of Siphoning and Runic Amplification are hidden amidst this gold, empowering the runes with the might of the winds and the deeps. "All magic shall be fed into the Obsidian Flame."
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of Expurgation [T4 Voidstone], Rune of Runic Amplification [T4 Adamant], Rune of Siphoning [T4 Ancient Greedy Troll's Heart]
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      -[X] Retainers & Orders
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Retainer
      ---[X] Add Waywalking.
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 2 Retainer 1 Snorri
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      [X] [Social:] Fjolla
      [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Caledor [Standard]
      [X] [Social:] Skarri Dolgisson
      [X] [Social:] Lorna
      [X] Plan Father & Daughter Dragon Care (Now With More Dragons!)
      -[X] Snorri & Karstah
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri + 3 Heir AP
      --[X] Prod for Prod 1 AP
      ---[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt.1 2+1d3 Prods
      --[X] [Difficult] Simplify the Master Rune of Runic Amplification. 2 Snorri
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Snorri
      ---[X] Mizpal Zharr: This ring is a band of brightest white Adamant, and inserted into one half of the band is a wall of black flame carven from obsidian in such detail and cleverness that it appears to move. Hidden within the flames is the Master Rune of Expurgation, its glow making the obsidian fire seem to writhe with golden edges. Above this homage to Gazul's domain the other half of the band is inset with beaten gold that shimmers like Grungni's treasures, as if some bright land is hidden behind the wall of flames and shimmers through it. The Runes of Siphoning and Runic Amplification are hidden amidst this gold, empowering the runes with the might of the winds and the deeps. "All magic shall be fed into the Obsidian Flame."
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of Expurgation [T4 Voidstone], Rune of Runic Amplification [T4 Adamant], Rune of Siphoning [T4 Ancient Greedy Troll's Heart]
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      -[X] Retainers & Orders
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Heir
      ---[X] Add Waywalking. 1 Retainer
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 2 Retainer
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      [X] [Social:] Nain
      [X] Plan Loyal Shoulder Dragon
      - [X] Retainers
      -- [X] Way to the Stones: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Gain Progress to Monolith Mastery. The Elves intend to repair and if need be, restore the Monolith network across the peninsula. It won't happen for a while, with the trio needing to discuss and make agreements with individual Kings to go and do business on their land. However, you could benefit greatly regardless. While the Elves will no doubt be able to find the stones on their own, a complete map of the area's stone is always welcome, you should think.
      --- [X] Waywalking: [Cost: +2 retainer actions] Gain extra Progress to Monolith Mastery. For reasons unknown to you, the trio of Archmages have only a small group of Elven warriors to defend them. Providing them with Dwarfen guards and guides would not be remiss either.
      - [X] Karstah
      -- [X] Drakk Rearing [Cost: 2 heir actions]
      -- [X] [Simple] An Even Better Smelter: [Cost: 2 heir actions]
      - [X] Yorri
      -- [X] [Difficult] The Movement of Things Pt. 6b, The Body: [Cost: (18 -6) =12 actions] Master of the Odd and Mind for Constructs will proc. Continuing your work on the Rune of Waking Elements, you want the Rune to be able to form a body from almost any surrounding material. Realistically you doubt you can do that, but getting as close as possible is still the goal. At the very least you want these Elemental Gronti to mimic Mhorni's ability as closely as possible.
      --- [X] Prod Yorri: [Cost all prods] Gain 1d3+1 progress, can be taken multiple times without action input. Yorri doesn't say anything when you give him a questioning look.
      - [X] Snorri
      -- [X] March [Cost: 1 action]
      -- [X] Prod for Prod: [Cost: 1 action]
      -- [X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2: [Cost: 2 actions]
      -- [X] [Difficult] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action]
      --- [X] Drakkanrink (Loyal Dragon): Master Rune of Awakening (T4 Dronril if that can be ordered, if not T4 Storm Dragon's Heart*), Rune of Direction (T4 Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Brain), Rune of Loyalty (T4 Barazgal): A miniature, cat sized replica of a Storm Wyrm sculpted from adamant with dronril (thunder gem) eyes. Fashioned so that it has a hollow compartment inside its serpentine body so it has the same density as a dragon and has the space to carry rolled up scrolls which it can swallow on demand and deliver to a destination the owners directs. As well as serving as a messenger it's also designed to use its indestructible form and razor sharp fangs and claws to harass enemies on command. Additionally**:
      -- [X] Understand Master Rune of Valaya
      -- [X] Compress Hearthguard
      - [X] Orders
      -- [X] T4 Dronril if that can be ordered, if not T4 Storm Dragon's Heart
      --- [X] Expedite x3 -45 Favour
      [X] [Social:] Snorri Jollson
      [X] Plan War Dragons and Riddle with Coronation Banner
      -[X] Snorri & Karstah
      --[X] Riddle pt 2. 1 Snorri + 1 Heir + 1 Prod
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri + 2 Heir
      --[X] March 1 Snorri
      --[X] Prod for Prod 1 Snorri
      ---[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt.1 1+1d3 Prods
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Heir
      ---[X] Add Waywalking. 1 Retainer
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Snorri
      ---[X] Banner: A hollow pole of mundane metal rises and eventually forks out into an asymmetrical shape evoking the geometric shape of an anvil. Hanging from it by Gromril chains is an thin rectangular sheet of Adamant broader than than the structure it is attached to, it's bright colour contrasting with the darker other metals. Carved into the sheet is a scene from Smednir's past. A moment where he struck a week's worth of work by a minor hold's metalworkers with his hammer, turning it all back to ore in a single strike, before teaching them his way of working metal. The perspective has the viewer stand straight in front of him, with the firey act between them. Runes lie within the flames, above Smednir's head and below on the melting metal respectively.
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of the Giftgiver, Rune of Smednir, Rune of Annealing, use upgraded ingredients where available
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      -[X] Retainers & Orders
      --[X] Expedition Aiding Dorden 2 Retainer
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Nagarythe [Insightful]
      [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Avelorn [Extensive]
      [X] Plan Father & Daughter Riddle Study, Drakk Rearing and Instant Gronti
      -[X] Snorri & Karstah
      --[X] Riddle pt 2. 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP + 1 Yorri Prod
      --[X] Prod for Prod 1 AP
      ---[x] [Difficult] The Movement of Things Pt. 6b, The Body: 1+1d3 Prods
      --[x] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri + 2 Heir AP + 1 Retainer
      --[X] [Difficult] Simplify the Master Rune of Runic Amplification. 2 Snorri
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Snorri
      ---[X] Mizpal Zharr: This ring is a band of brightest white Adamant, and inserted into one half of the band is a wall of black flame carven from obsidian in such detail and cleverness that it appears to move. Hidden within the flames is the Master Rune of Expurgation, its glow making the obsidian fire seem to writhe with golden edges. Above this homage to Gazul's domain the other half of the band is inset with beaten gold that shimmers like Grungni's treasures, as if some bright land is hidden behind the wall of flames and shimmers through it. The Runes of Siphoning and Runic Amplification are hidden amidst this gold, empowering the runes with the might of the winds and the deeps. "All magic shall be fed into the Obsidian Flame."
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of Expurgation [T4 Voidstone], Rune of Runic Amplification [T4 Adamant], Rune of Siphoning [T4 Ancient Greedy Troll's Heart]
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      -[X] Retainers & Orders
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Heir
      ---[x] Add Waywalking 2 Retainer AP
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      [X] Plan Where the Dragon Hammer Falls, a Snorri and Karstah Story
      -[X] Snorri & Karstah
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP
      --[X] Riddle me This 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP
      --[X] [Simple] An Even Better Smelter 1 Heir
      ---[X] Use 10 Bars of Adamant
      --[X] [Difficult] Simplify the Master Rune of Runic Amplification. 2 Snorri
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Snorri
      ---[X] Mizpal Zharr: This ring is a band of brightest white Adamant, and inserted into one half of the band is a wall of black flame carven from obsidian in such detail and cleverness that it appears to move. Hidden within the flames is the Master Rune of Expurgation, its glow making the obsidian fire seem to writhe with golden edges. Above this homage to Gazul's domain the other half of the band is inset with beaten gold that shimmers like Grungni's treasures, as if some bright land is hidden behind the wall of flames and shimmers through it. The Runes of Siphoning and Runic Amplification are hidden amidst this gold, empowering the runes with the might of the winds and the deeps. "All magic shall be fed into the Obsidian Flame."
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of Expurgation [T4 Voidstone], Rune of Runic Amplification [T4 Adamant], Rune of Siphoning [T4 Ancient Greedy Troll's Heart]
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      -[X] Retainers & Orders
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Heir
      ---[X] Add Waywalking. 2 Retainer
      --[X] Expedition Aiding Dorden 1 Retainer
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      [X] Plan Marching to War, Riddle Study, and Instant Gronti
      [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Cothique [Extensive]
      [X] Doing Everything with Everyone, all at a Time
      [X] Plan Father & Daughter Riddle Study and Smelter Preparation
      [X] Doing Everything with Everyone, all at a Time
      --[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP + 1 Retainer
      --[X] Riddle pt 2. 1 Snorri + 1 Heir AP + 1 Yorri Prod
      --[X] Prod for Prod 1 Snorri AP
      ---[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt.1 1+1d3 Prods
      --[X] [Difficult] Simplify the Master Rune of Runic Amplification. 2 Snorri AP
      --[X] [Simple] Commission, Coronation Gift Pt.1 1 Heir AP
      ---[X] Mizpal Zharr: This ring is a band of brightest white Adamant, and inserted into one half of the band is a wall of black flame carven from obsidian in such detail and cleverness that it appears to move. Hidden within the flames is the Master Rune of Expurgation, its glow making the obsidian fire seem to writhe with golden edges. Above this homage to Gazul's domain the other half of the band is inset with beaten gold that shimmers like Grungni's treasures, as if some bright land is hidden behind the wall of flames and shimmers through it. The Runes of Siphoning and Runic Amplification are hidden amidst this gold, empowering the runes with the might of the winds and the deeps. "All magic shall be fed into the Obsidian Flame."
      ---[X] Combo: Master Rune of Expurgation [T4 Voidstone], Rune of Runic Amplification [T4 Adamant], Rune of Siphoning [T4 Ancient Greedy Troll's Heart]
      --[X] [Simple] Chimaera Autopsy 1 Research
      --[X] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Valaya. Instant
      --[X] [Difficult] Compress the Combo Hearthward. Instant
      --[X] Snorri's Challenge: Provide a rune or rune combo that has possibility of true killing daemons, with said rune or combo being teachable to master runesmiths. Understanding that this rune or rune combo would be taught at Khazagar. 0 Snorri
      --[X] Way to the Stones 1 Heir
      ---[X] Add Waywalking. 2 Retainer
      --[X] Order: T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood
      ---[X] Order Expedite 15 Dorden Favor
      [X] Plan Where the Hammer Falls, a Snorri and Karstah Story
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    • So, I'm curious, is there going to be enough juice in the Anvil to forge that Ring there when we get cracking on it? Or is Khaz a better choice to flex with?
     
    Being able to apply Heir Actions to any Request does open up some opportunities. Smelters are but the first among them.

    Edit: I mean, she won't finish the new Smelter in 2 Heir actions alone, but it should still give her progress on her Productivity trait.
     
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    catDreaming said:
    Being able to apply Heir Actions to any Request does open up some opportunities. Smelters are but the first among them.

    Edit: I mean, she won't finish the new Smelter in 2 Heir actions alone, but it should still give her progress on her Productivity trait.
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    Not just the Smelters. Designing items becomes easier for us now she can do it, because we no longer have to use one of Snorri's scarce AP into design, and instead focus it on research. The first of the Hearthguard banners likely will be designed and built by her for example.

    Her odd trait levelling up is also why finishing our material backlog in the coming turns is beginning to look very doable.
     
    SouvikKundu said:
    Is Rune of True Death even possible?
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    Yes. Warhammer has examples of True Death in its stories, and for this quest our Snorri has caused the true death of two daemonic entities; a Bloodletter that used to be part of the now Broken Band, and the Greedy One.

    Runes come from concepts and actions familiar to dwarven worldviews, and true death is one such concept.
     
    Also Gazul's big things are both protector of the dead and dealing true death on those that fate or the world demands not die.

    Which is why some of us are banking on developments based on a combo of Expurgation, Gazul's Flame, and Ancestor Rune of Gazul eventually leading us to a True Death rune or potential true death rune. Which will likely require being placed on a sword.
     
    I will say though, that Karstah's stress levels are going to skyrocket the first time Snorri asks her to design something for him to craft.
     
    I will say that Snorri should design and made the item and Karstah should design her own item and made it. Maybe it is not rule of pride thing, but I think it should be pride of Runelord that they should design and make item.
     
    Gabriel_TFA said:
    I will say that Snorri should design and made the item and Karstah should design her own item and made it. Maybe it is not rule of pride thing, but I think it should be pride of Runelord that they should design and make item.
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    At some point having Karstah make one Snorri designs may just be a good idea to make it very explicit that she is ready, in the way dwarves do.
     
    Byzantine said:
    At some point having Karstah make one Snorri designs may just be a good idea to make it very explicit that she is ready, in the way dwarves do.
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    This is something I'd like to do as well. One of the Hearthguard's banners is a good choice imo since a lot of their job is protecting her and she'll retain their services if Snorri ever dies.
     
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