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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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Doesn't matter to me, it helps us save up our AP for actually important stuff, rather than us needing to unnecessarily spend, an otherwise vital AP, on something as useful, as needing to complete 6 variants of a master rune, that we would just need for a combo to something that we want, with just 1 of those 6 variants. 'sides, We already have too many groups that want to many things already, so us just adding those things to a plan to Autocomplete, is honestly worth the effort, then us needing to delay it thanks to AP shortage.
 
So no one is going to make the obvious joke about the issue with the mountain clearly being the Western's Fault? I'm rather shocked I seem to be the first one to bring it up.

[X] [Where:] The Obsidian Fields
 
soulcake said:
On further reflection and screaming into the void I've decided that if your talents and specialties autocomplete it, then it autocompletes. Keeping a minimum action cost, even for the sake of narrative sense because they're still Master Runes after all, seems unnecessary since you've effectively done all the legwork beforehand. That and you guys already have enough on your plate. HOWEVER, the Understand option won't actually complete unless you guys actively choose to put it in your plans. Which I think is a fair enough compromise.

Inb4 you guys decide to choose like 5 autocompleting Understand options at once and really stretch belief but that's a problem for me to solve.
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Alright thanks. Do you have a passive rate of autocompleting understands that would be a reasonable problem for you. Because if the update got delayed because we decided to understand ten different complexity 0 runes it circles back around to being our problem. Like three a turn and try to keep them around a theme?

So plan people, can we add a Compress a Banner Combo to the list of ongoing priorities as that should take us to 8 Banner MRunes known. And next time we have a rune trade lets try and get 2-3 Engineering runes.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Alright thanks. Do you have a passive rate of autocompleting understands that would be a reasonable problem for you. Because if the update got delayed because we decided to understand ten different complexity 0 runes it circles back around to being our problem. Like three a turn and try to keep them around a theme?

So plan people, can we add a Compress a Banner Combo to the list of ongoing priorities as that should take us to 8 Banner MRunes known. And next time we have a rune trade lets try and get 2-3 Engineering runes.
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It'll come as it comes. If you seem to just put it there without any real interest vs you do it and then also put actions into making variants that will reflect. If you guys ended up doing a lot I may not write anything at all and just note it in the update or have a throwaway line. Idk yet because it hasn't happened yet.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Alright thanks. Do you have a passive rate of autocompleting understands that would be a reasonable problem for you. Because if the update got delayed because we decided to understand ten different complexity 0 runes it circles back around to being our problem. Like three a turn and try to keep them around a theme?

So plan people, can we add a Compress a Banner Combo to the list of ongoing priorities as that should take us to 8 Banner MRunes known. And next time we have a rune trade lets try and get 2-3 Engineering runes.
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Taking us to 8 Banner Master Runes known doesn't do anything by itself.

The Learned Master Runes/2 term is talking about related master runes, like how it worked in the old system. As an example for others, when understanding the Master Rune of Unyielding, the Learned Master Rune term is only looking for runes that are related to the Master Rune of Unyielding in what they do or are about.
 
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On a whim, a list of Master Runes that might be related to Mountainsouled. All are pulled from the Rune List informational post.
- Master Rune Of Grimnir: It's weapon effect allows the user to ignore all injury up until either their target is dead, or the bearer is actually slain. Banner effect grants will, martial prowess, and endurance.
- Master Rune Of Valaya: Armor effect slows onset of fatigue, heals minor wounds.
- Master Rune Of Gromril: Armor effect makes the armor nearly inviolate to battle damage.
- Master Rune Of Tireless: Armor effect makes the wearer tireless.
- Master Rune Of Unyielding: Obviously, it's part of the combo.
- Master Rune Of Triage: Prolongs survival, slows rate of bleeding and poisoning, strengthens vitality and willpower.

Given that compressed Mountainsoul would be Complexity 4, we'd be looking at... 1+2*(4) = 9 Actions to Compress, 4+4*(4) - 6/2 = 17 Actions to Understand it? Did I mess up my math somewhere? If not, well, it's a longer term project to actually understand it.
 
catDreaming said:
On a whim, a list of Master Runes that might be related to Mountainsouled. All are pulled from the Rune List informational post.
- Master Rune Of Grimnir: It's weapon effect allows the user to ignore all injury up until either their target is dead, or the bearer is actually slain. Banner effect grants will, martial prowess, and endurance.
- Master Rune Of Valaya: Armor effect slows onset of fatigue, heals minor wounds.
- Master Rune Of Gromril: Armor effect makes the armor nearly inviolate to battle damage.
- Master Rune Of Tireless: Armor effect makes the wearer tireless.
- Master Rune Of Unyielding: Obviously, it's part of the combo.
- Master Rune Of Triage: Prolongs survival, slows rate of bleeding and poisoning, strengthens vitality and willpower.

Given that compressed Mountainsoul would be Complexity 4, we'd be looking at... 1+2*(4) = 9 Actions to Compress, 4+4*(4) - 6/2 = 17 Actions to Understand it? Did I mess up my math somewhere? If not, well, it's a longer term project to actually understand it.
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If we Compress Mountainsouled we automatically achieve Understanding of the resulting Master Rune of Mountainsoul, so we don't have to do those 17 actions.

Its a long shot but Soul of the Earth or Master of the Odd traits may apply to compressing it (the others will not). Also our Mastered Esoteric/Odd specialty may reduce the Effective complexity to 1. But it's uncertain.

E: The worst case is that Compressing Mountainsouled will not proc any traits and so just take 9 actions raw. Best case is it only takes 3 progress and we can do it with 2 actions because a trait and our Esoteric/Odd specialty applies. But the worst case is just a range of three to four turns, which is similar to any of our other major research projects: for perspective it is something we could put on the 2 action side burner for three turns and then finish on the fourth with three actions.
 
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BungieONI said:
If we Compress Mountainsouled we automatically achieve Understanding of the resulting Master Rune of Mountainsoul, so we don't have to do those 17 actions.

Its a long shot but Soul of the Earth or Master of the Odd traits may apply to compressing it (the others will not). Also our Mastered Esoteric/Odd specialty may reduce the Effective complexity to 1. But it's uncertain.

E: The worst case is that Compressing Mountainsouled will not proc any traits and so just take 9 actions raw. Best case is it only takes 3 progress and we can do it with 2 actions because a trait and our Esoteric/Odd specialty applies. But the worst case is just a range of three to four turns, which is similar to any of our other major research projects: for perspective it is something we could put on the 2 action side burner for three turns and then finish on the fourth with three actions.
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I dunno, Mountainsouled Combo is kinda Odd and Bizzare.
 
BungieONI said:
Taking us to 8 Banner Master Runes known doesn't do anything by itself.

The Learned Master Runes/2 term is talking about related master runes, like how it worked in the old system. As an example for others, when understanding the Master Rune of Unyielding, the Learned Master Rune term is only looking for runes that are related to the Master Rune of Unyielding in what they do or are about.
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Is this secret discord clarifications here or was there a soulcake wog on the thread I missed. I'd assumed that dropping the "related" bit was a deliberate choice and the closely related stuff was picked up by this bit of the formula
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(Alternate Categories of Same Master Rune x2)
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You know, since we can't convert a MRune until after we've understood it, either directly or via compressing a combo.
Or do we have to re understand a converted rune?
 
Dark as Silver said:
You know, since we can't convert a MRune until after we've understood it, either directly or via compressing a combo.
Or do we have to re understand a converted rune?
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No I told bungie then fell asleep before I could post it here. Learned Master Runes in this case meant similar Master Runes you already know. Alternate Categories meant different variants of the same Rune. I've edited both terms to be clearer in the actual Turn Post. Apologies.
 
soulcake said:
No I told bungie then fell asleep before I could post it here. Learned Master Runes in this case meant similar Master Runes you already know. Alternate Categories meant different variants of the same Rune. I've edited both terms to be clearer in the actual Turn Post. Apologies.
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Thanks.
Okay, mind if I ask something new then?
Apart from the Ancestor runes and some odd rune trade situation like with all the MAwkenings. Can you think of an example of the sort of scenario are we likely to get alternates of a single MRune without first understanding it?
 
Dark as Silver said:
Thanks.
Okay, mind if I ask something new then?
Apart from the Ancestor runes and some odd rune trade situation like with all the MAwkenings. Can you think of an example of the sort of scenario are we likely to get alternates of a single MRune without first understanding it?
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Trades mostly, rarely you may get something from Research. The former's what happened with Awakening.
 
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    • darn, when will snorri finally get to take his vacation and have a spa day? where else will he find rune adjacent magma to exfoliate his skin with and take a warm bath in? his skin ain't gonna take care of itself you know? :V
     
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