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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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[x] [Where:] The Western Fault
Seems to be best use of Snorri's Soul of Earth perk. Also most interesting to me, not that I'd mind the others, the heat stuff seems like the most easily applied to other applications and the other one sounds like its going to proc Odd.
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Risk rises with Complexity
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Can we just clarify what risk entails here?
Risk of failure or actual physical risk as MRunes explode in Snorri's face?

Also is it only Understand that has a risk, or the risk applies to all MRune work as its not always possible to simplify Zor Dum into a basic Rune?
 
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I'm kind of worried that people are focusing more on the Runes/ideas we might get from an area rather than what could actually help with the issue, sure we might get some shinies from the other two areas but wouldn't it be better in the long run to apply Snorri's knowledge in an area he's uniquely suited for rather than focus on profiting off of the situation?

The locals knowledge likely outclasses our own when it comes to issues with the Western fault and while the Obsidian fields is a bit likelier to have something going on that Snorri could notice due to his esoteric focus Snorri is pretty much the only Dwarf here who could notice if something weirds going on at Magma fields involving magic or the waystone.
 
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Vilegrave said:
I'm kind of worried that people are focusing more on the Runes/ideas we might get from an area rather than what could actually help with the issue, sure we might get some shinies from the other two areas but wouldn't it be better in the long run to apply Snorri's knowledge in an area he's uniquely suited for rather than focus on profiting off of the situation?

The locals knowledge likely outclasses our own when it comes to issues with the Western fault and while the Obsidian fields is a bit likelier to have something going on that Snorri could notice due to his esoteric focus Snorri is pretty much the only Dwarf here who could notice if something weirds going on at Magma fields involving magic or the waystone.
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I don't think the waystone is available. Thats the central array?
 
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I don't think the waystone is available. Thats the central array?
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They apparently think it's connected to the Magma reservoir though.

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"Ah. Aye, the Central Array. Durin carved it with the aid of Thungni. Construction and methodology is utterly lost to us, but its a massive stone stele who's base apparently travels down all the way into the lowest parts of the Underdeep, we believe it draws on the heat of the Mantle and magma reservoir and converts it to power the rest of the Mountain's Arrays. Part of the reason this place can manage so many Runes of such potency. We have to pass it when we enter no matter what, so you'll get a chance to look at it regardless."
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So if there's an issue there they don't have the knowledge to realize what could be causing it or that it's even possible for it to be a problem, whereas Snorri does.
 
Vilegrave said:
They apparently think it's connected to the Magma reservoir though.



So if there's an issue there they don't have the knowledge to realize what could be causing it or that it's even possible for it to be a problem, whereas Snorri does.
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Its connected but it isn't the bit they're inspecting.
The waystone is the bit that converts heat to rune power, but they're inspecting the bit that is the life support system that keeps it within habitable temperature ranges.
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we believe it draws on the heat of the Mantle and magma reservoir and converts it to power the rest of the Mountain's Arrays
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soulcake said:
[ ] [Where:] The Magma Reservoir
Centered around the mouth of the Magma chamber, the main array here disperses most of the heat and is what allows the Middle and Upper deeps of Karag Dron to be habitable. Standard, if not for the sheer scale difference.
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Waystones are certainly not standard, and if you look at this quote:
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That sounds damningly familiar, but before you can delve too deeply into that thought Bogrin goes on to explain the other three areas that need to be checked on.
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So the three options we are picking from are explicitly not the dammingly familiar to a waystone components.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Its connected but it isn't the bit they're inspecting.
The waystone is the bit that converts heat to rune power, but they're inspecting the bit that is the life support system that keeps it within habitable temperature ranges.
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The fact that it's connected to it is the point, if there's anything going on with it then Snorri's the best person to notice or realize that it could be an issue.

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So the three options we are picking from are explicitly not the dammingly familiar to a waystone components.
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I never said it was a waystone in the magma reservoir, but the fact the reservoir is apparently directly connected to it means that if something is actually happening there then it could have knock on effects that the locals would have no context for.

Whether its the Skaven sneakily tossing Warpstone into the magma, the winds of magic acting slightly off as a precursor to the upcoming Slaan Ritual that will shatter the world or something as simple as a new project the local dwarves have started shifting things slightly the locals would have no idea that something like that could trickle down to the waystone and then start affecting everything else.
 
Vilegrave said:
The fact that it's connected to it is the point, if there's anything going on with it then Snorri's the best person to notice or realize that it could be an issue.



I never said it was a waystone in the magma reservoir, but the fact the reservoir is apparently directly connected to it means that if something is actually happening there then it could have knock on effects that the locals would have no context for.

Whether its the Skaven sneakily tossing Warpstone into the magma, the winds of magic acting slightly off as a precursor to the upcoming Slaan Ritual that will shatter the world or something as simple as a new project the local dwarves have started shifting things slightly the locals would have no idea that something like that could trickle down to the waystone and then start affecting everything else.
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Everything is connected to the Central Array, that's what makes it central... It manages power for all the other arrays.

Anyway, as far as your concerns go, we're one entire War of the Beard before either of those events occurring as far as I'm aware. Theres a whole lot of golden age before the time of woes, approximately 3000 years before Maz decides to rearange continents and the Skaven breach the underway.
And its not like Snorri would have context for those either so I'm not sure why you'd expect him to be able to spot those but the locals couldn't.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Everything is connected to the Central Array, that's what makes it central... It manages power for all the other arrays.
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Yes but unlike the other areas the Magma Reservoir is basically part of the Central Array's power generator, it's sending energy to the Central Array thats then distributed elsewhere rather than receiving energy.

It means that if anything effects the Magma Reservoir it has a chance of trickling down to the Central Array and then spreading elsewhere like an infection.

Dark as Silver said:
Anyway, as far as your concerns go, we're one entire War of the Beard before either of those events occurring as far as I'm aware. Theres a whole lot of golden age before the time of woes, approximately 3000 years before Maz decides to rearange continents and the Skaven breach the underway.
And its not like Snorri would have context for those either so I'm not sure why you'd expect him to be able to spot those but the locals couldn't.
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As for my concerns they were just examples of something i could see causing an issue if they happened as i don't have the best knowledge of things this far back in the WHF timeline rather than being meant to be taken as 'things we need to worry about right this second'.

Snorri doesn't have to have context for those future events, he has the ability to see magic to some degree, knows that it can effect things in ways dwarfs might not expect and also has at least a little knowledge of how Waystones work so he has the best chance of anyone of realizing something might be trickling down to the Central Array if he finds anything off at the Magma Reservoir.
 
Vilegrave said:
Yes but unlike the other areas the Magma Reservoir is basically part of the Central Array's power generator, it's sending energy to the Central Array thats then distributed elsewhere rather than receiving energy.

It means that if anything effects the Magma Reservoir it has a chance of trickling down to the Central Array and then spreading elsewhere like an infection.



As for my concerns they were just examples of something i could see causing an issue if they happened as i don't have the best knowledge of things this far back in the WHF timeline rather than being meant to be taken as 'things we need to worry about right this second'.

Snorri doesn't have to have context for those future events, he has the ability to see magic to some degree, knows that it can effect things in ways dwarfs might not expect and also has at least a little knowledge of how Waystones work so he has the best chance of anyone of realizing something might be trickling down to the Central Array if he finds anything off at the Magma Reservoir.
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We might have to agree to disagree here. We just seem to be talking past each other.

I think none of the options are more involved with the Central Array than the others because thats how I interpreted this:
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That sounds damningly familiar, but before you can delve too deeply into that thought Bogrin goes on to explain the other three areas that need to be checked on.
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Which seems to differentiate the waystone bits from any of the options, and this
soulcake said:
[ ] [Where:] The Magma Reservoir
Centered around the mouth of the Magma chamber, the main array here disperses most of the heat and is what allows the Middle and Upper deeps of Karag Dron to be habitable. Standard, if not for the sheer scale difference. One of the largest magma reservoirs and all that.
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Which describes the magma chamber array as standard except for the size, and a waystone based approach would be very not standard.

You think the magma chamber array involves the waystone because, conservation of narrative detail I guess? That soulcake wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't going to be an option and the Magma chamber vote option is the fewest degrees of separation, because they both involve heat, therefore its the one that involves the waystone?

I think I've explained my opinion and reasoning a couple of times now. I still don't quite grasp yours, so if you want to try and explain why the array must involve the waystone go ahead. But unless you can find the disconnect that is why we're failing to communicate, I think this will be my final post.
 
Dark as Silver said:
You think the magma chamber array involves the waystone because, conservation of narrative detail I guess? That soulcake wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't going to be an option and the Magma chamber vote option is the fewest degrees of separation, because they both involve heat, therefore its the one that involves the waystone?
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I mean the update literally mentions that the Central Array draws heat from the from the Magma Reservoir and converts it into power so it's not like i'm pulling this out of thin air, but yeah it seems like we're not going to agree on this so i'll drop it for now.
 
Something that's worth considering is that, looking at the map, there's a volcano in Norsca.

It's probably currently in fimir territory, but after they're defeated it might be something we can use.
 
Maybe.
Worth keeping in mind though a lot of this is already lost knowledge. Recreating it would be a hell of hard project, a lifetimes work for a legendary runesmith.

However its a long time in the future and that volcano is probably a lot easier to manage than Thunder Mountain, so it might be plausible by the time we're actually there.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Maybe.
Worth keeping in mind though a lot of this is already lost knowledge. Recreating it would be a hell of hard project, a lifetimes work for a legendary runesmith.

However its a long time in the future and that volcano is probably a lot easier to manage than Thunder Mountain, so it might be plausible by the time we're actually there.
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It's a shame that Snerra probably wouldn't be interested.

I wonder if she'll bcome part of the Brotherhood one day - I'm not sure if that's the kind of path she wants to walk.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Actually given this formula (and no minimum AP), as long as you know at least 8 MRunes of a category, you can learn all MRunes of complexity == your relevant trait talents for 0.
So assuming that our Talisman rank is 2, since we actually know 13 runes we should immediately learn all Talismanic runes of complexity 3 or lower.
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On further reflection and screaming into the void I've decided that if your talents and specialties autocomplete it, then it autocompletes. Keeping a minimum action cost, even for the sake of narrative sense because they're still Master Runes after all, seems unnecessary since you've effectively done all the legwork beforehand. That and you guys already have enough on your plate. HOWEVER, the Understand option won't actually complete unless you guys actively choose to put it in your plans. Which I think is a fair enough compromise.

Inb4 you guys decide to choose like 5 autocompleting Understand options at once and really stretch belief but that's a problem for me to solve.
#Mechanics #Runes
 
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