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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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I hope we get to see a post just telling what reaction the world has on Snorri's equipment. Especially the Runelords. It'll be great.
I mean we kinda did?
"We're well below even our most hopeful expected casualty rates," Gloin says, just a smidge of satisfaction leaking into his voice.

Many in the room look to you, some in appreciation and in the case of Lord Silverbrand, barely disguised disdain. You merely grunt and say nothing, content to let your silence speak for you.

"A great many doors have been opened aye." the monarch of Dorden admits, "The question is what we do with the windfall."
 
Was more hoping on the wide scale.
Snorri is a big fish(millennial runelord) in a small pond (the north).
There are at least two children of Thungni still around, and probably some more of his students active.

Remember round two of digging the underway? Snorri sent a Gronti to dig, while couple of runelords sent a mattockshovel and a pick... that were about as efficient.
Lemme dig that up
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- The Work of Grungnisson continues but it is buoyed now by the growing aid of Runelords of the Realms. From the far North a titan of stone and Gromril, forged by the hands of Klausson, and its attendants have spent a decade speeding up the progress by a notable degree. The thundering blows of the stone behemoth as its pickaxe sunders rock and dirt, ringing for miles in the cavernous paths dug beneath the world, serve as the inspiration and beat of many a mining song and appreciative chuffs by the work crews. The Northerners have certainly earned a goodly amount of respect for Dawi of so young a Hold. But it seems they now have competition! Not to be outdone by their young colleague, Rorek Forkedbeard and Heggabor Snarlinghelm of the Burudin have contributed their own works. The mighty Rune tools Sunderer and Shaper, a pickaxe and mattock forged of purest Gromril, have been bequeathed to two miners of Prince Whitebeard's choice. With but one of these tools in hand a single Dwarf can almost match the progress made by The Miner in a similar timespan. All three works together force the timetables to be advanced by an appreciable degree.
 
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Yeah. it really is my hope that if we work Rune Metal to the next tier, and find some good combo, we will craft something that will make even the grumbliest of Runelords in the Conclave go "Damn, son!"

I mean, the Chainmaker got most of the way there, but some ornery opposition remained (calling the master rune within in it an 'upjumped bastardization of a rune of Fire' or something along those lines).

Adamant itself is beyond vast majority of Runesmiths, but there is only so much you can compensate for with just higher quality ingredients when far more inherently talented people with a millenia more experience to boot in the South decide to really show off.
 
Is Vragni supposed to be our Arius? Do we have to slap him at the Rhunkalbrogg to solve this?
 
Is Vragni supposed to be our Arius? Do we have to slap him at the Rhunkalbrogg to solve this?
Hmm, I'm thinking more like our opposite side, where we are a radical in denial, Vragi is as close to a traditional as you can get without looking for more of the insular southern holds. So maybe, a closer one might be a Vegeta to our Goku.
 
Hmm, I'm thinking more like our opposite side, where we are a radical in denial, Vragi is as close to a traditional as you can get without looking for more of the insular southern holds. So maybe, a closer one might be a Vegeta to our Goku.
Umm, I'm not sure how you get the impression that Snorri is in denial. He seems very aware that he is a radical, and not even a normal Radical either.
 
Umm, I'm not sure how you get the impression that Snorri is in denial. He seems very aware that he is a radical, and not even a normal Radical either.
I remember it being that, because of how he never personally described himself as that. He would pick the best of what worked, rather then labeling himself as either radical or conservative. I haven't seem much that says on him saying he is a radical. He knows he does radical things (College), but anyone can do radical things, and still be a conservative. And vice-versa, especially when it is with Horry goats like runelords.
 
Vragi is as close to a traditional as you can get
I mean, he does follow the tenets, but he's abusing the hell out of the loopholes by having a whole pile of apprentices and slight rune variations to let him mass produce near identical things without violating the rule about unique rune combinations. So while he is significantly more traditional that Snorri and by extension the Northern community of runesmiths, I'm not sure I'd call him traditional by general standards

As for reactions to rolls and (spoilers):
People are saying this is the Greater Demon that escaped from the Meargh, and, I'm just kinda surprised Snorri wouldn't have brought that up last update? Like, I'm confused that he would have started looting the place before tracking down and murdering the demon. I guess the fight might have been chaotic enough for him to miss it slipping away? Hm.
 
I mean, he does follow the tenets, but he's abusing the hell out of the loopholes by having a whole pile of apprentices and slight rune variations to let him mass produce near identical things without violating the rule about unique rune combinations. So while he is significantly more traditional that Snorri and by extension the Northern community of runesmiths, I'm not sure I'd call him traditional by general standards

As for reactions to rolls and (spoilers):
People are saying this is the Greater Demon that escaped from the Meargh, and, I'm just kinda surprised Snorri wouldn't have brought that up last update? Like, I'm confused that he would have started looting the place before tracking down and murdering the demon. I guess the fight might have been chaotic enough for him to miss it slipping away? Hm.
It's why I called him conservative for a part of the far north. Anyone that comes from that place, is some version of radical, kinda like a mirror of Zorn actually. With either conservative, or HEAVY Conservative rune-communities.
 
I mean, he does follow the tenets, but he's abusing the hell out of the loopholes by having a whole pile of apprentices and slight rune variations to let him mass produce near identical things without violating the rule about unique rune combinations. So while he is significantly more traditional that Snorri and by extension the Northern community of runesmiths, I'm not sure I'd call him traditional by general standards

As for reactions to rolls and (spoilers):
People are saying this is the Greater Demon that escaped from the Meargh, and, I'm just kinda surprised Snorri wouldn't have brought that up last update? Like, I'm confused that he would have started looting the place before tracking down and murdering the demon. I guess the fight might have been chaotic enough for him to miss it slipping away? Hm.
Loopholes implies his behaviour wasn't a predictable or preferable response.
What he's doing may very well be precisely what Thungni wanted.

As to the spoiler, every one of these cities is owned by a different Meargh.
 
People are saying this is the Greater Demon that escaped from the Meargh, and, I'm just kinda surprised Snorri wouldn't have brought that up last update? Like, I'm confused that he would have started looting the place before tracking down and murdering the demon. I guess the fight might have been chaotic enough for him to miss it slipping away? Hm.
Every Fimir Clan has a Meargh leading it, if they don't they either disband or find a Meargh

Vragni follows the letter of the law, if arguably not the spirit depending on how you view things, because he believes that's what is expected of him and all Runesmiths by Thungni. Does he not expand the knowledge of Runecraft? Does he not discover, improve, and constantly evolve his craft? His work isn't just using the same Rune over and over as if he was some common stamp mould, nor is it all laterally moving with side grades, he would never allow it to be. There is a clear and steady progression as Vragni literally drags everything he knows up in increments to remain within the bounds of the Rule of Pride. Whereas Snorri is dragging specific things very high before moving on to other things. At least that's how Vragni would argue things.

Anyhoo #Rune-Ideas!

Oh hey, runes! I've had a few kicking around so here:

Master Rune of Igni Skyspite/Master Rune of Cloud Breaking (Engineering): Before the Brana had been discovered and joined in friendship with the Nothern Holds the sky had been the sole domain of enemies of the Dawi. Like many others Igni Skyspite developed his own runes for dealing with pesky airborne menaces. Projectiles fired from war machines explode into clouds of piercing shrapnel upon nearing enemies or upon reaching a set distance from the weapon as determined by its crew.

Master Rune of Flying Shocks (Engineering): Yet another creation of Igni Skyspite. Projectiles fired from war machines fire bolts of lighting against enemies within limited distance along its flight path.

Rune of "Az in hand" (Banner): Allies beneath the banner are found more difficult to disarm or lose their weapon in combat.

Rune of Pincushions (Banner): Hostile projectiles such as arrows and crossbow bolts are drawn to held shields, shields under banner take reduced projectile damage.

Master Rune of the Great Wall (Banner): When allies beneath the banner raise their shields in formation they project a directable wall of energy that scales with the size of the formation.
Igni Skyspite: Sort of already done by the future Master Rune of Starshower.
Flying Shocks: I like the idea, effect sort of changed to have the projectile slowed but in exchange, it also explodes in a shower of lightning when it lands. Future Rune.
Az in Hand: Added.
Pincushions: A neat idea. Added, seems like something Angkra would have made in her youth.
Great Wall: Name needs work but added, same as above.

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I missed these! Apologies.
Rune of Shattering: This rune was made for use with Grudge Throwers, to be used against unarmored and lightly armored foes. Upon impact, the stone shatters and flies apart with great speed and force, cutting down those too foolish or arrogant to equip themselves in proper armor.

So basically a rune to give a Grudge Thrower flak ammunition, mostly for dealing with Savage Orcs, Goblins, Beastmen, and if the War of Vengeance happens, elves, most of which don't wear particularly heavy armor. I don't know if a similar rune idea has come up before, so I apologize if someone already made something too similar.

#Rune-Ideas
Shattering: Already have Runes that do this I think? I can add it if I see nothing else that does it though. Thank you.
Rune of Proper Height (weapon): When activated any non-immediately lethal damage dealt to a foe is instead transferred to the enemies legs. Smashing knees and slashing ankles while showing the foe the hubris of being larger then proper dwarfy height.

Basically a rune to help dwarves lead up to a coup de grace on big or tough enemies by well smashing their legs out.
Proper Height: The name needs work, the effect is fine.

also a new one.
I've got some new Rune ideas, myself.

Rune of the Moat (Banner): When a banner bearing this Rune is planted to the earth, the ground in front of the banner in a line gains the consistency and structure of watery mud, causing enemies charging the Throng to trip, stumble, become partially submerged or even drown if heavy enough.

Rune of Gilded Fools (Weapon): Weapons and armour struck by a weapon bearing this Rune begin to turn as soft and pliable as gold.
Moat: added.
Gilded Fools: added.
 
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I've got some new Rune ideas, myself.

Rune of the Moat (Banner): When a banner bearing this Rune is planted to the earth, the ground in front of the banner in a line gains the consistency and structure of watery mud, causing enemies charging the Throng to trip, stumble, become partially submerged or even drown if heavy enough.

Rune of Gilded Fools (Weapon): Weapons and armour struck by a weapon bearing this Rune begin to turn as soft and pliable as gold.
 
Master Rune of Destruction: A glimmering purple-pink (or pink-purple) trail of energy and fire follows the weapon; and when it should strike, it kills, as surely as day becomes night and snow is white.

Master Rune of Derision: Flowing shadow and etched carving, bright hard symbol and filigreed knot, all seem to scream with every move their superiority, and the foe's inferiority. Some grow dissolute, others furious, but the one thing both have in common is that the skill seems to leave them.

Master Rune of Devastation: By the hatred of Runesmiths, the foe is unmade, unraveled, them and a few dozen of their closest friends. A ball of bright light the size of a man blasts out of the talisman, capable of turning hard metal to so much ash and unmaking flesh.

Master Rune of Deconsecration: The treasures of the enemy falter, fall, fail, as the banner with this Rune flutters overhead, their power crushed under the screaming fury and ceaseless hatred of the Ancestors for their kind and their wicked ways.

"Aye it's true, Loremaster. Those are some embarrassing names, from an embarrassing time. But I'd rather embarrass myself with a bad name than not turn good Runes to productive use."

#Rune-Ideas
 
Is there a Rune of Bone Breaking?

I thinking of a rune that bypasses hide and armor to break the bones underneath. Rather that killing outright, it is used to disable a foe first by breaking an arm or leg, then finishing it with a head shot or capturing it(like a troll for blood and body parts while it still lives). A limb is generally easier to target in a fight annd a broken leg will still take a combatant out of the fight. Also, by avoiding armor, enemies like the Fimir will be more vulnerable.

I like to think this rune would be made by one of the Runelords or masters that were part of the throng fighting the Firmir and thought of this as a way to take them down faster.
 
Is there a Rune of Bone Breaking?

I thinking of a rune that bypasses hide and armor to break the bones underneath. Rather that killing outright, it is used to disable a foe first by breaking an arm or leg, then finishing it with a head shot or capturing it(like a troll for blood and body parts while it still lives). A limb is generally easier to target in a fight annd a broken leg will still take a combatant out of the fight. Also, by avoiding armor, enemies like the Fimir will be more vulnerable.

I like to think this rune would be made by one of the Runelords or masters that were part of the throng fighting the Firmir and thought of this as a way to take them down faster.
IIRC yes, in the various player submitted weapon runes.

Went and checked and yep, right here:

Rune of Bonebreaking (Makes weapon slightly bypass flesh and armour, does extra damage to bone)
 
Depends. Them losing the ambush all on its own was bad, then 4 outlying cities that were thought to be secured, were found and then cracked open like rotten eggs. No matter how one's look at it, any of these things alone is bad, together, that is going to freak out everyone. And make them start doing something stupid.
 
Depends. Them losing the ambush all on its own was bad, then 4 outlying cities that were thought to be secured, were found and then cracked open like rotten eggs. No matter how one's look at it, any of these things alone is bad, together, that is going to freak out everyone. And make them start doing something stupid.
Well, two outlying cities at the moment anyway. We gotta take the Khornate and Nurglite cities still.
 
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