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[X] Plan Royalty and Royal Patronage
[X] Plan Royalty and Royal Patronage - Brother King Variant
[X] Plan No corpse, No Armoured Maidens, Aid Valayans - Brother King Variant
[X] Plan Royalty and Kittybirds - Brother King Variant
 
[X] Plan A Princess, A Future King, and Hopefully a Catbird

Let's get those commissions down, and get some Standing, as I'm quite curious how major cults will help us. 7/8 is the threshold, but we'll never get there if we don't chug along, and Valaya's cult already at 6.

Still value Gazul's cult commission more, but hey, armor's fuckin' neat as hell. The stuff is great and arguably more useful than weapons.
 
While we're at it, what sort of Runes would we put on the pickaxe that the Cult of Grungni wants? Would they be weapon runes?

Like, MGrungni, Brotherhood, and luck? It is definitely a long ways off before we even chose whether to do it, but I'm not really sure what we would do with it anyways.
 
I know, we should Understand MGrungni, I was just trying to think of what runes would work on a pickaxe.
Ah, sorry, just deleted that post due to wanting to re-elaborate on it.

We don't have Weapon!Mgrungni; only the regular Grungni.
Personally, I'd think something like Grungni (because it's for His Cult), Stone (due to its connection to Dawi and what the Cult of Grungni does), and a third Rune that's morale based, such as Stoicism or Determination, or a more mundane, combat-ish one like Cleaving (which IIRC was first placed on pickaxes).
 
Something like MCurrents + Cleaving + Might could be neat, hit hard and bite deep. Plus it'd work really well out of combat as well.
 
I've always thought the rune of penetration could be really good on a prying tool like a pickaxe. Smiting/penetration/grungni? Eh, maybe not - I don't immediately see it producing a combo. Definitely think something involving penetration would be the way to go though
 
My question is: What does a High Priest of Grungni DO with their pickaxe? And as such, how would we help 'em out with how to use said pickaxe?
 
Hmm... Grungni's main symbol is the pick, representing the implement with which he opened up the underground world to Dwarfs. Rune of Grungni, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Stone. To represent a High Priest of Grungni leading the Dawi to a brighter future.

Or something, I guess.
 
This may seem like a strange question but why exactly do people think its a good idea to add gromril chain mail to that religious commission or anything else at this time? You'd be handing them something that can only be repaired by santa dwarf or an ancestor god. That seems like something that shouldn't be done until other rune masters could service those things.

It also seems like kind of a company store policy of deploying something too awesome to use... and the other choice is go bother an ancestor god for maintenance. This just seems to fly against the idea of maximum usefulness of actions thing MC has going.
Because that isn't the context in play.

Once we finish 2b, we'll have created a method other runesmiths can use, which means our apprentices and anyone else we do trades with. Further, the step after Runesmiths is Metalsmiths and once we do that maintenance is basically a non-issue. And, in general, maintenance is not something we really have to worry about much in this quest.

Ah, sorry, just deleted that post due to wanting to re-elaborate on it.

We don't have Weapon!Mgrungni; only the regular Grungni.
Personally, I'd think something like Grungni (because it's for His Cult), Stone (due to its connection to Dawi and what the Cult of Grungni does), and a third Rune that's morale based, such as Stoicism or Determination, or a more mundane, combat-ish one like Cleaving (which IIRC was first placed on pickaxes).
Something like MCurrents + Cleaving + Might could be neat, hit hard and bite deep. Plus it'd work really well out of combat as well.
I've always thought the rune of penetration could be really good on a prying tool like a pickaxe. Smiting/penetration/grungni? Eh, maybe not - I don't immediately see it producing a combo. Definitely think something involving penetration would be the way to go though
My question is: What does a High Priest of Grungni DO with their pickaxe? And as such, how would we help 'em out with how to use said pickaxe?
To mosey myself into this conversation a Head Priest of Grungni is I guess kinda like an architect-miner-priest-legal adjudicator. I would absolutely expect that when a new major mineshaft is opened the Head Priest of Grungni, or at least a Priest if its a less important mineshaft, is there to strike the ritual first strike. Same for a hold, or other delving for inhabitation.

For runes on such a hypothetical thing I think Ancestor Rune of Grungni, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Might. I don't think any of the weapon master runes we have on hand quite capture what I'm going for here, which is the idea of a traditional and ritual piece which is still useful as a tool and thus a weapon since dwarves treat the concept of tool and weapon as very similar. So I asked myself what does a representative of Grungni need? They need a link back to Grungni with the ancestor rune, and the ancestor rune invokes his more crafterly side when the ancestor rune is used on a pickaxe since Grungni uses a hammer in his war aspect. Therefore it should improve craft of mining.

Cleaving is put on because of its history with mining. It is put on pickaxes and has been for an age, and that is because it cleaves through, pierces, hard surfaces like rock. Or armor, as when it is put on an axe. So Grungni and Cleaving together is the craft of mining to bite deep into rock and stone.

Might is to make the user strong. Strong enough to drive it into even the hardest stone or armor. So, the craft of mining is made to bite deep into even the hardest stone.
 
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Mmm, I suppose it makes sense too, since I was going for a discount narrative on Grungni the first Miner, whose legend is said to bring the living stone (dwarfs) to a new age.
 
So, what rune combo might hypothetically let Snorri be in more than one place at once? Inability to co-locate seems to be the hard cap on his productivity right now.
 
So, what rune combo might hypothetically let Snorri be in more than one place at once? Inability to co-locate seems to be the hard cap on his productivity right now.
omake idea
Snorri possession of a dwarf wearing a helmet with a master rune of snorri and brotherhood and awakening. yes i know that does not work its for omake
Snorri descends and possesses the dwarf granting him the skill
kinda like imagining druids channeling animal spirits for their power
except channeling their ancestors
 
omake idea
Snorri possession of a dwarf wearing a helmet with a master rune of snorri and brotherhood and awakening. yes i know that does not work its for omake
Snorri descends and possesses the dwarf granting him the skill
kinda like imagining druids channeling animal spirits for their power
except channeling their ancestors
To avoid confusion between the Master Rune of Snorri Klausson (Purification), we should call the other rune the Master Rune of Snorriness (Productivity)
 
(*Updated*)[ ] The Rune Metal Pt. 2b: [Cost: (14 -5) =9 actions] Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc. You can and now have done it, made Gromril chain and chainmaille. It required extremely unique circumstances and felt more a fluke than true success to you. No, you will not be satisfied unless you can create something any hypothetical Runesmith could do. Beyond that? Who knew.
knew should be knows, and that period might need to be a question mark.
 
Dunno why the elves would be pissed that we bought somethign they sold to us.

It's not like a dwarf sailed to ulthuan, stole several lion corpses and then sailed back solely to sell it.
 
To mosey myself into this conversation a Head Priest of Grungni is I guess kinda like an architect-miner-priest-legal adjudicator. I would absolutely expect that when a new major mineshaft is opened the Head Priest of Grungni, or at least a Priest if its a less important mineshaft, is there to strike the ritual first strike. Same for a hold, or other delving for inhabitation.

For runes on such a hypothetical thing I think Ancestor Rune of Grungni, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Might. I don't think any of the weapon master runes we have on hand quite capture what I'm going for here, which is the idea of a traditional and ritual piece which is still useful as a tool and thus a weapon since dwarves treat the concept of tool and weapon as very similar. So I asked myself what does a representative of Grungni need? They need a link back to Grungni with the ancestor rune, and the ancestor rune invokes his more crafterly side when the ancestor rune is used on a pickaxe since Grungni uses a hammer in his war aspect. Therefore it should improve craft of mining.

Cleaving is put on because of its history with mining. It is put on pickaxes and has been for an age, and that is because it cleaves through, pierces, hard surfaces like rock. Or armor, as when it is put on an axe. So Grungni and Cleaving together is the craft of mining to bite deep into rock and stone.

Might is to make the user strong. Strong enough to drive it into even the hardest stone or armor. So, the craft of mining is made to bite deep into even the hardest stone.
I quite like this idea but I do think we should check what the pick is going to be used for so:

@soulcake does Snorri know the main use the pickaxe in Skrundaz would be put to? Ceremonial? Mining? Combat? Mix of all three?
 
I quite like this idea but I do think we should check what the pick is going to be used for so:

@soulcake does Snorri know the main use the pickaxe in Skrundaz would be put to? Ceremonial? Mining? Combat? Mix of all three?
All three really. The most ceremonial uses of the pick in question would involve things you usually use a pickaxe for in the first place, and a pick that can break through rock can just as easily crack open a skull or suit of armour. :^)
 
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